Just Quit Training

Jaybird180 said:
Are you saying I can't do it in my head or setup a proportion on paper if I wanted to? Are you saying I MUST support the royalties of the decendents of LT Philip Dalton?
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Nope, I believe mental math is adequate so long as you get it right. Personally I did find use for it on the flip side for doing set/drift triangles. On the front side I did learn a nifty way to shift loads to meet MAC requirements when I did FEx years ago; I've forgotten since. Knowledge unused and all that...
 
jnmeade said:
Do us a favor and don't take your misinformed attitude to everyone you talk to about aviation. You had an unfortunate experience but it is not the norm.
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Don't kid yourself...

At my school I was told the norm is 70-80% of the people not completing training.

Since you know it all why is that?

I am glad I am walking away from this. I posted as a student at a crossroads and got piled on by a pack of *******s.

Thanks for letting me see who GA is and let me run from it.

Maybe the next student gets a compassionate ear instead of a kick in the nuts.

Who ever is the moderator please discconnect my account, I won't be back whether I finish my license or not..
 
Most students are washouts. In my groundschool classes (I took it twice - by choice) I'm the only pilot (not sure about the one that went out of the country), so that 1 out of about 16 students.

You have to have your own reason to overcome the many obstacles to certification. If you don't have the reason, the sentiment is that you don't have "what it takes" (definition already provided), but don't take it personal. There admittedly is a little bit of elitism amongst pilots.
 
bartmc said:
You might also consider taking up flying a plane that can get on top of the clouds, celestial navigation in IMC is tough.
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:rofl::rofl:

I think I can get up to 14k, though I've never tried.
 
Matthewc66 said:
Don't kid yourself...

At my school I was told the norm is 70-80% of the people not completing training.

Since you know it all why is that?

I am glad I am walking away from this. I posted as a student at a crossroads and got piled on by a pack of *******s.

Thanks for letting me see who GA is and let me run from it.

Maybe the next student gets a compassionate ear instead of a kick in the nuts.

Who ever is the moderator please discconnect my account, I won't be back whether I finish my license or not..
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You got piled on because of a bad attitude... And quite frankly a bad student. Listening to people who tell you that youll never use something again instead of asking your instructor for real practical reasons/applications. If you don't like your instructors style or attitude find a new one.

That and you come here saying you quit. Why would people give advice to someone who quit?
 
ajstoner21 said:
You got piled on because of a bad attitude...
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Which merely proves that a lot of posters aren't qualified to handle people who express frustration.

And quite frankly a bad student.
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And you're a bad poster. :rolleyes:

That and you come here saying you quit. Why would people give advice to someone who quit?
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You skimmed post 1 in this thread too quickly.
 
I was reminded of kids in class asking, "Am I going to need to know this for the test?"

And the answer was always, "Yes."
 
Matthew said:
I was reminded of kids in class asking, "Am I going to need to know this for the test?"

And the answer was always, "Yes."
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The OP actually never asked that kind of question.

His was more along the lines of "Why am I being tested on something you, as my teacher - and every teacher I've asked - says I will never need to use?"
 
That's the way it was taken, though.

He said he felt he was getting burned out, bored, and didn't understand why he needed to be taught something he was told he'd never use anyway. He said he was told he'd never need top-of-climb, diversions, etc.

I read his post to be "Why am I being taught something I'll never use" rather than "Why am I being tested on something I'll never use."

He needed it because "It will be on the test." (among other reasons)

His CFI could have been more help.
 
I think it's another example of the wisdom of the three ******* rule.

Jim Logajan said:
Which merely proves that a lot of posters aren't qualified to handle people who express frustration.



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Matthewc66 said:
In reading some of the responses it looks like people want an additional response from me as it was my thread.

After everyones input I will walk away from aviation.

The information I get is the same everywhere. People say you have to learn this way but then they tell you, you will never use it again.

Being this is a dangerous hobby and I don't feel safe after all this time in the plane I will move on.

Thanks for the information..

Matt
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On behalf of pilots everywhere, thank you.
 
Four pages and all I can say is WOW. Interesting thread. I was just talking to someone else about their experiences (at my first Angel Flight meeting). I have yet to find ONE SINGLE PILOT who had an "easy time" during training with no frustrations, or fleeting thoughts of quitting, or other negativity..... most everyone has a story of a road block or two that got in the way. I came here and to another site when I was about to quit, but I think the difference was in my approach / attitude. It seems you already knew you'd leave.... me, I was trying to find reasons to stay. All of us are different. Good luck to you.
 
kimberlyanne546 said:
Four pages and all I can say is WOW. Interesting thread. I was just talking to someone else about their experiences (at my first Angel Flight meeting). I have yet to find ONE SINGLE PILOT who had an "easy time" during training with no frustrations, or fleeting thoughts of quitting, or other negativity..... most everyone has a story of a road block or two that got in the way. I came here and to another site when I was about to quit, but I think the difference was in my approach / attitude. It seems you already knew you'd leave.... me, I was trying to find reasons to stay. All of us are different. Good luck to you.
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Here's one.
 
saracelica said:
Was with the DPE for the oral/ground portion. He was asking about night flight."How long before you can fly after being in a bright room?" "30 minutes" because that's what the FAA says.
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There is a regulation about this?


I didn't really enjoy the flight planning stuff either but its pretty simple and you have to sit down and write out a flight plan / calculate everything less than ten times during your entire training from start to finish

Sorry you won't find a school that just teaches foreflight or whatever. You're expected to be able to navigate with a sectional and basic dead reckoning skills.

You might be interested in sport pilot or something with less x/c requirements if you just want to get up and fly around locally or whatever. I know the dead reckoning, airspace, VOR navigation, flight planning stuff seems like you'll never use it and in reality you can avoid ever having to use it if you don't want to. But the PPL is a license granting you the ability to take an airplane and fly it across the country, in all kinds of weather, to practically any airport you want to, and the FAA has to be satisfied that you have at least basic knowledge in these things.

Don't give up if you really want to fly.. just sweat it out and learn the material. In reality it will only take a few weekends of your time to get past the x/c phase and you will have a (lifetime) license to fly in all sorts of aircraft, to many different places and you can pretty much make whatever you want out of it.
 
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My GPS has taken a dump on more than one occasion. Sometimes the satellites go out, and sometime the stupid things just can't get a signal. Better know where you are on the chart, always.

I don't do the pilotage things as often as I used to (draw lines and time waypoints). Did the time I flew to WV62, wasn't certain by nav was on and didn't want to get lost among the rocks.
 
bbchien said:
The Hendricks crew? Heck, competent "proper" IFR was all that was needed there....
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From robert buck's weather flying

"IFR flying is actually easier in many ways, the pilot never has to worry about where the clouds are or running into terrain..."
 
Matthewc66 said:
Don't kid yourself...

At my school I was told the norm is 70-80% of the people not completing training.

Since you know it all why is that?

I am glad I am walking away from this. I posted as a student at a crossroads and got piled on by a pack of *******s.

Thanks for letting me see who GA is and let me run from it.

Maybe the next student gets a compassionate ear instead of a kick in the nuts.

Who ever is the moderator please discconnect my account, I won't be back whether I finish my license or not..
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I apologize for being part of the "piling on," but it was clearly because of your attitude. As far as compassion, I have seen and received more compassion and help from people on this forum than you could ever imagine. When I was at a road block in my training (one of them,) a highly experienced pilot and instructor on this forum flew at his expense to my field to fly with me and help me in some key areas. He wouldn't let me pay him or even put any fuel in his plane. He just did it because he wanted to help.

I really think that if I had been posting with the same attitude you have exhibited, he and everyone else on here would have "piled on" instead of GENEROUSLY and selflessly helping me over the hump.

In reading your posting I can't help but remember a story that my Grandpa told me when I was about 13 years old. We moved all the time when I was a kid and I hated it. I was faced with one of these moves and I must have been displaying an attitude much like yours.

He told me a story (that he probably made up for the situation) about a family driving into a new town where they were moving and stopping at a store to pick up a few things. In getting acquainted with the store keeper, they asked how the neighbors are in town. He asked THEM how the neighbors were back where they came from. They said the neighbors were just wonderful. The store keeper told them that the neighbors would be great here too.

The next day another family also moving into town, stopped to pick up a few things. The store keeper found out they were also new people to town. They asked him the same question and he asked if they had good neighbors where they came from. They said they had TERRIBLE neighbors back where they just moved away from. He said well, you won't have good neighbors here either.

Attitude is EVERYTHING!

Best of luck to you!:wink2:
 
kimberlyanne546 said:
Four pages and all I can say is WOW. Interesting thread. I was just talking to someone else about their experiences (at my first Angel Flight meeting). I have yet to find ONE SINGLE PILOT who had an "easy time" during training with no frustrations, or fleeting thoughts of quitting, or other negativity..... most everyone has a story of a road block or two that got in the way. I came here and to another site when I was about to quit, but I think the difference was in my approach / attitude. It seems you already knew you'd leave.... me, I was trying to find reasons to stay. All of us are different. Good luck to you.
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Yes, and Kim got lots of support and help most DEFINITELY because of her attitude. I was a student pilot at the same time and we supported each other.

Again, attitude is everything and I could tell from the get go, that Kim had the attitude of "never quit."
 
Why not combine the training and use it WITH Foreflight ...

Do your paper planning, then plan it on the PC or use Foreflight and see how close you are to the computer.

Same thing with using the little position marker. Look outside, see how close you are with positioning on the map and then check it against what Foreflight says.


It may actually help you pick things in the air and reference them on the map. I know it has helped me...


Unless I am doing it wrong , which my instructor has not said so , but TOC planning is just as easy as regular planning. TOC , first check point , then plan other check points from that location.

If I can figure it out, it can't be that hard. I struggled a bit in the beginning , but one day it all just clicked.
 
kimberlyanne546 said:
Four pages and all I can say is WOW. Interesting thread. I was just talking to someone else about their experiences (at my first Angel Flight meeting). I have yet to find ONE SINGLE PILOT who had an "easy time" during training with no frustrations, or fleeting thoughts of quitting, or other negativity..... most everyone has a story of a road block or two that got in the way. I came here and to another site when I was about to quit, but I think the difference was in my approach / attitude. It seems you already knew you'd leave.... me, I was trying to find reasons to stay. All of us are different. Good luck to you.
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I don't recall any significant roadblocks, or ever having the urge to quit when I was a student pilot. Perhaps because I was 48 at the time and was finally doing something I had wanted to do since I was a kid? Now, if you want to talk roadblocks, I've got the orginal poster beat in spades if you want to discuss my road to my IR. 1st attempt at starting was in July 2002. After many years of interruptions, passed the IR ride in September 2011. Come on, young man, you don't know what roadblocks are. If you want to learn to fly, do it. And, get a new instructor.
 
Matthewc66 said:
In reading some of the responses it looks like people want an additional response from me as it was my thread.

After everyones input I will walk away from aviation.

The information I get is the same everywhere. People say you have to learn this way but then they tell you, you will never use it again.

Being this is a dangerous hobby and I don't feel safe after all this time in the plane I will move on.

Thanks for the information..

Matt
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Probably the best and safest course for you... To be a pilot you need to control situations and anticipate issues.... Almost anyone can drive a vehicle.... if weather or traffic or any other distraction comes your way all you need to do is pull over to the side of the road, turn on the 4 way flashers and think about your next move.... In a plane.. the ride in not over till you are able to safely complete your trip and tie the plane down.... Flying has gravity that quickly weeds out the incompetent and apparently are smart enough to know you ain't cut out for being a pilot....

Be safe on the highways partner...:yesnod::wink2:
 
I started my training dead in the middle of planning a wedding , remodeling my house and trying to start a new career .

Talk about wanting to quit EVERYTHING. I stuck through it , lived through the wedding , didn't do the career change and still remodeling the house.
 
kimberlyanne546 said:
Four pages and all I can say is WOW. Interesting thread. I was just talking to someone else about their experiences (at my first Angel Flight meeting). I have yet to find ONE SINGLE PILOT who had an "easy time" during training with no frustrations, or fleeting thoughts of quitting, or other negativity..... most everyone has a story of a road block or two that got in the way. I came here and to another site when I was about to quit, but I think the difference was in my approach / attitude. It seems you already knew you'd leave.... me, I was trying to find reasons to stay. All of us are different. Good luck to you.
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It's very simple Kim, it all boils down to desire. Is it your passion? If it is, you will continue confused and work it out. Not everyone is that passionate, in fact it scares the living s-t out of a significant portion of the population. Those people will see no value in aviation. I don't even particularly disagree with his attitude either. Here he is supposed to be a student learning this stuff and here's these wankers telling me how usless what I'm learning is? I see the same people in aviation so I'm not faulting him on observation. I avoid them as well for the most part. However, aviation is a passion of mine so I put forth an effort to learn it and do it right in spite of them. If it wasn't a passion, why would I waste my money?
 
It is sort of sad pilots talked this guy out of becoming a pilot. Everyone should think about what they say to student pilots and things like, 'what you're learning is worthless' should be left unsaid. A little common sense people...really.


(I do realize I'm preaching to the choir here. Just spread the word to stop being stupid and we'll all be better off.)
 
Captain said:
It is sort of sad pilots talked this guy out of becoming a pilot. Everyone should think about what they say to student pilots and things like, 'what you're learning is worthless' should be left unsaid. A little common sense people...really.


(I do realize I'm preaching to the choir here. Just spread the word to stop being stupid and we'll all be better off.)
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Nobody here did that, he was seeking affirmation in whatever form. His mind was already made up, it just wasn't changed coming here.
 
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It is sort of sad pilots talked this guy out of becoming a pilot. Everyone should think about what they say to student pilots and things like, 'what you're learning is worthless' should be left unsaid. A little common sense people...really.


(I do realize I'm preaching to the choir here. Just spread the word to stop being stupid and we'll all be better off.)





Henning said:
Nobody here did that, he was seeking affirmation in whatever form. His mind was already made up, it just wasn't changed coming here.
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The OP came here and titled his thread "JUST QUIT TRAINING"..:yesnod::yesnod:..
 
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I don't think any of the responses to the OP were mean. Especially when the subject of "you'll never use it" is concerned. I can see that every single thing that I was taught during my primary training, and informally beyond, is applicable at some time during even basic VFR flight or could conceivably be. It is a shame to hear of someone quitting though, I guess the 70-80% rule is true though. As a side note, I never, not once even thought about quitting training.
But the wisdom of purchasing an airplane, even a modest one such as mine...hmmmmm...:dunno:
 
Aeric said:
I don't think any of the responses to the OP were mean. Especially when the subject of "you'll never use it" is concerned. I can see that every single thing that I was taught during my primary training, and informally beyond, is applicable at some time during even basic VFR flight or could conceivably be. It is a shame to hear of someone quitting though, I guess the 70-80% rule is true though. As a side note, I never, not once even thought about quitting training.
But the wisdom of purchasing an airplane, even a modest one such as mine...hmmmmm...:dunno:
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Read the complaint more carefully, it is not as you indicate. He is not saying it's useless, he's being TOLD it's useless. WTF?:dunno:
 
Hey...don't post much but I had to chime in. I am 37, and have wanted to fly my whole life. I started training about two years ago, and after 20 hours I had to "temporarliy postpone" my training due to financial issues and other "life" stuff. Since then I have wanted so desperately to get back at it, I do performance calulations and create flight plans just for fun. I understand those of you who wanted to stand up for this guy, but to say that he was bored with learning this stuff and just wnated to use his gadgets proves that he doesn't have the passion for flying. It is probably good he got out.
 
Henning said:
Read the complaint more carefully, it is not as you indicate. He is not saying it's useless, he's being TOLD it's useless. WTF?:dunno:
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I understand that. I just think that some of the responses were a little too soft on those who told him that some of this stuff would be useless.
 
Can anyone explain why I had to diagram all those sentences in the 7th grade? I should have quit then. :idea:
 
Henning said:
Nobody here did that, he was seeking affirmation in whatever form. His mind was already made up, it just wasn't changed coming here.
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No no. Not 'US'. I mean the pilots he said he talked to who said, 'you'll never use that after the check ride". Those are the pilots who talked him out of it. Nobody should tell a student what they're learning is wasted.

That said, the OP is a bit of a puss for listening to them and not others. I'd guess he's the type that hears what they want to hear and if he wants to hear 'it's useless' then he'll bend every comment to read 'it's useless'.
 
Matthewc66 said:
In reading some of the responses it looks like people want an additional response from me as it was my thread.

After everyones input I will walk away from aviation.

The information I get is the same everywhere. People say you have to learn this way but then they tell you, you will never use it again.

Being this is a dangerous hobby and I don't feel safe after all this time in the plane I will move on.

Thanks for the information..

Matt
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That is a shame... Actually, I don't know what the deal is on this thread, but for the short while I have been on this forum it has been exceedingly supportive. Given there seem to be a few "know-it-alls" there have also been a few that have taken a mentor tone. Shame more of those people didn't chime in on this.

Best wishes to you.

Matt
 
IowaMatt said:
That is a shame... Actually, I don't know what the deal is on this thread, but for the short while I have been on this forum it has been exceedingly supportive. Given there seem to be a few "know-it-alls" there have also been a few that have taken a mentor tone. Shame more of those people didn't chime in on this.

Best wishes to you.

Matt
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This guy had his mind made up. There was no chance of 'mentoring' him into a more favorable mindset. Him quitting is the best outcome we could hope for short of his CFI motivating him to learn the basics.
 
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