Reporting Driver's License Suspension

mulligan said:
Many people keep coming to boards like this looking for people to tell them what they want to hear. It always amazes me when they get so upset when the majority tell them the opposite of what they want to hear.
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Really? You are amazed by that? I'm amazed when people accept a reality they don't want to hear.
 
A significant issue with smoking marijuana is liability, including personal and professional. As a former business owner who worked as a contractor for large industrial clients I was forced to fire any employee that failed a drug test, whether they smoked an hour before the test, or weeks. No large corporations will knowingly risk the legal liability of having a person operate heavy equipment, vehicles, etc. with THC in their system. That's just asking to be found at fault, regardless of the circumstances, and opens you and the company up for a potentially large legal settlement from an accident. An individual or family with any kind of net worth has the same issues. The difference between marijuana and alcohol is, aside from legality, the time it remains in your system. Smoking greatly increases your exposure to liability and will greatly limit your opportunity for employment, whether it's legal or not.
 
weilke said:
He caught the pot charge the same way you get an 'open container' if one of your idiot friends decides to drink while you are driving. Same thing, idiot buddies interfering with your life.
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Says as much about him as his "buddy". I don't let my buddies drink or smoke drugs in MY car.
 
Mason said:
We know what it takes to be legal with booze. What does it take to be legal with pot? 8 hours? More? How much in your blood? How long does it take to wear off? THC in frequent high use can stay in fat cells for a LONG time. When are you no longer "under the influence?"
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See I'm no puritan and I have zero problem with with people boozing it up (I do it myself) as long as they are not boozed up in the plane. But, you raise the exact issue I have with marijuana usage. Regardless of how one feels about the legality, I also question the effect on the residuals.
 
Sac Arrow said:
See I'm no puritan and I have zero problem with with people boozing it up (I do it myself) as long as they are not boozed up in the plane. But, you raise the exact issue I have with marijuana usage. Regardless of how one feels about the legality, I also question the effect on the residuals.
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The good news is there is the possibility of the compounds produced by this plant being studied to understand their biology. The bad news is there is a lot of "research" being done by both sides of the debate with questionable methodology to support their opinion. When politics walks in the door, truth tends to fly out the window.

We'll probably eventually find that, like alcohol, there are some individuals who become addicted and shouldn't use the product. How long until the effects wear off? Probably varies between people too.

To the OP, see an attorney as suggested by many others.
 
orange said:
Says as much about him as his "buddy". I don't let my buddies drink or smoke drugs in MY car.
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Nice assumption it was being smoked. That was not stated.. Do you frisk your buddies every time too to make sure the aren't carrying?
 
Won't this come up under 8500-8 v sooner or later anyway? The wording suggests the "involvement" of the drug In the administrative action (suspension of drivers license) triggers a requirement to notify, regardless of use/non-use of the substance. Granted, the double negative in the instructions makes for a little extra brain work, but it seems fairly unambiguous at first blush. If it's going to come up anyway, may as well get it over with and get points for candor (or avoid losing points for sitting on the information/delaying disclosure). Of course I will echo the advice to get counsel, which the OP has wisely already embraced.
 
But is it going to come up anyway?

I think with all these super hero cop tv series, all the CSIs and law and orders, folks seem to feel that they need to confess their immortal souls to anyone with a ounce of authority and a tin badge.

Fact is you got to use your head and do some research, there is also a good chance the only way things like these are ever going to surface is if you go around telling everyone about it.

Talk to a lawyer, see what's actually in the databases, make the most advantageous call for you.
 
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James331 said:
But is it going to come up anyway?


Fact is you got to use your head and do some research, there is also a good chance the only way things like these are ever going to surface is if you go around telling everyone about it.
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I defer to Doc Bruce on the likelihood of this coming to light and the possible consequences. It is not his first time around the block.
 
Isn't this more of a legal matter then a medical matter?
 
James331 said:
Isn't this more of a legal matter then a medical matter?
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I have no idea. It could be one, or the other, or both. Legal counsel is advised.

What I know for sure is that when it comes to getting a medical, Doc Bruce is the best resource up to and including a history of drug and alcohol issues.

What I can say for sure from personal experience , is that if an airline employee under my supervision was in this position, I would be implementing the procedures of the Employee Assistance Program, suspending him from duty, and strongly encouraging recovery treatment with the possibility of termination.
 
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Well that proves my point.

If this was something which you would have never found out about, the pilot came forth about it, you would have started up all the actions, up to termination, that you mentioned?

I'd say that's the best advice right there, from someone in the industry too, if it's not going to show on any record don't say a thing about it.
 
LDJones said:
So an open-container bust wouldn't be reportable, either?
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Good analogy. Instructions for question 18v, part 2, say: "Individual traffic convictions are not reportable if they did not involve: alcohol or a drug; suspension, revocation, cancellation, or denial of driving privileges..." The corollary is that suspension of driving privileges based on drug or alcohol "involvement" -- even without drug or alcohol USE -- is reportable. That's not legal advice, but I haven't seen a persuasive argument to the contrary yet. ;-)
 
Kritchlow said:
I am soooo tired of the folks that hate all government. I am a conservative, but I do realize the need for some government oversight.
Lives other countries with no airport security or no aircraft maintenance standards?? Would you get on one of those airplanes?? No maintenance checks performed, no security, not even a runway analysis to see if we can depart....
Yeah, that's me.
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The reality is, assuming a competitive market place, aircraft maintenance and security provide by the carriers would sort itself out in the market. An airline with cheap seats but planes that regularly fall out of the sky would not be in business long. Security could be done by the airlines and passengers could make the same market driven choices. What we have today is ineffective and nothing but an act to make people feel safe.

As for the topic at hand get a lawyer but I guess a few people have already said that. :)
 
Circuit Flyer said:
Good analogy. Instructions for question 18v, part 2, say: "Individual traffic convictions are not reportable if they did not involve: alcohol or a drug; suspension, revocation, cancellation, or denial of driving privileges..." The corollary is that suspension of driving privileges based on drug or alcohol "involvement" -- even without drug or alcohol USE -- is reportable. That's not legal advice, but I haven't seen a persuasive argument to the contrary yet. ;-)
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Sounds like his conviction is involving the transportation of drugs. It doesn't sound like it falls under the DUI related convictions that have to be reported prior to the medical. 4years remaining on the medical is probably too short to get an expungement.

§ 61.15 Offenses involving alcohol or drugs.
(a) A conviction for the violation of any Federal or State statute relating to the growing, processing, manufacture, sale, disposition, possession, transportation, or importation of narcotic drugs, marijuana, or depressant or stimulant drugs or substances is grounds for:
 
ifly4fun said:
Nice assumption it was being smoked. That was not stated.. Do you frisk your buddies every time too to make sure the aren't carrying?
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Who knows, maybe they were shooting it up, he didn't say which.

No need to frisk them, my friends aren't druggie-types.
 
... shooting up weed, yeah lol

I'd also wager a few of your friends use drugs, I'd also wager so do you.
 
orange said:
No need to frisk them, my friends aren't druggie-types.
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I frisk my wife before we fly, I tell her it's a TSA reg.


As for frisking your car passengers to make them certified weed-free, Chris Rocks 'How not to get your a~~ kicked by the police' PSA from 20 years ago comes to mind. That was one of his comedic recommendations.
 
weilke said:
I frisk my wife before we fly, I tell her it's a TSA reg.


As for frisking your car passengers to make them certified weed-free, Chris Rocks 'How not to get your a~~ kicked by the police' PSA from 20 years ago comes to mind. That was one of his comedic recommendations.
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" Dont Break The Law!!"
 
Years ago I flew with someone who was caught in a drug screen. He did not at any time seem impaired and others were as surprised as I was.
 
Volitation said:
Unfortunately some drug, and alcohol, problems don't come to light until something bad happens.
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In that case nothing "bad" happened except a failed drug test. What I'm trying to say is that sometimes you will never be able to tell by casual observation so if you think residual amounts will cause someone to be zombielike or bouncing off the walls, that is not necessarily true.
 
Everskyward said:
In that case nothing "bad" happened except a failed drug test. What I'm trying to say is that sometimes you will never be able to tell by casual observation so if you think residual amounts will cause someone to be zombielike or bouncing off the walls, that is not necessarily true.
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On the other hand, I've witnessed that with NO drugs or alcohol involved!
 
LDJones said:
On the other hand, I've witnessed that with NO drugs or alcohol involved!
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But unless you're talking about yourself, you're pretty much guessing about the NO. It might be an educated guess, however...
 
DFH65 said:
The reality is, assuming a competitive market place, aircraft maintenance and security provide by the carriers would sort itself out in the market. An airline with cheap seats but planes that regularly fall out of the sky would not be in business long. Security could be done by the airlines and passengers could make the same market driven choices. What we have today is ineffective and nothing but an act to make people feel safe.

As for the topic at hand get a lawyer but I guess a few people have already said that. :)
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Sure... But who wants to be on the first six that crash while the market is figuring it out?
 
Kritchlow said:
Point is... Many of us don't want pot heads sharing the sky with us.
Clean up your act or get out.

Sorry to be so harsh.
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Agreed. Marijuana use doesn't excactly speak to great judgment, nor does it in any way improve cognitive performance.
 
Sean Man, why didn't you tell the officer " 'snot mine"?? You could claim it belongs to a friend or that it's not your car etc. Now everybody assumes you are the po-theed. *shrug*

But seriously, like others said, clean up your act if you want to fly again. Us sober guys don't like sharing the sky with druggies, drunks, dopes etc. I don't discriminate what substance is abused - anybody under the influence is NOT welcome on the road or in the sky in my book.
The only high I need in my life is aviation. Every time I fly, it makes me feel great. You don't need pot to feel that. Wishing you a speedy recovery.
 
James331 said:
Not that long ago booze was illegal, it was also illegal for blacks to vote, lots of other stuff too
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Reminiscing about the good old days old man? o_O Times change, get with the program ...

James331 said:
Lay off the Fox News man
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This makes no sense aviation or otherwise.
Is your position: FOX = Anti Marijuana and CNN/MSNBC et al are Pro-marijuana?
 
James331 said:
... shooting up weed, yeah lol
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Learn to recognize a joke.;)

James331 said:
I'd also wager a few of your friends use drugs, I'd also wager so do you.
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Was that directed at me? I hope not because you would lose your wagers. I can say with all honesty that I have never done a drug in my life, never smoked (or tried smoking) a cigarette, cigar, weed, etc.
 
orange said:
Learn to recognize a joke.;)

Was that directed at me? I hope not because you would lose your wagers. I can say with all honesty that I have never done a drug in my life, never smoked (or tried smoking) a cigarette, cigar, weed, etc.
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Drink booze, beer, or coffee?

Rx meds?

Energy drinks?


All drugs, all worse then weed
 
Kritchlow said:
Yup. I don't want stoners in the sky. The FAA is a federal thing, not a state thing. Sit home and smoke your bong. Please stay away from my airplane. Not sure how much more clear I can make it.
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It's not clarity that missing. It's that you need to smoke a bowl and mellow out. A lot.
 
Kritchlow said:
Sure... But who wants to be on the first six that crash while the market is figuring it out?
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OT, but we've already had a minimum of four. The assertion that it would take the market any time at all to account for them if DHS were suddenly de-funded tomorrow, is silly. Both service provider and consumer know the score. One would assume the most conscientious airlines would be the ones who lost friends.
 
mulligan said:
This thread is giving me the munchies
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Couple of guys that were taking off in a 172 the other day..they looked pretty happy

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James331 said:
Lol mindless puritans.

So you drink?

Smoke cigs?

Any rx medication?

If the answer to any of those is "yes" you have absolutely zero room to talk about something as harmless as smoking some leaf.

As long as you're not drinking booze or smoking week or on rx meds while flying it's none of anyone's damn business.
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No, No and No...

Oddly though, I actually don't have a problem with Marijuana consumption as long as you aren't flying (or driving etc.) while impaired.

That being said, marijuana consumption is a violation of Federal Law, and aviation is controlled by the Feds, not the states. If a pilot is willing to violate Federal law and consume marijuana knowing its a violation of federal law, what other corners might he or she cut, or rules might he or she break while flying? I am not accusing anyone, just posing an open question.
 
Kritchlow said:
pot heads should not allowed to fly. Period. It's not just about the drug.
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I am curious how you would define a 'pot head'. Is this someone that smoked pot once, or is it someone that smokes pot regularly, or is it someone that smokes so much they can't hold a job? Just curious where you personally would draw the line.
 
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