IFR with summer thunderstorms question

I ask for as many deviations as I need for whatever reason I think I need them and most of the time ATC will let me do what I want.

As far as what to do about the clouds... I don't have a simple answer to that because it's not a simple question. My most recent flight went through an area for ~80nm that was under a convective airmet with lots of big poofy clouds in my way. However, there had been been no mention of storms in any TAF or local weather. Digging deeper into the "forecast discussion" I'd read something along the lines of "isolated t-storms are possible but probability too low to put in TAF"(if you have foreflight when you're looking up TAF info there's a forecast discussion button where you can read a text description of what the meteorologist is thinking... you'll find info like that in there, it can be insightful). I'd watched the weather all day, noting it was mostly stationary. A few lines of storms did pop up but nowhere near my course, mostly there were only short lived little dark green-yellow dots only a few pixels in diameter. Actual conditions were scattered-broken and cruising along at 8,000 I was in/out of them. I would guess no more than 4,000' or so of height. I watched my ADS-B weather closely along the route as well as my stormscope. Popped in/out of some slightly bumpy to smooth clouds for about 30-40min and popped out into clear weather. Never saw any precipitation or activity on the stormscope. There was one little dot barely 2nm in diameter close to my route with some yellow/red that I was prepared to deviate for but it was gone by the time I got close. Not the first flight I've had like this, probably not the last and there was nothing exciting to it.

Now if I'd seen TAFs all along my route with predicted storms/showers or seen rapidly moving/developing cells that's a whole other situation. If there were big anvil shaped clouds so tall I could see them 50nm away that's another situation. You really want to not just take in all the available information but also check how it's changing- both the forecasts and the actual radar data to get an idea of what's going on and what's likely to happen. The more you watch it the more you start to get a feel for it.

Always be ready to just land somewhere if you have to. Nobody wants to be stuck at some po-dunk airport for a day waiting out weather but it happens. Also for the types of summer scattered storms we're talking about, you usually see them in the afternoon. So flying in the morning or waiting until evening are often good strategies to avoid them entirely
 
We had a radar guru in our flying club - I asked him how quickly a T-storm could build in a block of clear air - he said as quickly as five minutes if all the factors aligned.

Flying between coastal NC and the DC metro area several times I've had controllers be very proactive with warnings about heavy rain; I was seeing it on my iPad, sure, but my assumption was the controller's view was near real-time? At least once I was offered "suggestions" as well as just about any deviation I wanted.

Finally, as an enlisted crew guy on C130's - we penetrated a cell in the Caribbean. Our old radar (APN-59, I think) had quit days earlier, per usual. That was the most violent ride of my aviation life. And in a very sturdy, powerful, and lightly loaded turbine aircraft. I had assumed the hurricane hunters penetrated cells in C130s all the time, but one of those guys told me ""Nope - inside the hurricane, yes. But strive to stay out of the cells."
 
We had a radar guru in our flying club - I asked him how quickly a T-storm could build in a block of clear air - he said as quickly as five minutes if all the factors aligned.

Flying between coastal NC and the DC metro area several times I've had controllers be very proactive with warnings about heavy rain; I was seeing it on my iPad, sure, but my assumption was the controller's view was near real-time? At least once I was offered "suggestions" as well as just about any deviation I wanted.

Finally, as an enlisted crew guy on C130's - we penetrated a cell in the Caribbean. Our old radar (APN-59, I think) had quit days earlier, per usual. That was the most violent ride of my aviation life. And in a very sturdy, powerful, and lightly loaded turbine aircraft. I had assumed the hurricane hunters penetrated cells in C130s all the time, but one of those guys told me ""Nope - inside the hurricane, yes. But strive to stay out of the cells."

Used to be real-time with analog radar but today’s digital Doppler radar, ATC’s weather can be 30 secs old for TRACONs. ARTCCs can be a few minutes. While I always appreciate a heads up from ATC, what I have in the cockpit gives me a better picture than what they’re trying to tell me.
 
what I have in the cockpit gives me a better picture than what they’re trying to tell me.

Makes me remember about the girl at work telling me it was raining. I looked outside and said no it wasn't. She said yes it was then points to the weather app on her phone. I politely told her to look out the window for a more accurate assessment. Some people just don't have a lot of common sense.
 
Used to be real-time with analog radar but today’s digital Doppler radar, ATC’s weather can be 30 secs old for TRACONs. ARTCCs can be a few minutes. While I always appreciate a heads up from ATC, what I have in the cockpit gives me a better picture than what they’re trying to tell me.

I assume you have on-board radar and your statement is correct. I just wanted to add for those that are relying on SiriusXM or ADS-B weather, your radar image may be even older and should not be used for maneuvering through storms. If I don't have on-board radar, I want to be VMC around thunderstorms so I can see and avoid.
 
if no one ever flies into a thunderstorm, how do we know they're really bad to fly into?

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maybe they're just misunderstood and sad that we all avoid them.
 
I assume you have on-board radar and your statement is correct. I just wanted to add for those that are relying on SiriusXM or ADS-B weather, your radar image may be even older and should not be used for maneuvering through storms. If I don't have on-board radar, I want to be VMC around thunderstorms so I can see and avoid.

No, XM and FIS-B and VMC eye balls. A controller trying to tell me “there’s an area of heavy precipitation from your eleven to your one o’clock and five miles, about seven miles wide” is just telling me what I already know. Not to mention, I can see the other dozen returns out there, know their echo intensity and can geographically reference them. Now, do I like ATC supplementing what I see? Sure I do, but their depiction of intensities doesn’t necessarily jive with real world and some their displays, while a much faster refresh, ain’t the best for judging precip levels.

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No, XM and FIS-B and VMC eye balls. A controller trying to tell me “there’s an area of heavy precipitation from your eleven to your one o’clock and five miles, about seven miles wide” is just telling me what I already know. Not to mention, I can see the other dozen returns out there, know their echo intensity and can geographically reference them. Now, do I like ATC supplementing what I see? Sure I do, but their depiction of intensities doesn’t necessarily jive with real world and some their displays, while a much faster refresh, ain’t the best for judging precip levels.

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I had a fun one on Saturday.

ATC: N123AB, area of light to moderate precipitation at your 12 o'clock, 5 miles.
Me: Ok, I'll look out for it, but right now it's clear skies for days.
 
I had a fun one on Saturday.

ATC: N123AB, area of light to moderate precipitation at your 12 o'clock, 5 miles.
Me: Ok, I'll look out for it, but right now it's clear skies for days.

I’ve told the story before but one time I was cruising in R-3005 at night and the controller issued moderate precip a couple of times. Finally in an exasperated tone he’s like “R12345, I’ve issued you moderate precipitation twice now and you just fly right through it. Is there something I’m missing?” I kinda chuckled and told him that 1) what you see isn’t necessarily real world and 2) as long as what I see isn’t convective (it wasn’t) and I have my required vis (I did) to operate on the range, I’m gonna keep on trucking. :)
 
I had a fun one on Saturday.

ATC: N123AB, area of light to moderate precipitation at your 12 o'clock, 5 miles.
Me: Ok, I'll look out for it, but right now it's clear skies for days.
I think mine was more fun:

ATC: N123AB, moderate precipitation at your 11 o'clock, 6 miles.
Me: I see clear skies all directions.
ATC: Yeah, I didn't believe it either.
 
I’ve told the story before but one time I was cruising in R-3005 at night and the controller issued moderate precip a couple of times. Finally in an exasperated tone he’s like “R12345, I’ve issued you moderate precipitation twice now and you just fly right through it. Is there something I’m missing?” I kinda chuckled and told him that 1) what you see isn’t necessarily real world and 2) as long as what I see isn’t convective (it wasn’t) and I have my required vis (I did) to operate on the range, I’m gonna keep on trucking. :)

I had that once at night as a fresh PPL working on my instrument. Another newly minted PPL and I were building cross-country time by splitting flying under the hood and safety pilot duties. On our return leg, at night, we had already inadvertently entered a random cloud without seeing it, so were already a little paranoid.

20 miles out from home, with the town and airport beacon in sight, ATC advises an area of severe to extreme precipitation between us and the airport. Being relatively new we were concerned, but could see the airport clear as a bell and pressed on. Every 30 seconds or so ATC would reiterate the warning with increasing concern. We couldn't figure how we'd have such clear visibility with such heavy precipitation.

We never did hit any rain.
 
I had that once at night as a fresh PPL working on my instrument. Another newly minted PPL and I were building cross-country time by splitting flying under the hood and safety pilot duties. On our return leg, at night, we had already inadvertently entered a random cloud without seeing it, so were already a little paranoid.

20 miles out from home, with the town and airport beacon in sight, ATC advises an area of severe to extreme precipitation between us and the airport. Being relatively new we were concerned, but could see the airport clear as a bell and pressed on. Every 30 seconds or so ATC would reiterate the warning with increasing concern. We couldn't figure how we'd have such clear visibility with such heavy precipitation.

We never did hit any rain.

Yeah a lot depends on controller settings. In the old days of analog radar, it had instantaneous returns but no intensity. Also, you could have the settings (circular polarization) too high and be eliminating critical weather but still getting aircraft returns. Today with digital (ASR9/11) you get intensity through a seperate weather processor but I don’t care for the depiction. And if the controller doesn’t have the display set up properly, the WSP could show too much or too little precip. Then center uses a completely different setup and the advisories could be several minutes old. The other problem with ATC wx advisories is the distance away from the aircraft is a swag. There’s a software function to measure distances from an aircraft but there isn’t enough time to use it.

So while they have a more current depiction of what’s around us, the guesstimate on distance, size and possibly intensity…well I like my XM. ;)
 
I agree about looking out, but weather can come on pretty fast. On my first student XC solo, I dodged some rain cells, landed at an airport. Turned around and came back. On the way back, the sky was gray, but nothing notably concerning. ATC comes on and asks me if I have weather in the cockpit, and I replied no. "Thunderstorms ahead, suggest you land".
I did, and then all hell broke loose about 5 minutes later. Blew the door off the FBO. I would have been in a mess had he not called out.
Lesson for me being, as mentioned, even delayed weather in the cockpit is better than nothing.
 
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Remember, radar sees precipitation, not turbulence. And they see plan view, not by altitude.

I have been flying in what ATC saw as precip, but there was none at my altitude.
 
My first rule of thunderstorms is to not FAFO. Beyond that, a lot of the answers to your question are dependent in what’s happening at that time.

FAFO?
 
I remember one time flying into Savannah a pilot asked to leave the freq to contact FSS about the Tstorms that were all around us. I thought, you’re gonna leave the freq of the person who can give you the actual picture of the weather, just to listen to someone read off a convective sigmet??? A example of someone that didn’t understand the system and where to get the most pertinent weather information.
 
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