For the last few days I've been trying to apply. I was able to get my FRN, but get a you do not have permission message when I try to apply for the license through the ULS during the day time. I've been able to get in a do a couple steps if I try late at night or early in the morning, but then get kicked again with the you do not have permission message. Anyone have any idea how to navigate the RR and Aircraft Station License applications at the moment?
Anyone trying to apply for their Restricted Radiotelephone operators?
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Craig
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No longer required if you stay domestic and operate VHF only. Go internationaly or fly for a carrier and you still need one. Not required anymore if you go into the ADIZ either.
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sounds like OP wants the operator side. I had to get one when I flew cargo, as we had a puerto rico base. Not sure why that was the justification to make all pilots get one, but... I don't know much about FCC rules and didn't care all the way over in Portland
Gilbert Buettner
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I have had one since 1969.
The text of his message indicates he wants both.sounds like OP wants the operator side. I had to get one when I flew cargo, as we had a puerto rico base. Not sure why that was the justification to make all pilots get one, but... I don't know much about FCC rules and didn't care all the way over in Portland
Plano Pilot
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After renewing the station license for our airplane, two years ago, I believed the FCC website was the worst government website I have ever used. I had hoped it would be better by now. I got my restricted radiotelephone license in 79, you just mailed in a card and the license was free.
Good luck.
Good luck.
ColinD
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That website makes IACRA look cutting-edge. I wouldn't be able to tell you how to navigate the process; thankfully, somebody on Reddit already has.
I had the thought that the website is what you would get if you had a developer make one who had never actually used the internet before. But the main problem I'm having is that I get a permission denied page either when I try to log in or part way through the application, and of course it doesn't save my info for the next try.
I noticed they are using java script which was so insecure it was scrapped long ago. I'm guessing the problem is DOS attacks.
Is it possible that no one asked to see it because you have one, and that info follows you when you file a flight plan?
Just an update to the FCC saga. I had the bright idea to see if there was a paper application I could fill out and mail. There is and I downloaded and printed the 30 pages of instructions and additional schedules. The instructions are hilarious till you realize that your tax money was wasted on such. One particular instruction that was not in triplicate that I also jumped over before filling out my application then looking for a mailing address was.... Electronic filing. Not filing electronically so no need to read those instructions. WRONG! Reading back through all the instructions about filling out the application looking for an address. I read those instructions, and it informs you that you MUST file electronically. My laughter turned into sobbing. The site continues to be inaccessible, BUT in those schedules was a temporary license that I was instructed to issue to myself and keep in the plane till I get my regular license. Hmmm.
Remember, with federal government contracts they go to the lowest bidder....
I guess you never fly to or plan to fly to Canada, Mexico, Bahamas, etc. Or fly along the boarder where you may need to talk to Canadian ATC or maybe some Tower you want to transition their airspace.
The Aircraft Radio Station License is no longer required when talking to radio stations **IN** the US. But if you travel to or talk to a foreign ground stations, it is required. Now is someone going to check on it, probably not... unless for some reason they think (true or not) something is up and need an excuse to dig deeper.
Is this a new or experimental aircraft? Or has the N# changed? If not, try and get a replacement license vs a new one. Depending how old the plane is, a Radio Station License probably came with it when it was new so you can renew it if you can get a copy of the old one. Maybe it is even still current if the last owner (assuming not a new plane) kept it up to date.
Now I need to go make sure the renewal notice is still somewhere in my calendar. Don't remember when the last time I updated it, so it's probably coming up soon.
Lindberg
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People joke about that. And reality would be less sad if that were true.
So I talked to an IT lady at the FCC. She was very good at her job which was a bit of a surprise. We tried a few things with my browser which is firefox. Oddly they recommend using Firefox or Chrome. She also sent an email with procedures to enable java in my browser. I guess that is when the NSA installed their backdoor, but anyhoo. I tried using Chrome which was taking so long to load the page I ditched it. Went with another of their recommendations to use incognito mode on Firefox, and again was taking forever to load. Went out, and came back 15 min later and the page had loaded. The 15 min load time happened several times, and sometimes I would get a new error message instead of the page denied message in noncognito mode. I kept plugging at it, and it would save my progress when it errored out. I submitted it, and now if I check my FRN under "Red Light Status" it says "Green Light"! So there you go! I think next week I should get an email with my RR license. Now for the planes station license, but I'm going to have to find some more wherewithal first.
My favorite feature of my FCC licenses is after it spit them out of ULS as a PDF file, they were watermarked "Original Copy." For jollies, I clicked on the "request copy" link and it gave me a PDF watermarked "Duplicate Copy." Of course, I can have as many Originals as I want as long as I don't lose the PDF file (or I make some trivial change to the licesnse to cause a new original to be made).
Of course, the FAA finally got over the stupid paper NCR bills of sale and registrations. My Airworthiness Certificate came issued as a PDF file from the local FSDO. I can print as many of those as I like.
Of course, the FAA finally got over the stupid paper NCR bills of sale and registrations. My Airworthiness Certificate came issued as a PDF file from the local FSDO. I can print as many of those as I like.
The requirement also applies to non-VHF communication to even US stations (on the odd chance you've got an HF radio you need to use).
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The radio station license is issued to the owner of the station, so it wouldn’t follow a sale.
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Many of us do. Many airlines will check you have it before you get hired.
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MauleSkinner
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That would be the Operator license, not the Station license.
Yeah, I was just thinking there may be a fix by going through the transfer of the old license. But thinking about it, they probably don't do it that way.
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FWIW, back in the 90s the engineer for a local AM station in this area got an FCC license to operate the station for their mascot dog. Not kidding. To be fair, it was a pretty smart dog.
A friend tells the story of one of his roommates in college that registered one of the other roommate's cat for a number of classes. He was a computer science major that was working for the college at the same time.
All was going well, with an ID card and everything, until... The college started looking for Mr. Kitty when he wasn't paying his tuition. Somehow Mr. Kitty magically went missing from the records shortly after that and the story was spread that it was a system test that they forgot to remove.
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They should have gotten Mr. Kitty some scholarships to pay tuition? I mean, with his GPA and ACT scores.......All was going well, with an ID card and everything, until... The college started looking for Mr. Kitty when he wasn't paying his tuition. Somehow Mr. Kitty some how magically went missing from the records shortly after that and the story was spread that it was a system test that they forgot to remove.
Huh? Operators license, maybe. Station licenses go with the plane (or the fleet in my case, our club had a fleet license).
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I have never had an operator's or station license and living 65 nm from the Canadian border I've flown into Canada many times. Never been asked for any sort of radio license. In the past, Canadian customs rarely met me personally. Just a phone call and an entry authorization number cleared me through customs. Now, admittedly, I've not flown into Canada for a decade, ever since I switched to Basic Med.
I am not advocating anyone violate FCC/ITU/ICAO regs. I am simply relating my personal experience. Perhaps US and Canadian diligence has increased in verifying possession of an aircraft station license since I last crossed the Canadian/USA border.
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Again, the exemption from needing the licenses are for VHF domestic use. Now, yes, nobody has asked for mine either, but nobody asked for proof of my flight review and annual inspection until I ended up in a field after my engine handgrenaded.
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I used to work with a [childless] guy who said he claimed his dog as a dependent on his taxes. Kind of guy he was, it just might have been true.
Back when I worked on an Army base, it was required to designate a Terminal Area Security Officer for all computers/terminals. At the base that was not a problem. But we were required to declare one for our take-home devices. My division chief used his dog ("Beagle Reed") as his.
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Or alternatively, a higher bidder who has cut a deal with the bureaucrat in charge of the funding for the project.
Not uncommon on all counts from what I've heard too. They typically don't check. Hmmm... pending how ****ed they get with us... They typically haven't check in the past!!!
But now you know you can get dinged on the Restricted Radio License, Aircraft Station License and the Basic Med, if they so choose to.
Update on the station license. The ULS system worked without a hitch. I did use Firefox's incognito mode, but there were no long delays and errors like I had when applying for the radiotelephone license. I did have a guide to go by. I couldn't find a date on the guide, but it must have been dated and inaccurate. The guide said the fee was $85, but I paid $135. The guide said to choose SA for the type, but that designation was all about boats. I chose AC for aircraft, and was reassured when I had a spot to put my planes tail number. You will need your FRN from CORES before applying, but my radio equipment was not asked about as the guide suggested.