[Video] Cessna Crash on HWY 69 near Tyler, TX

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  1. AggieMike88

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    Oh wow. That hit hard. Hope they're ok.
     
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    Wow...

    It has been a rough couple weeks for GA (or it seems like)...seems like he could have landed on the road or crash landed into the trees without stalling it and he would have been alright.
     
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    what mscard said hope they will be ok
     
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    Maybe they were trying to make the grass strip? Had a problem and tried to stretch the glide? Awfully close to where they crashed. CFI on board too.
     
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    The one good thing about that video is that it shows lots of people stopping to help.
     
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    Missed the turn to make the road and tried re-align but stalled first?

    It appears they were turning away from the grass strip and going for the road. Last moment change from the grass to the highway because of the power lines they would have had to clear?
     
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    I'll take the road for $100 Alex.
     
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    Go around gone wrong?
     
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    PUSH damnit. That's all I could think of watching that.
     
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    Push and turn right! Big, beautiful freeway to land on......
     
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    Except the person filming! Which will help with the investigation. But man, once it crashed get yo ass out and go help.
     
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    It's a dash cam. They weren't sitting there holding it. :) (if we're talking about the same video)
     
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    Dunno Nate, but ok, they're forgiven. ;) :D
     
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    Yea, me too, and 'that right yellow line looks like a nice center line', hindsight, but still, it looked nice
     
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    And when did 69 become a 4 lane..??? Man, I have been out of Texas too long....
     
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    Probably a taco truck or three there now too Zeldman. :D
     
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    Nice of that white dualie to stop...

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    Looks like it could have been power loss during takeoff or a go around. Tried to turn on to the highway but lacked the energy to make the turn, stall, spin and crash. When the plane first appeared it didn't look like the road was in play. Trees one way or another.

    Looks like my home airport and highway in NC. I think about that situation a lot.

    Poor TV guy was pressed into pure conjecture about what was going on. When you view the crash film you discover the opposite.


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    Pretty much what I was thinking. He appeared to be departing and lost power. His general direction when he entered the video was away from the airport. The accident spun him in a direction more facing the airport. I guess that is what the reporter based his SWAG on. That is why reporters should not make guesses, they are normally wrong. You'd think they'd teach that in journalism school but they all seem to want to appear smart so they engage their mouth before gathering facts and analyzing them.

    Where is your home airport in NC?
     
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    Looks like he was in a right turn and afraid of too steep a turn, therefore added left rudder and cross control stalled it in to the left. POA speculation only.
     
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    It was a police officer's dash cam that caught the video.
     
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    Glad that the pilot and pax were OK. That was a pretty hard crash. Good thing that the stall occurred close to the ground, though not stalling at all would have been preferable.
     
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    And as a police officer, was probably communicating what he had just witnessed to dispatch before getting out and checking
     
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    Looked like he had the turn made, maybe the trees coming up caused him to pull and stall(trying to tighten his right turn). I can see how it would be hard to judge the turn and get lined up with the road when climbing out, forward(and below) vis isn't the best. I don't know if they had any power, seems pretty nose high. He wouldn't necessarily have to have been on left rudder(much) since when it stalls it has to break one way even if only slightly off it could have been pretty much coordinated. It has to break one way or the other, right?
     
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    It appeared to me that he initiated the turn to try and put it down on the highway, but did so too late. Since he was trying to make that right turn to land on the highway, he didn't lower the nose to maintain above stall speed. If he had pushed the nose over 2 seconds earlier, he probably makes the landing, but the stall and subsequent left spin were the result.
     
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    Perhaps, or the turn to the road was a lost cause. Just as with a tow rope break, land/crash straight ahead unless you have the energy, per the practice drills, to turn it around. All Monday morn QBing...


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    Thanks. Denverpilot pointed that out in a post above too.
     
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    This is the field they were taking off from (attached). 6X0
    Apparently this was early PPL flight instruction in student's (or relative's) C150.
    An instructor (not the one in the accident) told me a few days before his concern about weight/bal issues, and refused to instruct.

    We had a Cheyenne go down just after liftoff aprox a month ago. High time ATP driver.

    Been a while since we've had anything more serious than gear failure landings at TYR/vacinity. Dammit!

    I dunno....
     

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    That's hard to watch. I have to wonder if somehow it was tail heavy.
     
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    Right turn, left aileron goes down, critical AOA was exceeded on the left wing, left wing stalls first.

    It's a spin entry. 20' higher they'd be very dead.
     
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    I don't mean to nitpick at you specifically, but, could we (the royal we, man) stop saying this every time a crash occurs? It appears that pretty much every other day there are posts about crashes or incidents, and invariably someone says "it's been a bad week for GA". But really, that's not the case; what's happening is the 24 hours news cycle and, well, the internet. I'd say that there's no such thing as a "rough couple weeks for GA", it's just that every accident or incident is posted on the news or online across the country, and in many cases accompanied by video. What's the saying, "if it bleeds, it leads"?

    If you really want to see a "rough week for GA", go to the NTSB page and look through the accident database; there are accident reports and synopsis starting in January, 1962. Pick a week, any week, from the '60s through the mid-'90s. You might be amazed at the sheer number of accidents that occurred weekly back then.
     
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    I agree here mostly but give. His low altitude when he got to the road I don't know that he initiated the turn to the highway too late. Turning a little sooner and getting to the Hwy at a less sharp angle may have meant clipping trees or being short of the Hwy. he had enough time and the right turn was complete. He got wings level but had one problem. He was out of airspeed and too high. If he had "flared" 10-15' lower he'd have greased that landing.

    Certainly not armchair quarterbacking. The intense stress in that situation would get the best of most of us!
     
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    Glad they made it out relatively intact. I would not have believed anyone could have survived that crash.
     
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    Ok, watched it again on a better computer, and I agree, looks like a spin entry.
     
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    Thanks, that location explains the attitude the plane is at in the video, he was still attempting to climb out. I'm not sure he ever gave up on the climb, maybe was just turning to avoid the trees, vs trying to put down. ???
     
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    Looks like there was back pressure on the yoke all the way down. If the nose was lowered at the 4 second mark looks like a smooth, straight landing. Very easy to second guess. They did a great job of clearing the trees, that looked like the hard part.
     
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    Doesn't matter. Without airspeed they had NO options. You MUST put the nose down even if you're going to hit the top of the trees on the right in the video, to have the energy to make the right turn. There's literally no other way that has a better outcome.

    This is an example of energy and speed management. How you got there is immaterial. If you find yourself low and slow you have to push.

    That has to be an immediate and instinctive reaction ingrained completely in your brain at low altitude with a loss of thrust. There's no excess horsepower anymore to go up. The only way to maintain control is to go down.

    I'd bet dollars to donuts the stall horn is blaring before they arrive in the camera frame.
     
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