Whats the aviation job market actually like?

Clip4 said:
That’s what I am asking because you seem to think they do stuff they don’t.
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Ha. You made 3 incorrect statements on what ICAO's purpose is. So I ask you to define what ICAO actually does which it seems you can't answer. Perhaps take the time to enlighten yourself a bit on ICAO as they do not protect peoples jobs as you imply -- that is what labor unions do.:rolleyes:
 
hindsight2020 said:
Just not in the timing he thinks he can emulate based on anecdotes closer to your experience. When that expectation is the inflection for whether or not to pursue it in the first place (given the imposition of debt), I think that's quite relevant to the conversation.
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In the context of the OP's question, I absolutely agree. But then again aviation isn't the career for you if there's an expectation of x job in x number of years - macroeconomic indications be damned.

As for myself, I understand that my experience is anecdotal, but at the same time I consider my path to be pretty typical for those on the civilian side. The OP should want nothing to do with my career - it took me ten years from when I started instructing to get hired where I am now. Eleven years to break six figures. The journey has been fun and I'm happy with my QOL these days, but I'm no unicorn either.
 
A guy that doesn’t fly wants a second career as a pilot. A whole lot of you don’t know what you don’t know. Many here do know, but just in case someone doesn’t, here goes.
1500 hrs does not make you a hireable super pilot. Assuming you have atp minimums, you still have no real world experience. I’m sure there was a time when atp minimums might get get you a job, now you are just one of many.
The jobs out there sound great on paper, but airlines and corporate are the only one I know of that actually pay well. To get to either of those there is a time if crappy low paying jobs.

I flew Alaska last summer, paid $145/DAY plus $50 for each hour over 2.5. Best day I had was about $325. Pipeline hourly isn’t great, about $20, but you can get some serious hours. Idaho backcountry pays $50/hr by the tach, fueling, loading, passenger brief isn’t on the clock, maybe get 400hrs May though October. Most non-airline or corporate jobs just don’t pay.
I’m just under 1700hrs, 60 pic in TBM, Caravan, PC12. 115 multi, seaplane single and multi, 1150 tailwheel. I applied for right seat for a cj2 part 91, didnt get it.
The pilot shortage might be a bit overstated.
 
schmookeeg said:
Pro tip: When you turn a "fun" hobby into a job, it draws in all of the "suck" that every job has and stops being fun.
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The old saying from the career guys and gals is flying used to be "fun" back when they had to pay for it.
 
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