AME contacted the FAA to "warn" them about me!

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  1. flyingcheesehead

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    OP was going to visit AME #1 the second time, and that's when AME 1 screwed him over. Dr. B was the 2nd AME.

    And then, yes, I necroposted because I heard a second story about AME #1 really inappropriately screwing with someone.
     
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    I am currently going through the same thing but am not sure if it's the same AME because I never caught the name of him before your post was edited. Is there a way I can reach you or message with you to find out?
     
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    Figures... Same guy. Thank you for your help.
     
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    Jeez. Again!?!?!?! What did he do this time?
     
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    Thanks for your feedback ,all of you. This guy is totally unprofessional and vindictive. He was rude, unprofessional and arrogant during an exam and I believe that he has been blocking and obstructing my medical like the person in the beginning of this thread, all because I was late to the appointment(for good reasons) and according to this quack, I failed to follow pre visit instructions and use Med Xpress. He even states that in my medical exam report. He's that arrogant that it shows this is all personal with him. I am currently involving my elected representatives and filing a complaint on him with the FAA and possibly the State of Wisconsin. I urge anyone that has had any type of problems with this AME Jakubaitis to contact me with information that would be helpful. He already has established a pattern of poor medical behavior that needs to be addressed. Thank You.
     
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    Not sure which case you're talking about - but my take is that the AMEs mentioned here clearly did not know what they were talking about. I think I read about two different ones who "told on" a pilot and claimed they had a condition that the pilot did not have. That's not the pilot doing something wrong, it's the AME being arrogant and assuming they "know" that the pilot is "hiding" something.

    I can imagine a similar situation for me if I lost more weight and then went back for a regular medical. "But it says here you have T2 diabetes. What medicine are you taking". Well, I've lost weight and with diet, I do not need medicine anymore. Next the doctor would assume that I must be lying and inform the FAA that I'm hiding medication, when in fact...if I lost enough weight and ate well, I could probably get A1C scores below 5 without medicine. So what does the AME "know" and how much trouble is he causing by making false official statements?
     
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    Quite the prevarication. I simply made a statement about what an AME does and why a second opinion is not a normal thing for an FAA medical cert. An AME may error the same way a DPE may error. Ya don’t get a second opinion either way. Ya pick up the pieces and move on.
     
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    Maybe he's just on a power trip.
    If he lied in a report to the FAA that is falsification of documentation, at least in some fashion, which may be punishable.
    I'd also agree that if you did not contract his services he shouldn't be involved in your business.
    A letter from an attorney was my first reaction too, but that may only serve to stir the hornets nest even more, and you've already seen he is willing to cause you grief.
    I'd be super angry too though. What a dick.
     
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    It seems that my post was a bit prophetic. vvvvvv

     
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    Thanks for all of your input. It seems that the problems with this AME have been resolved and now I just need to get another exam. Can anyone recommend a good AME who treats pilots decent and that you have had good results with ? Someone no further north than Oshkosh to no further south than Waukesha .
     
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    We know of a really good one not far from Chicago
     
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    That’d be @flyingcheesehead territory... Kent?
     
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    Man am I glad I switched AMEs from this guy. What a jerk.
     
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    Hard to believe a guy like this exist.

    Years ago an AME messed up my EKG and the FAA removed him from doing medicals. And doing medicals was the main part of his business.
     
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    "I failed to follow pre visit instructions and use Med Xpress"

    Well why did you (not) do that?
     
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    It was not the case. Anyway, If anyone can recommend a pilot friendly AME within an hour of the Milwaukee area, I'd appreciate it. Netsurfr do you have anyone to recommend?
     
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    I can recommend my guy if you're willing to drive to Elgin in the NW suburbs of Chicago. A lot of airline guys use him. He has an appropriately big picture. I drive there from NW Indiana.
     
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    Thanks tspatrick, that might be a little bit of a stretch for me driving, but I'm not ruling it out.
     
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    here in the dallas area one of my friends a real nice guy even a QB member went to see his AME
    who found high blood pressure. My friend told him that every time he sees someone on a white coat his BP goes way up. She AME told him to come back one week later, same issue high BP, told to return a third time guess what? high BP so the AME reported him to the FAA
    what an a*****hole
    instead i sent him to my friendly Dr. Bob who on the first visit treated his bp which controlled his blood pressure and on his second visit sign him out but had to fight the rejection from the FAA that originated from the first AME
    just beware where you go to get your exam.
     
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    So basically, your friend knew he had high BP, was told twice by the AME to come back in a week but never sought treatment before going back for the third time. The AME could have and really should have shut him down on visit #1 but chose to have him return thereby giving him a break, not once but twice, probably hoping he would get it under control. Sounds like the AME tried to help. Your friend acted foolishly. And you call that AME an a**hole? Actually, you typed a*****hole, not sure what that means. Normally, you replace each letter with one asterisk. I'm not sure what the extra three asterisks are for. Your friend got what he deserved.
     
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    I see both of your points of view, However this seems to be a different situation than what we are discussing on this thread and these complaints involve one single AME . Anyone with a good AME recommendation in the SE Wisconsin area?
     
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    That might be a little harsh, depending on what the poster you responded to meant by "reported him to the FAA". He also said only that he "went to see his AME". There is some information missing there. If he went for a 3rd (or higher) class exam, then he may not understand that once the exam "goes live" and the AME enters the MedXPress code into the system, he has no choice but to issue, defer, or deny. If the AME simply sent in the exam, and that's how the FAA learned of the condition, then he was just doing his job. On the other hand, if he was there for a consultation (many pilots do this, to avoid the jeopardy of a formal exam if they may have disqualifying issues in their medical history) and the AME communicated with FAA outside the bounds of the consultation, particularly over something like a high BP reading, then I tend to agree with the poster that the AME was probably out of line. But even then, it depends on how high the reading was and what else transpired during the exam. In short, the AME may just have been doing his job, or it might have been egregious on the AME's part, really not enough information to say for sure.
     
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    Azure, I have to agree with you. Sounded like the pilot has "White coat Fever" at first but if He's on meds than maybe not. I wonder what his BP is like on meds without the presence of a formal medical exam. Just out of curiosity, I'm not in the medical field myself.
     
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    my friend did not get what he deserved. I am a surgeon and I do not treat hypertension. I see patients in my office that are not aware of having hypertension. They come to see me for unrelated issues like an aortic aneurysm. My duty is to advise the patient that hypertension is present, the next question is "are you on bp meds?" if the answer is no I send them to see an internal medicine specialist for control of BP. As a AME his duty as a physician is to ask if the pilot is on therapy (my friend was not aware of having HBP) and instead just told him to come back next week. An AME
    is a doctor first and AME second. His duty is to the patient. I don't believe in white coat syndrome. His BP was moderately elevated and normalized once a second AME (a real doctor this time) simply advised the patient to be on therapy and actually prescribed the medication that resolved the issue. The first AME is still an a****hole in my book. And my friend did not deserve that treatment from a physician no matter if he is an AME or not.
     
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    Magyarflyer, one thing you might be missing is that if a pilot goes in for a formal flight physical, i.e. to get a Class 3, 2, or 1 med certificate, then during that visit the pilot is NOT the AME's patient, and the doctor is under no obligation to provide health care - I'm not certain, but it may even be against the rules for him to do so. During a flight physical exam the AME's responsibility is to determine if the pilot meets the requirements for the class of med certificate he is applying for, period. If he is not qualified, on that day, then the AME's options are limited. I'm happy that your friend was able to find an AME who prescribed HTN meds for him, got him stabilized, and was able to resolve the issue. But if (again, IF) your friend was at the first AME's office for a flight physical, the only thing your post implies is that the AME is PERHAPS less pilot friendly than the cream of the crop caliber AMEs most of us seek out, and I'd really want to hear the AME's side of this before indicting him as an a--hole. Nothing you have posted so far implies that the first AME was out of line or acted in any way contrary to his duties as an examiner. If there is more information and you want us to agree with you, you'll need to post it. If you can't or won't for confidentiality or privacy reasons, that's fine too - but don't expect everyone here to take your word for it that the AME acted inappropriately when you haven't given us everything we need to know to draw that conclusion.
     
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    My last couple I've used Douglas Brown in Brookfield. He's not a pilot, and I don't have any health issues or SIs to deal with so I have an easy medical, but he seems to do just fine - He properly checks all the boxes and doesn't go looking for trouble elsewhere, which is pretty much how it ought to be.
     
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    You could file a complaint with your states medical association... I don't know if it would do much, but if there are some other complaints against him this may raise a flag with them.. or at the least this may cause him the same aggravation he caused you....

    In the end, as you say everything is fine, and this MD lost a patient... let the dog sleep and go enjoy...
     
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    My previous AME was also my primary doctor. Seemed to work better that way to me. There were a couple times he would advise me, you need to get this changed or done or taken care of before your next medical.
     
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    As far as I am concerned he was the best. He was not only my doctor and AME he was a friend.

    I was in his office once and he grabbed a book off his shelf and handed it to me. I opened it and there was a hand written note one the first page specifically naming my AME, signed by Wernher von Braun.

    Darn him for passing away....
     
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    How is the AME less pilot friendly if he gave the applicant a couple of opportunities to come back and retest? The AME did not bust the guy on the first visit nor on the second but on the third. Seems like the AME was being very pilot friendly. On the other hand, the applicant knew he had BP issues as he told the AME on the first visit that his BP went up every time he saw someone in a white coat. In other words, every time he goes to the doctor, his BP is high. Guess what? It is probably high all the time and he knew it. He then failed to do anything about it before going back to the AME two more times. He should have gone to his primary doctor and sought treatment for his BP. He was practically asking to be denied.
     
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    It all depends on exactly what was said during the exam - that's why I said the AME was PERHAPS less pilot friendly than the best AMEs, with emphasis on PERHAPS. And that's if, as was stated, the AME just told him to come back without doing anything specific about his BP issue. Also, if it is indeed allowed by the rules (and I still don't know whether it is or not DURING A FLIGHT PHYSICAL - it obviously is during a consult or other non-flight-physical office visit), the AME could have prescribed BP meds for him and given him the option of coming back to get checked outside of the parameters of an FAA exam. Or he could have offered to do that in a separate visit, if that's what the rules would require. The very best AMEs would have found a way to do that, even if they were ultimately forced to send in an exam with a deferral. It doesn't sound like this AME did or tried to do any of that - but again, it's not clear based on the posted info exactly what happened.

    And I really think you're being overly harsh saying that the pilot was "practically asking to be denied". All of us here have some idea of how the system works because of information resources like this board, but many pilots are completely ignorant of how the system works, and aren't aware that this board, the AOPA medical information web pages, and similar resources even exist.
     
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    Well, good news - I needed to find a new AME today, and he's no longer on the FAA's list. Good riddance.
     
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    Wow! Seems like A TON of bad reviews from other pilots who ran into exactly the same issue I posted about. Glad he's out of the AME business!
     
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