Traffic pattern question: do you ever...

My best entry ever was in the back seat of an F-14 at Miramar NAS with a 5g break over the runway. The Pilot with about 3000+ hours in the Tomcat decided this USAF Engineer needed some excitement. I felt a lot like Goose with Maverick up front. Nothing like it.

No clue what the rule is for that type of thing.

Cheers
 
dtuuri said:
Why must you shout?
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What in his post constitutes shouting? If you're referring to the italics, that's a standard option for quoted material.

That would put them 3.5 nm beyond the airport plus their radius of turn, more for faster aircraft. Not a very good thing to advise for student pilots unless you want to disorient them and get them lost, if not kill them outright during a premature descending turn into the downwind.
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I was not taught to fly that far out when flying the "ampersand," but I still have found that it's easy to lose track of where the airport is, especially at an unfamiliar destination. That's one reason why I like the procedure you recommend when approaching from the non-pattern side of the airport. One question I have though is that if your direction of travel is not parallel to the runway, how do you avoid making a right turn when joining the upwind? I tried to find something about pattern entry on your Web site but was unsuccessful.
 
Palmpilot said:
What in his post constitutes shouting? If you're referring to the italics, that's a standard option for quoted material.
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Hard as heck to reply to.

Palmpilot said:
One question I have though is that if your direction of travel is not parallel to the runway, how do you avoid making a right turn when joining the upwind?
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If you join on a corner, you don't make a right turn. But I think the Chief Counsel has made it clear enough that right turns to join the traffic flow are not considered a violation of the spirit of 91.126(b)(1). (See Grossman or Gossman? interp last year I think.)

Palmpilot said:
I tried to find something about pattern entry on your Web site but was unsuccessful.
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I'm just putting together an IFR Course there. Too slowly, I admit, but other priorities have preempted me for awhile. Not giving it up though.

dtuuri
 
I'd love to see someone try to make a 45-degree entry to a right base at KGWS. ;)
 
Having done both AG low alt time sensitive and DZ high alt time sensitive ops, sometimes flying a 100% normal pattern doesnt quite work.

My cardinal rules,

1) make sure you are flying the standard traffic direction for the airport (right or left)

2) Keep your head on a swivel

3) use the radio

4) be nice
 
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