Just Quit Training

[TMetzinger]

Yeah, but which one is more fun?

Aviation.

I never knew you had experience with 8-balls and hookers. Learn something new every day. Was this in or near the dark alley you mentioned once or twice?

I had no doubts about Hennings range of experience.

 

[N801BH]

I never knew you had experience with 8-balls and hookers. Learn something new every day. Was this in or near the dark alley you mentioned once or twice?

I had no doubts about Hennings range of experience.

What the heck is a 8 ball??

Secret Service clearly knows what hookers are..

 

[AirDC]

What the heck is a 8 ball??

 

[Tracey]

I never knew you had experience with 8-balls and hookers. Learn something new every day.

Busted!

(I just learned what an 8 ball was from the elephants. And dark alleys? You don't want to meet me in one... I'm intimidating and mean. ).

 

[Henning]

I never knew you had experience with 8-balls and hookers. Learn something new every day. Was this in or near the dark alley you mentioned once or twice?

I had no doubts about Hennings range of experience.

8 balls and hookers are accoutrements of the middle and upper classes, never know who you'll meet at a swingers bash, it's not like Penthouse Forums makes it out lol. A 20 rock and a crack whore is what it is for the less erudite. Regardless the class and category of humanity, 80% will be involved with sex as a drug along with natures historic biggies, Alcohol, cannabis product, coca product, and opium poppy product. These along with hallucinogenic alkaloids have always been part of human culture, and may very well be vital to human evolution. We deny these to the public while pushing manufactured pharmaceuticals with a litany of horrible side effects to replace these 'evil drugs of nature'. Just doesn't make sense from any but the Wall Street view.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

We deny these to the public while pushing manufactured pharmaceuticals with a litany of horrible side effects to replace these 'evil drugs of nature'. Just doesn't make sense from any but the Wall Street view.

Doesn't make sense to someone who doesn't know the science involved either.

 

[TMetzinger]

All I know about drugs I learned from watching others, usually watching them behave in stupid or self-destructive ways.

All I know about hookers comes from St. Elmo's Fire:


HOOKER
Hey, secret love, you want a date
tonight?

KEVIN
What would you say the meaning of
life is?

HOOKER
Got fifty bucks? I'll show you
the meaning of life.

KEVIN
I don't pay for sex.

HOOKER
Oh, you think if you get some
girlfriend, or maybe a wife, you
ain't gonna pay? Oh, you'll pay
. but you won't ever be sure
you're gonna get it. Now with me,
you pay, but you get it, and you
get it good!

 

[Jim Logajan]

I got a polite private message today from the original poster in response to my own private message to him that I had sent some time back.

For those interested, he is working on his ground studies and has every intention of finishing up. He is not, however, following this forum anymore. He received my message only because PoA sent him an email telling him of my message.

The cacophony of responding posts appears to have turned him off. So while he has given up on PoA, he has not given up on aviation.

 

[TMetzinger]

That's good that he's sticking with it, and hopefully he'll come back.

 

[IowaMatt]

I got a polite private message today from the original poster in response to my own private message to him that I had sent some time back.

For those interested, he is working on his ground studies and has every intention of finishing up. He is not, however, following this forum anymore. He received my message only because PoA sent him an email telling him of my message.

The cacophony of responding posts appears to have turned him off. So while he has given up on PoA, he has not given up on aviation.

Back to my original message. I wish more people with mentor qualities chimed in. Last I checked we need more pilots not elitists.

Good for Matt for continuing his training.

All my best,
Matt

 

[IowaMatt]

I happen to disagree.
Ultimately he heard everything he was supposed to hear, most importantly he heard that his idea of flying 'with Ipad' at his particular training phase was ill advised or outright silly. But the way he framed the conversation and put forth his arguments (there were none actually) was highly immature. Flying is not for immature people - we could have saved his life. Some people are better off not flying.

He was a student looking for inspiration to continue on. Everybody needs a pat on the back every now and then that says "hang in there". In no way, shape or form do you know enough about the OP to judge if he was mature or not. Quite frankly, it isn't your call to deem him flight worthy or not.

-M

 

[olasek]

Quite frankly, it isn't your call to deem him flight worthy or not.

No, it is not my call but it was my choice to add to presented opinions, like everybody else in this thread. It is his call and he had already made it, case closed.

 

[Henning]

Doesn't make sense to someone who doesn't know the science involved either.

I know the outcome of the science though: Over population, depletion of resources (primarily fresh water), pestilence, and war.

What we have not done is guided science well.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

I know the outcome of the science though: Over population, depletion of resources (primarily fresh water), pestilence, and war.

What we have not done is guided science well.

Not a problem with the science, but a problem with people. That's like saying that "firearms kill people", rather than the more truthful "people kill people". It's also a fallacy to think you can "guide science".

Overpopulation? May or may not happen. Europe has a decline in birth rate and they are losing population ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4768644.stm ). US birthrates are also declining (http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aabirthrate.htm ) although we are still seeing population growth. Japan is another country with low birth rates and is losing population. Same thing happening in Canada ( http://www.med.uottawa.ca/sim/data/Birth_Rates_e.htm ).

 

[Geico266]

I got a polite private message today from the original poster in response to my own private message to him that I had sent some time back.

For those interested, he is working on his ground studies and has every intention of finishing up. He is not, however, following this forum anymore. He received my message only because PoA sent him an email telling him of my message.

The cacophony of responding posts appears to have turned him off. So while he has given up on PoA, he has not given up on aviation.

Thanks for the update. Glad to hear he is pursuing his license. I happened to agree with him. Any device you can bring into the cockpit to aid in flying is a good thing. Teaching navigation the "old way" just because " that is the way we have always done it" is silly.

Hopefully, he will return to PoA. Everyone brings something unique to the forum and that makes it interesting.

 

[Tracey]

Everybody needs a pat on the back every now and then that says "hang in there".

 

[Henning]

Not a problem with the science, but a problem with people. That's like saying that "firearms kill people", rather than the more truthful "people kill people". It's also a fallacy to think you can "guide science".

Overpopulation? May or may not happen. Europe has a decline in birth rate and they are losing population ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4768644.stm ). US birthrates are also declining (http://usgovinfo.about.com/cs/censusstatistic/a/aabirthrate.htm ) although we are still seeing population growth. Japan is another country with low birth rates and is losing population. Same thing happening in Canada ( http://www.med.uottawa.ca/sim/data/Birth_Rates_e.htm ).

Doesn't matter with Africa, Asia and Latin America at it and emigrating. We are already overpopulated, our aquifers world wide are depleting. Nature balanced the human race around half a billion for thousands of years. vaccination and antibiotics have that us over 7 billion now and heading for 9 billion in 20 years.

My question is, where is all the fresh water going to come from? Current RO technology is very expensive in equipment and energy.

 

[Jaybird180]

Doesn't matter with Africa, Asia and Latin America at it and emigrating. We are already overpopulated, our aquifers world wide are depleting. Nature balanced the human race around half a billion for thousands of years. vaccination and antibiotics have that us over 7 billion now and heading for 9 billion in 20 years.

My question is, where is all the fresh water going to come from? Current RO technology is very expensive in equipment and energy.

The very idea that water on the plant could be depleted without transporting it off world is laughable.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Doesn't matter with Africa, Asia and Latin America at it and emigrating. We are already overpopulated, our aquifers world wide are depleting. Nature balanced the human race around half a billion for thousands of years. vaccination and antibiotics have that us over 7 billion now and heading for 9 billion in 20 years.

My question is, where is all the fresh water going to come from? Current RO technology is very expensive in equipment and energy.

You didn't address how the use of science is a human issue, like the use of weapons. Science is merely a tool, and it's up to people to decide how to use it.

As for the overpopulation, it may well take care of itself. The same science you decry also gives us the means to control population as is done in the countries I cited, one of which is in Asia.

 

[Henning]

The very idea that water on the plant could be depleted without transporting it off world is laughable.

Well open your eyes a bit wider deary. Every day we lose fresh water from our aquifers that ends contaminated, polluted, and typically saline. None of the above will support human or most non aquatic life. We need clean fresh water. The world has been in over all drought condition in much of it's arable land regions for quite a few years now. Even China is importing food for the first time, and leasing farm land from Russia. NEVER in history has China not been able to feed itself internally.

The only ways we have right now of purifying water for human consumption are very energy intensive. You are pumping through the membrane between 650psi and 800psi in the low energy system.

The only thing that will make water not a problem in the future is to switch to H2 fuel cell, since it provides 9 liters for every gallon's gas of work done. You only have to transport less than half the weight of the gas to get both the work and the water. Oh yeah, you get waste heat at the power process that can provide hot water coils for domestic use.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

The only thing that will make water not a problem in the future is to switch to H2 fuel cell, since it provides 9 liters for every gallon's gas of work done. You only have to transport less than half the weight of the gas to get both the work and the water. Oh yeah, you get waste heat at the power process that can provide hot water coils for domestic use.

As long as you pipe it in.
EDIT: BTW- you proved his point. We don't need to worry about water. Thanks to the science that you said was bad.

 

[Geico266]

Well open your eyes a bit wider deary. Every day we lose fresh water from our aquifers that ends contaminated, polluted, and typically saline. None of the above will support human or most non aquatic life. We need clean fresh water. The world has been in over all drought condition in much of it's arable land regions for quite a few years now.

Can't speak for all aquifers, but most in the US recharge with snow melt and rain. It is a misconception that there is a finite supply of fresh water. Just another myth perpetrated by those who seek to profit from water.

Here is NE we pump the Ogalalla aquifer down 300- 500' every year irrigating crops and pasture. It recharges in the off seasons to "normal" levels. Certainly anecdotal evidence in terms of the world's supply, but drought and famine have been around a long time. Too many people in the wrong places is the problem.

 

[Henning]

As long as you pipe it in.

That is optimal, but tankers will work as well as will small & medium sized tanks similar to those currently served. Also shore based plants can ship electricity o the grid while keeping water local, or vice versa.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

That is optimal, but tankers will work as well as will small & medium sized tanks similar to those currently served. Also shore based plants can ship electricity o the grid while keeping water local, or vice versa.

All based on science. Seems like you contradicted youself. Scince is bad, but you'll use it to solve the problems, so it is good. Which is it?

Agriculture must be bad too since it allows for increased population too,

 

[Henning]

Can't speak for all aquifers, but most in the US recharge with snow melt and rain. It is a misconception that there is a finite supply of fresh water. Just another myth perpetrated by those who seek to profit from water.

Here is NE we pump the Ogalalla aquifer down 300- 500' every year irrigating crops and pasture. It recharges in the off seasons to "normal" levels. Certainly anecdotal evidence in terms of the world's supply, but drought and famine have been around a long time. Too many people in the wrong places is the problem.

You are in a rare section of the aquifer:

Change in groundwater storage

The USGS estimated that total water storage was about 2,925,000,000 acre feet (3,608 km3) in 2005. This is a decline of about 253,000,000 acre feet (312 km3) (or 9%) since substantial ground-water irrigation development began, in the 1950s.[5]
Water conservation practices (terracing and crop rotation), more efficient irrigation methods (center pivot and drip), and simply reduced area under irrigation have helped to slow depletion of the aquifer, but levels are generally still dropping. See the figure above for an illustration of the places where large drops in water level have been observed (i.e., the brown areas in southwest Kansas, and in or near the Texas Panhandle). In the more humid areas, such as eastern and central Nebraska and south of Lubbock, water levels have risen since 1980.

As we add another 2 billion world wide, we will need to put more land under irrigation to produce, or go vertical and hydroponic in urban settings.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

You are in a rare section of the aquifer:



As we add another 2 billion world wide, we will need to put more land under irrigation to produce, or go vertical and hydroponic in urban settings.

Again, based on science. Science isn't good or bad- just how it's used.

 

[Lagerloef]

My advice: First, get rid of the pessimist then decide if you want to fly. If so, do the work because right now you don't know what you might need on a dark stormy night. Find the joy in acquiring the knowledge. Tickle your curiosity with a trip to the soaring field, a lesson in a helicopter, a cross country in a complex aircraft or a Piper Cub, i.e. variety. It's worth it. Tens of thousands of hours later it still thrills.

 

[MSPAviator]

I think getting lost due to no GPS and a stiff crosswind & consequent large wind correction angle is a good piloting experience.

 

[Henning]

Again, based on science. Science isn't good or bad- just how it's used.

Right, but it's going to require large quantities of fresh water. I agree, we just have a historic record of not using science in our best interest.

 

[John Baker]

I'm glad he is not giving up after all. I believe where he went wrong with this forum was starting out by saying he was quiting. Then he started pouting because nobody gave him an atta boy for his decision to quit.

If he sees it through and gets his ticket, then in my book, for whatever that's worth, he is OK.

As far as him coming back to POA, I doubt he will ever like it here.

Whatever it was he was looking for, we apparently didn't give it to him.

It would be gratifying to hear that he did get his ticket though. I admire anyone who is willing to put up with it all and get it done.

-John

 

[L.Adamson]

I happen to disagree.
Ultimately he heard everything he was supposed to hear, most importantly he heard that his idea of flying 'with Ipad' at his particular training phase was ill advised or outright silly. But the way he framed the conversation and put forth his arguments (there were none actually) was highly immature. Flying is not for immature people - we could have saved his life. Some people are better off not flying.

Nope.....

I didn't see that. The questions were legitimate. It didn't take very long for the "usual" followup replies, which include ipad user or aviator, fancy gps, dead batteries, don't need gps for VFR, etc. The majority of responses, in this thread, just kept piling upon this theme.

Kind of reminds me of student pilots forums, in which SO many "old timers" are very quick in responses, to continually remind a student, that GPS is a fancy gimmick, that should "always" be reserved for later. Or that modern navigation........ is not required, or of little use to the VFR pilot.
It seems to make a student proud, when they can proclaim that they are not a follower of the "magenta line".

In reality, a pilot who is "able" to use the tools of modern technology.........will ALWAYS be the pilot who is better informed, and more able to make "real time" decisions, based on real time information.

As I've said before...................if an instructor tells you to throw the GPS into the backseat, then throw them out! I prefer instructors who are able to combine modern navigation and the basics of flight on day one. Some are capable of doing that. Others are not, and can do no better than come up with a myriad of excuses as to why.

L.Adamson

 

[Henning]

I'm glad he is not giving up after all. I believe where he went wrong with this forum was starting out by saying he was quiting. Then he started pouting because nobody gave him an atta boy for his decision to quit.

If he sees it through and gets his ticket, then in my book, for whatever that's worth, he is OK.

As far as him coming back to POA, I doubt he will ever like it here.

Whatever it was he was looking for, we apparently didn't give it to him.

It would be gratifying to hear that he did get his ticket though. I admire anyone who is willing to put up with it all and get it done.

-John

He's still a child, hasn't learned to just filter the wheat from the chaff and think for himself. A pouty pis-y attitude makes it, 'who cares?' Unless he loses the attitude he'll always struggle and never be safe. Remember, he's been victimized by aviation twice now.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Right, but it's going to require large quantities of fresh water. I agree, we just have a historic record of not using science in our best interest.

And it would be helpful if people who don't know science be a bit restrained in pushing their opinions in how to run a technology-based society.

 

[Swampfox201]

You are in a rare section of the aquifer:



I'll pipe in as I farm in central NE and depend on the Ogallala Aquifer for irrigation.

A few years ago we were in a drought and the aquifer levels were dropping every year to the point our wells were pumping air. All the talk was how we were in big trouble and the state's response was to put a ban on drilling new irrigation wells. The next spring was very wet with lots of flooding and in that one spring we recharged to normal levels.

Same thing happened to Lake McConaughy. Everyone was saying it would take YEARS to refill. Took one.

Granted our wells are shallow. Some of the deep ones out west likely have much slower recharge rates.

 

[MBDiagMan]

I got a polite private message today from the original poster in response to my own private message to him that I had sent some time back.

For those interested, he is working on his ground studies and has every intention of finishing up. He is not, however, following this forum anymore. He received my message only because PoA sent him an email telling him of my message.

The cacophony of responding posts appears to have turned him off. So while he has given up on PoA, he has not given up on aviation.

Sounds like the early portions of this thread might be a good example of how the written word in a discussion forum can EASILY be misunderstood.

That said there were several different people besides myself that took what he wrote the same way. I wish he had been able to clarify his position.

I have had posts completely misunderstood before, but they weren't on subjects that went to my core personality as this one did.

I wish him well and I hope he's not listening to some of the silly comments of his instructors.

 

[Jaybird180]

Anyone taking bets on how many posts this thread gets?

 

[Geico266]

Anyone taking bets on how many posts this thread gets?

It just got one more!

 

[Geico266]

You are in a rare section of the aquifer:



As we add another 2 billion world wide, we will need to put more land under irrigation to produce, or go vertical and hydroponic in urban settings.

Actually, most aquifiers are self recharging, as are most water sheds.

You worry too much about things that take care of themselves.

Adding another 2 billion people in areas that cannot sustain 2 billion people has consequences that are very predicable, and none of which is my concern..

 

[N801BH]

Actually, most aquifiers are self recharging, as are most water sheds.

You worry too much about things that take care of themselves.

Adding another 2 billion people in areas that cannot sustain 2 billion people has consequences that are very predicable, and none of which is my concern..

Agreed.... Not my concern either...

You would figure god would give those poor, ignorant people just a little sense to quit $crewing and having babies.... Geez... such an easy solution to such a simple problem....

Rant off................... for now.

 

[denverpilot]

Might help if we stopped giving a tax break for pumping out the cherubs.

But that's a different thread and rant...