To the darkside

I never cared for Apple because the products tended to be over-priced and under-powered. More style than substance, was my impression, and the "always works smoothly" thing was just because you were entirely limited to what they allowed you to do. A golden cage, but a cage nonetheless. When cell phones became a common thing, I got a Droid and never looked back. I've enjoyed the flexibility of Android immensely, and have stuck with Pixel phones specifically to avoid the dreck that other phone companies make mandatory.

All that said, I have an iPad Mini and an iPad Air because some apps just plain work better on Apple, such as Garmin Pilot. While I still find the base Apple interface clunky and unintuitive, it's clear that most companies are putting far more time, effort, and attention into their Apple apps than they are their Android counterparts. I guess it's because while most of the planet uses Android, most of the people with money (and especially those with more money than time or inclination to fool around with technology) use Apple products of some description.

Ultimately, it's horses for courses. My phone is a Pixel because it has everything I want and nothing I don't. My watch is a Citizen Eco-Drive, because it tells me the time and doesn't require me to charge it. My home computer is a PC, because I can build it myself and get exactly what I want for better performance/dollar than Apple provides. And my flying tablet is an iPad Mini because it works flawlessly with GP and my Garmin panel.
 
StraightnLevel said:
Yeah, speaking of that:

How do you stop an iPad from constantly asking for your password?

It does this to me several times a day, then if I am stupid enough to actually enter my password, it locks me out and forces me to use a different device to respond to an unlock email.

WTF?!??!?!

If it weren't for Foreflight, I would have tossed this thing in the trash already.
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none of my ipads or the iphone do that. It’s possible that my use of face-id and touch-id prevents the behavior you are experiencing
 
Bob Noel said:
none of my ipads or the iphone do that. It’s possible that my use of face-id and touch-id prevents the behavior you are experiencing
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Yeah, I would prefer to have none of that at all.

I don't care about "security", I just want it to work when I pick it up. The only thing on it is Foreflight, and I am very careful to not put any other information on it that could be of value to a hacker.
 
StraightnLevel said:
Yeah, I would prefer to have none of that at all.

I don't care about "security", I just want it to work when I pick it up. The only thing on it is Foreflight, and I am very careful to not put any other information on it that could be of value to a hacker.
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you can turn off the passwords.... basically, anyone can turn it on and use it.
 
Bob Noel said:
you can turn off the passwords.... basically, anyone can turn it on and use it.
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How? I've turned off everything I can find, but it still does this.

My wife, who is an avid user of i-things, said the same thing, until I handed it to her and asked her to find the security item that was enabled. 2 hours later, she gave up.

:dunno:
 
Racerx said:
Just ordered an iphone. I hate myself already. But ill be saving 130 bucks a month and be able to use it as a backup to my ipad when that over heats.
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Wow, I just made this transition too -- coming off decades on android. The transition has not been smooth for me -- hope yours does better. I'm using the iphone hotspot to supply wifi to my android phone when i come across situations where I haven't yet migrated "that app" to the iphone and am in a hurry. It's been odd going.

But all my friends and fam are super happy to see blue bubbles.. :P

The tiebreaker for me was smashing my ipad on a long XC and trying to use garmin pilot on my pixel phone as a backup, and realizing how pathetically gimped the android version was.
 
StraightnLevel said:
How? I've turned off everything I can find, but it still does this.

My wife, who is an avid user of i-things, said the same thing, until I handed it to her and asked her to find the security item that was enabled. 2 hours later, she gave up.

:dunno:
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Setting -> face id & passcode -> turnoff passcode
 
AvNavCom said:
I guess it's because while most of the planet uses Android, most of the people with money (and especially those with more money than time or inclination to fool around with technology) use Apple products of some description.
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Gotta throw a flag on this one: I have an iPad and an iPhone but not the money ... :biggrin:
 
schmookeeg said:
Wow, I just made this transition too -- coming off decades on android. The transition has not been smooth for me -- hope yours does better.
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My transition from Android to iPhone was difficult and frustrating too. There are things that nobody tells you about how to use Apple devices, and they are not intuitive. Even just moving the cursor around when composing a text - press and hold the spacebar, then slide the cursor where you want it. Apparently you're supposed to figure that out on your own. Lots of little things like that. Once you gain experience with it, though, it gets much better.

One thing that I like is the fairly long service life. My Android devices - and my wife's Android phone for a couple years after I got the company iPhone - seemed to be hopelessly out of date a year or so after buying them. I was mighty ****ed off when I bought a new Motorola Droid, and less than six months later when the new version of Android was released -- nope! Not supported, can't upgrade. Ditto for my wife's Samsung phone. Apple devices seem to be able to run the latest OS version a lot longer. Maybe that's changed since I abandoned the Droid environment, I don't know.
 
I have passwords turned off on my mini's as well, and only use them for EFB's, or I turn the password on if travelling and watch a couple of downloaded movies.

But, it still asks me to input the Apple ID for the device when installing things... or sometimes it will just pop up and ask. Probably out of retaliation because it knows it's either a future .308 target or Office Space re-enactment.
 
Skyrys62 said:
I have passwords turned off on my mini's as well, and only use them for EFB's, or I turn the password on if travelling and watch a couple of downloaded movies.

But, it still asks me to input the Apple ID for the device when installing things... or sometimes it will just pop up and ask. Probably out of retaliation because it knows it's either a future .308 target or Office Space re-enactment.
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Yup - this, precisely, except that mine asks for it CONSTANTLY, not just when installing or updating things.
 
StraightnLevel said:
I did that. That turns off the 6-digit passcode, but it doesn’t stop it from asking for my password at random times.
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the iphone doesn't have a "password"

so, I guess I don't know what you are talking about.:dunno:

I wonder what app you installed on the iphone that needs a password.
 
StraightnLevel said:
Why would I need to be signed into iCloud?
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I don't believe that you do need to be signed in icloud. Another possibility is itunes

I've found itunes to be really @(#*$& annoying. And, sorry, I don't remember how I got it to stop.
 
DaleB said:
So it doesn't constantly prompt you for the password to your Apple account.
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That makes no sense.

I don't want anything stored in the cloud. My goal is to NOT be logged into anything nor have anything stored where I cannot get to it in flight (or any other situation where internet is not available).
 
StraightnLevel said:
That makes no sense.
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Let me ask it in another, possibly more accurate way. Are you logged into your Apple account on your device, and is that the only Apple account you have?
StraightnLevel said:
I don't want anything stored in the cloud. My goal is to NOT be logged into anything nor have anything stored where I cannot get to it in flight (or any other situation where internet is not available).
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Having your data stored in iCloud does not preclude access without an Internet connection. You can have everything stored locally, and a backup in iCloud. It also has benefits like not needing to re-enter all of your contact information when you replace your phone, photos and text messages available across all of your devices, things like that. As unbelievable as it may seem, this is all designed so that people are able to use their devices without Internet access.
 
If you are not logged into your ICloud account it will need your Apple ID to verify its you and not someone else trying to put something on your phone. If it's a pay for app, Apple needs to know what account to charge.
 
StraightnLevel said:
That makes no sense.

I don't want anything stored in the cloud. My goal is to NOT be logged into anything nor have anything stored where I cannot get to it in flight (or any other situation where internet is not available).
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you can sign into icloud without having ANYTHING automagically uploaded to the cloud. I don't think that there is one master switch to turn it off, but it isn't brain surgery to turn off letting apps use icloud, turn off icloud backups, turn off icloud whatever.

I know it's possible because that is how I configure every single idevice (4) and apple computer (6) I have.
 
StraightnLevel said:
How do you stop an iPad from constantly asking for your password?

It does this to me several times a day, then if I am stupid enough to actually enter my password, it locks me out and forces me to use a different device to respond to an unlock email.

WTF?!??!?!
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That is... Not normal. When does it ask for a password? Is it asking for the passcode that you use to unlock the screen, or an AppleID password, or something else?

schmookeeg said:
But all my friends and fam are super happy to see blue bubbles.. :P
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Hahaha! I'm sure they are, this is a real thing... I hate green bubbles because it means I only get those messages on my phone, whereas iMessages come through on all my devices that have an Internet connection at the time. Plus, I can react to blue bubbles and various other features.

Daleandee said:
Gotta throw a flag on this one: I have an iPad and an iPhone but not the money ... :biggrin:
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It's kinda like having an airplane, right? "Oh, you have an airplane, you must be rich!" "No, but I used to be..."

Skyrys62 said:
But, it still asks me to input the Apple ID for the device when installing things... or sometimes it will just pop up and ask. Probably out of retaliation because it knows it's either a future .308 target or Office Space re-enactment.
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No, that's for security so that someone can't pick up your iPad and install random things on it. But this sort of thing is where Face ID/Touch ID are very useful. I wouldn't go without them!
 
Mikey52 said:
If you are not logged into your ICloud account it will need your Apple ID to verify its you and not someone else trying to put something on your phone.
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Sure.

Why does it ask for it when I'm not loading anything or updating anything?

From the stand.point of using a tablet solely as a EFB, once my app is loaded and configured why would I ever need to log into anything other than Foreflight?
 
StraightnLevel said:
I don't want anything stored in the cloud. My goal is to NOT be logged into anything nor have anything stored where I cannot get to it in flight (or any other situation where internet is not available).
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ForeFlight stores everything locally.

FWIW, Apple doesn't automatically store everything in the cloud the way other vendors tend to. They actually ask you first, with a prompt, and they let you say no.

I think part of the reason they pester you to log into your Apple account is for security. Once you're logged in, nobody else can wipe the device clean without your AppleID and password. If you don't log in, someone else can swipe it, do a factory reset, and easily sell it.

In addition, there are some iCloud services that are worth enabling, such as Find My in case you lose it, iCloud Keychain if you have any other Apple devices (so that passwords you use on one are available on the others), those are the big ones to me.

Here's some things you should configure (or ensure are configured) for an iPad that you're going to be using as an EFB:
1) Turn off automatic app updates to ensure it doesn't decide to update when you're on the takeoff roll... Settings -> Apps -> App Store -> App Updates
2) Turn off automatic iOS updates, wait for ForeFlight to test them and send out the "OK to install" email and then update manually. Settings -> General -> Software Update - Automatic Updates. (Automatic downloads can be turned on.)
3) If it asks you if you'd like to offload apps to save space, say no. To check on this setting, Settings -> Apps -> App Store -> Offload Unused Apps

Albany Tom said:
:) I wasn't making a comment on apple as much as the music industry, and I'll stand by my stereotype. Pun maybe intended.
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Macs have LONG been the choice of creative types, because Apple has leaned into that market since the beginning. Whereas office type stuff and specialty programs have usually been on Windows, anything dealing with graphics, design, audio, video, etc, Macs have always been the first choice.
 
flyingcheesehead said:
anything dealing with graphics, design, audio, video, etc, Macs have always been the first choice.
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Agree...however I did see that start to diminish somewhat with folks I know. Not sure exactly why, but they said that preference was no longer the case. My speculation was it had something to do with pricing, software compatibility, and support/parts/repair convenience.

or maybe it was the passwords ;)
 
Skyrys62 said:
Agree...however I did see that start to diminish somewhat with folks I know. Not sure exactly why, but they said that preference was no longer the case. My speculation was it had something to do with pricing, software compatibility, and support/parts/repair convenience.
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Yes. It's related to hardware.

The creative folks tend to need the highest-end systems, loaded up with the fastest CPUs, the most RAM, video cards that could heat your house, etc. Apple hasn't done the best during a couple of time periods at ensuring those folks' high-end needs are taken care of. The worst was when their "trash can" cylindrical Mac Pro was out from 2014-2019 - First, it didn't support internal PCIe cards which are often required by creatives, and then they left it unchanged for six years due to the challenges of the physical design, which is an eternity in computers. The design was more form than function, and Apple even admitted after a few years that they'd royally screwed up, and introduced the iMac Pro as a stopgap while they worked on the 3rd-gen Mac Pro.

Then, after coming out with a new Mac Pro that was a far better design for the creative market in 2019, they transitioned the entire Mac lineup from Intel to Apple Silicon, and of course the high end (which always presents the most daunting technical challenges) came last, so the Mac Pro again went without an update for a while. This time, the Mac Studio appeared on scene to take up some of the slack.

But, of course, you can *always* build a PC yourself, and there are many different PC makers with new hardware coming out all the time, so during those longer gaps between updates, Apple really lagged behind, and that really hurt them in that core creative market. I would expect that things have probably shifted back towards Apple in the last couple of years because of the speed of Apple Silicon and that the whole market is used to Macs.
 
Reading the thread title I thought this was going to be about eating at Taco Bell...
 
Tf is “clean energy charging”? It’s not gonna charge as fast because I don’t have wind or solar? Yeah…that’s getting turned off.
 
Racerx said:
Tf is “clean energy charging”? It’s not gonna charge as fast because I don’t have wind or solar? Yeah…that’s getting turned off.
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No, it charges only when your local grid has more clean energy in the mix, and it alerts you to that fact so that you can tell it to "charge now" if you need to.

It's also been there, and on by default, since iOS 16, meaning that apparently I've had it on for 2 1/2 years and never even noticed... So I guess I don't feel the need to turn it off.
 
And now for whatever reason I don’t have a period, or other punctuation on the qwerty keyboard without pushing “123” when posting here. But if I try to go to a different web address, it shows up.
 
resistance is futile
 
Racerx said:
I want less alerts in life. Not more
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Maybe "alert" isn't the right description. I've never seen it myself. Just saying, there's a way to turn it off per-charge if you need it to charge fast right now.
 
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