Anybody want to buy a nice 310?

The 310 definitely spoils you on W&B. It's more or less an "if it fits it ships." It doesn't surprise me that the 425 is more like the 421 where you have much less room to play with. Same goes for the 340/414.

Glad to hear your first flights were so much fun! :)
 
The 310 definitely spoils you on W&B. It's more or less an "if it fits it ships." QUOTE]

Depends on the model. The R model has that nose compartment and that makes a world of difference in W&B compared to older 310s.
 
Got some left seat time today in the pattern. The first flight was total fire hose and really just doing what I was told. Today was the first time I got to run the checklists and fly "on my own". No help from the right seat unless I was about to screw it up.

Engine Start -
(I'm skipping a whole bunch of preliminary items)

*Battery On.
*Check voltage
*Boost Pumps on - check annunciators
*Starter On - check annunciators

There is a very large starter/generator driven off the accessory drive of each engine. The starting amperage is huge to get these turbines started, as in 800 amps. The battery needs to get the engine RPM(Ng) to a minimum of 12% and preferably as close to 20%. Max Ng represents an RPM of 37,500 so the battery and starter has to get the rotating mass to 6,000 RPM before any fuel is added.

*Over 12% NG move condition lever to Run.
*Check Fuel flow indication

Now the fun part. Eyes must immediately go to the ITT(inter turbine temp) gauge. The goal here is to ensure you don't create a $350,000 pile of molten metal. The limit is 1090*C for two seconds. I had a new battery installed prior to delivery and I've not seen a start temp over 700*C yet. If you see the needle moving quickly you need to pull the condition lever to off right damn quickly.

*Monitor the start annunciator which will go out at 42% Ng
*Above 52% Ng turn off the starter.
*Check all engine gauges for proper indications
*Increase power to 68% Ng
*Generator switch on

Remember that starter that was just drawing 800 amps to get that motor turning? It is now a generator and will be recharging that battery to begin the start on the other side.

*After generator output on started engine is below 200 Amps repeat the steps to get the other side started.


This all happens pretty quickly and today was accomplished in about two minutes.

This plane is actually lighter on the controls for taxi than the 310. Also there is a ton of residual thrust with the power levers at ground idle. Don't pay attention and you'll be doing 50 kts in short order. Thankfully there is beta and unless you want to be buying lots of brake pads you have to use it. It doesn't take the thrust to zero, but much closer.

The pre takeoff checks in this aircraft are critical for flight safety -

1. Electric Trim check. Flight can be continued if the checks fail, but circuit breaker must be pulled for flight and you're trimming by hand. The trim is effective and runaway trim is a bad deal.

2. Overspeed Governors. There are actually three systems to ensure the prop won't over speed. This is simplified, but there are basically two prop governors that act in series and a third system that will cut fuel when it senses an over speed condition. This check entails flipping a switch which causes the secondary prop governor to have a lower limit than normal. So when you throttle up with the the system in test you can't go to the normal governed limit of 1900 RPM, but instead will stop at 1700. When the switch is released the prop will go back to 1900 and you know you have redundant control.

3. Auto feather check. This is a go/no-go item and must be checked prior to every flight. This system uses the torque sensing systems and once armed will automatically feather the prop if the torque drops below a set value. Vmc is not a pretty number in this aircraft with one not feathered and the other turning full steam. The four blade props create a huge amount of drag and in the case of an engine rolling back on the initial climb and the auto feather failing you better be on your A game or you're probably going to have a bad day.

Ok lined up ready to go. Hold the brakes, bring up the power levers to about 1000 lbs of torque, check the auto feather armed and let go. We were light today, about 1800 lbs under gross, and she shot forward with a bit of ferocity. Things are happening quickly, but a quick a quick scan of the engine gauges, get the torque closer to the limit of 1240 lbs and ... there goes 100 kts. The 310 requires a bit of a tug to leave the runway, but the conquest kind of came off by itself. This plane is very light, but stable compared to what I've flown in the past. Positive rate, gear up. Pitch up to 8* - 10* which will give about 150 kts.

I have to stress that it took me far longer to type that paragraph than it does to actually happen. It is so fast compared to what I'm used to. I leveled off at 2000 agl and we were through 200 kts in a few seconds. We tried a few different power settings to get a feel for speeds and trim conditions. It is deceiving because the plane is so much quieter and the turbines give far fewer tactile cues. I don't think this is a plane to fly by the seat of your pants. You will eventually find yourself in a place you don't want to be. Pitch, power, performance or something like that.

I was very pleasantly surprised at the flying qualities of the conquest. It was very light on the controls compared to what I'm used to in the 310, but was also more stable.


The only "gotcha" on landing is that the power on the engines doesn't come off perfectly evenly and when those big four bladed props go flat they create so much drag. You feel a very pronounced deceleration when you pull the last bit of power, and due to the unevenness, you tend to get a yaw on very short final that you must be aware of. Once you are past that the trailing link landing gear make you look like a hero. Grab a handful of levers and go into reverse and she stops quickly. We landed on a 3000 ft strip and were easily stopped by midfield with minimal braking. Sweet.


Should be flying a 600 mile xcountry on Wednesday.
 
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Got some left seat time today in the pattern. The first flight was total fire hose and really just doing what I was told. Today was the first time I got to run the checklists and fly "on my own". No help from the right seat unless I was about to screw it up.

Engine Start -
(I'm skipping a whole bunch of preliminary items)

*Battery On.
*Check voltage
*Boost Pumps on - check annunciators
*Starter On - check annunciators

There is a very large starter/generator driven off the accessory drive of each engine. The starting amperage is huge to get these turbines started, as in 800 amps. The battery needs to get the engine RPM(Ng) to a minimum of 12% and preferably as close to 20%. Max Ng represents an RPM of 37,500 so the battery and starter has to get the rotating mass to 6,000 RPM before any fuel is added.

*Over 12% NG move condition lever to Run.
*Check Fuel flow indication

Now the fun part. Eyes must immediately go to the ITT(inter turbine temp) gauge. The goal here is to ensure you don't create a $350,000 pile of molten metal. The limit is 1090*C for two seconds. I had a new battery installed prior to delivery and I've not seen a start temp over 700*C yet. If you see the needle moving quickly you need to pull the condition lever to off right damn quickly.

*Monitor the start annunciator which will go out at 42% Ng
*Above 52% Ng turn off the starter.
*Check all engine gauges for proper indications
*Increase power to 68% Ng
*Generator switch on

Remember that starter that was just drawing 800 amps to get that motor turning? It is now a generator and will be recharging that battery to begin the start on the other side.

*After generator output on started engine is below 200 Amps repeat the steps to get the other side started.


This all happens pretty quickly and today was accomplished in about two minutes.

This plane is actually lighter on the controls for taxi than the 310. Also there is a ton of residual thrust with the power levers at ground idle. Don't pay attention and you'll be doing 50 kts in short order. Thankfully there is beta and unless you want to be buying lots of brake pads you have to use it. It doesn't take the thrust to zero, but much closer.

The pre takeoff checks in this aircraft are critical for flight safety -

1. Electric Trim check. Flight can be continued if the checks fail, but circuit breaker must be pulled for flight and you're trimming by hand. The trim is effective and runaway trim is a bad deal.

2. Overspeed Governors. There are actually three systems to ensure the prop won't over speed. This is simplified, but there are basically two prop governors that act in series and a third system that will cut fuel when it senses an over speed condition. This check entails flipping a switch which causes the secondary prop governor to have a lower limit than normal. So when you throttle up with the the system in test you can't go to the normal governed limit of 1900 RPM, but instead will stop at 1700. When the switch is released the prop will go back to 1900 and you know you have redundant control.

3. Auto feather check. This is a go/no-go item and must be checked prior to every flight. This system uses the torque sensing systems and once armed will automatically feather the prop if the torque drops below a set value. Vmc is not a pretty number in this aircraft with one not feathered and the other turning full steam. The four blade props create a huge amount of drag and in the case of an engine rolling back on the initial climb and the auto feather failing you better be on your A game or you're probably going to have a bad day.

Ok lined up ready to go. Hold the brakes, bring up the power levers to about 1000 lbs of torque, check the auto feather armed and let go. We were light today, about 1800 lbs under gross, and she shot forward with a bit of ferocity. Things are happening quickly, but a quick a quick scan of the engine gauges, get the torque closer to the limit of 1240 lbs and ... there goes 100 kts. The 310 requires a bit of a tug to leave the runway, but the conquest kind of came off by itself. This plane is very light, but stable compared to what I've flown in the past. Positive rate, gear up. Pitch up to 8* - 10* which will give about 150 kts.

I have to stress that it took me far longer to type that paragraph than it does to actually happen. It is so fast compared to what I'm used to. I leveled off at 2000 agl and we were through 200 kts in a few seconds. We tried a few different power settings to get a feel for speeds and trim conditions. It is deceiving because the plane is so much quieter and the turbines give far fewer tactile cues. I don't think this is a plane to fly by the seat of your pants. You will eventually find yourself in a place you don't want to be. Pitch, power, performance or something like that.

I was very pleasantly surprised at the flying qualities of the conquest. It was very light on the controls compared to what I'm used to in the 310, but was also more stable.


The only "gotcha" on landing is that the power on the engines doesn't come off perfectly evenly and when those big four bladed props go flat they create so much drag. You feel a very pronounced deceleration when you pull the last bit of power, and due to the unevenness, you tend to get a yaw on very short final that you must be aware of. Once you are past that the trailing link landing gear make you look like a hero. Grab a handful of levers and go into reverse and she stops quickly. We landed on a 3000 ft strip and were easily stopped by midfield with minimal braking. Sweet.


Should be flying a 600 mile xcountry on Wednesday.

GREAT write up.....

Bring the new toy out to Jackson Hole and I will buy ya a nice dinner, adult beverages.... and we can visit...:yes:
 
We are all enjoying vicarious pleasure from your posts Eggman. Thank you for taking the time to share all of it with us!
 
Fuel to play in the pattern for an hour - $500

One hour of engine reserves - $175


Having to pull the throttles back to keep from hitting the barber pole. Priceless.


Btw, 'barber pole' is my new favorite aviation term. When I get close I start to think of it as my Mach meter. :rofl::goofy::yesnod:

Vmo is 0.52 Mach in this plane. :D

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This journey has been pretty incredible. I sold my FG Saratoga only 30 short months ago.
 

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While we're patting you on the back, whatever your industry did to get the egg production back up after your bird disaster, thanks.

Fried rice without egg in it, sucked. ;)
 
That checklist made me actually miss flying a turbine, then you posted the fuel cost. Kids in college, and all that.
 
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That checklist made me actually miss flying a turbine, then you posted the fuel cost. Kids in college, and all that. :rolleyes2:


With contract fuel and flying high it gets much better. On a normal trip the cost of fuel should be under $200/hr or about $0.75/mile. That is actually very close to what I spend on fuel per mile in the 310.
 
While we're patting you on the back, whatever your industry did to get the egg production back up after your bird disaster, thanks.

Fried rice without egg in it, sucked. ;)


Prices have returned to normal. We now face two issues as an industry. There is a huge groundswell to go cage free, and demand destruction that occurred due to the very high prices caused by AI. Food companies formulated out and getting back in is going to be very difficult.
 
Another great flight this morning. We started up in KSOY(Sioux Center, IA) and climbed to 17.5k. We did various power settings and configurations, steep turns, OEI work, stalls, and emergency descents - which are something else. Pull the levers to flight idle and pitch for the barber pole of 230kts. Requires about a 15* nose down attitude and gets more than 6,000 fpm downhill. I didn't fully realize how much stress relief there was going to be not having to worry about the engines. CHT's, cooling, ect.

After the airwork we flew down to KOLU(Columbus, NE) and shot an approach. Shut everything down so that I could do a bit more work on checklist and flows. We blasted off on an IFR clearance back to KSOY and filed for FL230. With the props turning 1700 RPM and torque at 1340 lbs, which is the max for that altitude and temps, we saw 285 ktas. Woot woot! We had to shoot an approach for real returning to KSOY and got to experience some light icing to boot(see what I did there?).

The trailing link landing gear really do make even this average pilot look pretty good. :)
 
And pictures....must have pictures.... :)

Have you had a chance to list your 310 anywhere yet?

Cheers,
Brian
 
We are all enjoying vicarious pleasure from your posts Eggman. Thank you for taking the time to share all of it with us!

Seconded. I know nothing about these types of airplanes other than when I walk by them on the ramp and they are running, I like the sounds and smells they make. It's not like their pilots are very accessible nor interested in talking so it's really cool that you're giving us peasants a little bit of education on the subject:)
 
It's not like their pilots are very accessible nor interested in talking so it's really cool that you're giving us peasants a little bit of education on the subject:)

Have you ever tried? I'm sure a few would be that way but I would hope the majority would take the time to answer any inquiries. I would! :D
 
Seconded. I know nothing about these types of airplanes other than when I walk by them on the ramp and they are running, I like the sounds and smells they make. It's not like their pilots are very accessible nor interested in talking so it's really cool that you're giving us peasants a little bit of education on the subject:)


Thanks guys. I got my private in 2003, and bought a fixed gear Saratoga that fall with about 75 hours TT. I got my IR in the spring of 2004 and over then next few years flew it quite a bit through about 2009. The wife and I had five kids in those years and my career got a little busy, and by 2013 the 'Toga wasn't flying very much. I was living the airline life and hating every damn minute of it. I wanted to rid my life of the airlines and knew that a turboprop was probably the answer, but with almost no retract or multi time it was going to be nearly impossible without an intermediate step. I looked at Senecas, Barons, and then finally let Ted talk me into a 310 with the idea that I was going to fly that for 3 - 5 years minimum. I was able to put far more hours on the 310 than I thought was going to happen and the #'s on a turboprop started to look less insane. So here I am learning how to try and fly to pro standards and safety levels. Had a lot of great help along the way.

My experience on the "pros" is that the only guys who are asses are the ones who have been flying bigger stuff for less than five years and still haven't disabused themselves of the notion that they don't actually put their pants on any different than the rest of us. I've been with a few Netjets crews that were completely awesome. I was on a flight once in the back of an excel and the salt and peppered captain came back, opened the booze drawer, grabbed a few mini vodka bottles and asked us if we wanted one too. Of course he was kidding and that was just his way of letting us know where the supplies were.
 
The plane also has two little switches for the 'no smoking' and 'fasten seatbelt' lights in the main cabin. Now I have to practice my.....ah... captain voice...ah.... for the.....ahhhh..... briefing. :)
 
The plane also has two little switches for the 'no smoking' and 'fasten seatbelt' lights in the main cabin. Now I have to practice my.....ah... captain voice...ah.... for the.....ahhhh..... briefing. :)

Easy! Just tell 'em what they wanna hear, "we'll be on time, smooth ride"! :D
 
And pictures....must have pictures.... :)

Have you had a chance to list your 310 anywhere yet?

Cheers,
Brian

I haven't made up my mind on the 310 yet. I'm still working on a nice presentation package with some proper photos before/if I list it.

The best I can do on photos is the ones my mom took when we went to Phoenix so my parents could take a ride. The stumbled upon some big hole in the ground in Arizona and went in for a closer look. ;)image.jpegimage.jpegimage.jpegimage.jpegimage.jpegimage.jpegimage.jpeg
 
Fantastic pics of that big hole in the ground. How is it flying around there w/ other aero vehicles doing the same? A frequency ya'll use and/or strictly see and avoid to prevent near hits?
 
Another great flight this morning. We started up in KSOY(Sioux Center, IA) and climbed to 17.5k. We did various power settings and configurations, steep turns, OEI work, stalls, and emergency descents - which are something else. Pull the levers to flight idle and pitch for the barber pole of 230kts. Requires about a 15* nose down attitude and gets more than 6,000 fpm downhill. I didn't fully realize how much stress relief there was going to be not having to worry about the engines. CHT's, cooling, ect.

After the airwork we flew down to KOLU(Columbus, NE) and shot an approach. Shut everything down so that I could do a bit more work on checklist and flows. We blasted off on an IFR clearance back to KSOY and filed for FL230. With the props turning 1700 RPM and torque at 1340 lbs, which is the max for that altitude and temps, we saw 285 ktas. Woot woot! We had to shoot an approach for real returning to KSOY and got to experience some light icing to boot(see what I did there?).

The trailing link landing gear really do make even this average pilot look pretty good. :)
Come to LNK so you can take us for a ride!
 
Fantastic pics of that big hole in the ground. How is it flying around there w/ other aero vehicles doing the same? A frequency ya'll use and/or strictly see and avoid to prevent near hits?

I wasn't onboard for that flight. My father and I don't fly or drive together as a matter of risk mitigation for business continuity, and I had a pilot with me on the trip who took them up for the flight.
 
Sign off? pffft.
I spent 10 min on youtube watching how to start a conquest II in a flight sim plane. I am now fully qualified to be PIC on flight sim.:D

FTFY. :)
 
Sign off? pffft.
I spent 10 min on youtube watching how to start a conquest II in a flight sim plane. I am now fully qualified to be PIC.:D

Qualified? Maybe. Insured? Not so much.

I'm far more concerned about insured.
 
Have you ever tried? I'm sure a few would be that way but I would hope the majority would take the time to answer any inquiries. I would! :D

+1

Airplanes are a common bond. That's why we are all here isn't it :)

Pilots are pilots and most of us love to talk about our planes and flying. Many of the folks flying turboprops commercially spend a lot of hours of boredom on the ground waiting for the trip back - I think most would welcome the distraction as long as they aren't trying to get ready to depart with passengers.

I am amazed at the number of times having just flown into an airport and securing the airplane for the day, the crew of some kerosene burning expensive aluminium plane will wander across the ramp to check out my lowly Aztec. The older ones most often have stories about flying Aztecs or other piston twins as they were working their way up the ranks.
 
Sign off? pffft.
I spent 10 min on youtube watching how to start a conquest II in a flight sim plane. I am now fully qualified to be PIC.:D

Ya, but can you do the full run-up while you are taxiing?
 
Making me nostalgic for my Cheyenne days. Sounds like the Conquest is really quite similar (although I'm sure lighter on the controls). Too much fun!
 
Fantastic pics of that big hole in the ground. How is it flying around there w/ other aero vehicles doing the same? A frequency ya'll use and/or strictly see and avoid to prevent near hits?

Can't be any worse than flying the Golden Gate bridge and SF bay....did that last Saturday and OMG they need a traffic cop up there....some were talking to NORCAL approach, most weren't..... :eek:

Awesome pics of the hole and great looking bird. I'm looking for a piston twin in the next 12-18 months, so just curious.... :D

Cheers,
Brian
 
The plane also has two little switches for the 'no smoking' and 'fasten seatbelt' lights in the main cabin. Now I have to practice my.....ah... captain voice...ah.... for the.....ahhhh..... briefing. :)
My Twin Beech does too. There are also external speakers in the cabin.... I just need to figure out how to activate the PA feature on the Garmin audio panel and I'm in business!
 
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