I’m not going to try and get you to understand. It has proven to be difficult with you regardless of the topic. I fly the airbus.
True, but I doubt a small operator will have electronic flight manuals with the sophisticated hyperlinking that we have just recently achieved at the largest airlines.
I've flown both the DC8 and DC9 and those checklists weren't any shorter than what we have now. They were less well organized, too.
I flew the 727 so I have some limited experience with older equipment as well. I don’t disagree with anything you have said. The key point to what you posted is follow the methodical procedures unless you shouldn’t. I’m talking about a trend that I have seen to leave out the unless you shouldn’t part.
Kinda depends on the ride. My car has a touch screen to control most features (radio, etc.) and it can be tough to work on anything but smooth roads.
It’s not just the transfer to electrons, though. Some of the older airplanes’ checklists would have to be dramatically changed/improved to make an electronic version more user-friendly. We’ve got checklists that refer to two other checklists before the primary checklist is complete...the electronic version doesn’t allow you to keep your finger in the primary checklist to remind you to go back and finish it.
Which also implies that they didn’t grab the PFDs that I would assume are in reach.
I was also not implying that they should. Just reinforcing that if it’s not on you, it may not make it out with you. That eventuality needs to be part of the plan.
Since they’re in a sealed pouch, I don’t know if my employer would be too fond of me “breaking the seal” on every new life vest I fly with to don it on the off chance that that’s the day I’m going to lose both motors and end up in the drink.
Again, not anything I’m suggesting.
I bet it would be quite the topic of conversation among passengers who happen to catch a glimpse of flight crew so attired.
I bet it would be quite the topic of conversation among passengers who happen to catch a glimpse of flight crew so attired.
Lol. My biggest concern will be if I'm going to have time to change out of my flying pajamas into my uniform before I get into the raft.Fortunately he had the foresight to fly for a company where that's not an issue.
It's even easier than that. The ECL we use is embedded in the airplane, not part of a separate iPad/tablet app. It's really well thought out, and there's no need to mark places in checklists because the checklist will automatically ensure you do the correct steps, even if there's checklists to jump around. It does all the jumping forward and back for you. I'm usually a skeptic when it comes to electronic replacing paper (you should see our new electronic maintenance log... its a PITA compared to just the old book), but using an ECL, I never want to go back to a paper QRH (we do still have to keep paper QRHs on board, just in case).It’s not just the transfer to electrons, though. Some of the older airplanes’ checklists would have to be dramatically changed/improved to make an electronic version more user-friendly. We’ve got checklists that refer to two other checklists before the primary checklist is complete...the electronic version doesn’t allow you to keep your finger in the primary checklist to remind you to go back and finish it.
The vests are in a seal pouch in each pilot's seatback.
Exactly my point.
Apparently there’s not a problem, so there’s no need for a solution.
100%
It is part of the plan. The plan is to grab them on the way out of the airplane and put them on and inflate them. Other than wearing them, I don’t know what else I’d be expected to do.
What we’re talking about here is the risk/impact matrix.
Ok. I’m sorry. I’m not understanding what you’re trying to get at.
To me, it seems like you’re insinuating that if you’re not wearing your PFD (“not on your person”), it’s useless (“camping gear”). So I’m asking if you’re advocating wearing your PFD on an overwater flight in a turbojet aircraft so it doesn’t become “camping gear” if you have to dish.
In the paper QRH that we are required to have on board. (Also have copies electronically on our iPads)
For most modern transport aircraft, a complete loss of electrical power would most likely be accompanied by the loss of both wings and probably the tail section where the APU lives. So the checklist would be really short.
You are missing the fact that I insinuated nothing, I merely stated that it appears to me they got out of the airplane without survival gear that wasn’t attached to their bodies, which therefore was useless to them, just like all those other people said.
Yeah, I only know of one. But none of that other stuff happened. They just continued to (appropriately for this thread) Honolulu.
My approach was to climb high enough to stay within gliding distance of the shore.
Same here.. at least I try
I was referring to the loss of dexterity with no protective clothing.. most people will be wearing a pair of shorts with a t-shirt for that trip. Once you start losing dexterity and your arms go numb it will be very hard to keep your head above water and cling to any floating debris that might be there
You don't need a lot of dexterity to wrap your arms around something. And none if you are wearing a PFD. If anything, the lesson here is that wearing a PFD could take your survival time from minutes to hours or days.
I'm not in the Coast Guard, but I'll bet if the current is 1 to 3 knots, then 40 hours after the crash, they won't be searching at the spot where it went down.
Although I didn't spell it out, what I had in mind when I asked the question was whether a life jacket would be sufficient. Because of the uncertainty surrounding that issue, I would try to fly high enough to glide to a shoreline even if I were wearing one.
