The testing center has accused me of cheating on my IR written.

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  1. denverpilot

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    Why? He admitted his agency goes after people who cause them do work. Not by any sort of sense of real priority.

    Nobody here thinks FAA written tests have any sort of real meaning in the era of Sheppard, right?

    I certainly can’t trust that piece of paper (now IACRA score) and blindly believe a student actually studied and retained anything on one.

    And I’m not allowed to by law, anyway.

    Fairly useless overall in the grand scheme of things.

    FAA created their own rules mandating investigations by their staff. They can drop them if they like. None of us are allowed to believe those scores or results anyway.

    Guess who fails their practical if they don’t know the material and who gets investigated for not teaching it?

    At best the written shows an honest student really studied. At worst it shows they drilled and killed. The CFI still has to sign that they taught and assessed all of it.

    So who cares if there’s a giant cheating ring at AF? Only FAA. None of the rest of us trust their test or are allowed to.

    I trust those “There are hot singles in your area who want to meet you” pop up ads more than I trust the results of an FAA written without observing the student myself. LOL.

    You’re not getting out of a solid assessment and training by any good CFI because you scored 100% on any FAA written. You’re definitely not getting past the DPE if your CFI fell for it. :)
     
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    Someone, Chris Rock maybe, did an excellent routine about thinking first then taking action second. One of his examples was the time to show off your new pistol or practice your quick draw is not when/where a cop can see you. Be smart and pick your battles carefully.

    I've had some extremely unpleasant encounters with police. Some were solved by biting my tongue, accepting the ticket, going to court, and let the judge chew out the cop for being stupid. Result embarrassed cop, no ticket, and no points.
     
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    Nate, that’s like 69,000 characters long. Either your cured or the thumbs are working at great dexterity in hyperdrive. Which is it?
     
  4. SixPapaCharlie

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    These are really great questions

    Did the test proctor actually say that he was reporting you just to punish you, or are you (and apparently Denverpilot) just assuming that?
    His words were "I reported you because I don't take lightly being associated with this sort of nonsense."

    Did he report you for cheating, or for saying you were cheating (or for your post)?
    He didn't say. The Testing company stated I am being reviewed for suspicion of cheating. So I assume so.

    Why did you tag the testing center, instead of making the joke without the tagging?
    I am an absolute idiot. I flat out wasn't thinking. I stand by the joke. Tagging them was a mistake and tagging them is what I apologized for.
    That was the line and I crossed it. For completely unrelated reasons I deleted my facebook account a few hours after the test. I had been planning it for a couple weeks.
    He mentioned that stating "Obviously you realized what you did as you deleted your facebook account after that post"
    That seemed like a weird thing to point out but when we talked he was all over the place. ONce I said "I apologize for tagging your company and I probably would have reacted the way you have, he said "It's all good" I offered to apologize publicly and he said "There is no need for that"
     
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    There was a joke?
     
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  7. Arnold

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    That is quite different from he said he wanted to punish you which is what you originally reported.

    The truth will set you free.
     
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    Where did I say, "annoying but innocent" ?
    I said (in summary): if you poke the bear, make sure you're innocent.
     
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    Its all good. I'm retiring this week, and I plan to NEVER work in any sort of law enforcement role again. After 30+ years, I'm ready to move on.
     
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  10. Arnold

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    Are you familiar with the term situational awareness or SA? It is more than "where am I and what's going on around me" it is also "how will my next action effect me? How will it effect others?" This is aviation, the minute you stop thinking is the minute you execute a career or life limiting maneuver. My unsolicited advice, get it together or get out of aviation. You are one truly scary pilot.
     
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    You've never been in a plane with me.

    Question
    Am I scary driver?
    Am I scary father?
    What about my job? Am I a scary leader at my company?
    Am I a scary musician?

    I was lying in my bed when I made this joke.
    Am I scary in bed? I need to know. Sounds like you know.

    Please let me know based on what you know about me where you think I'm scary in life.
     
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    Not exactly. At my agency (like nearly all jobs), I have superiors to answer to, and my time is limited. If I'm repeatedly called to investigate someone, over and over, my butt starts to get put on the line if later its found that I've missed or overlooked something. My butt even gets put on the line if the person I'm investigating keeps getting more and more flagrant (finally more solidly crossing the legal line), and its later questioned why it wasn't stopped "when we had the chance to stop it." So, if I was investigating Bryan for a reported statement, and it is easily found to be a joke, its simple: case closed. But then I'm called to investigate him again, and again its found to be a joke, okay, closed again. But if I've met Bryan several times, and its later found that Bryan likes to pull a Jeffrey Epstein and take young girls flying to his sex island (I know, a stretch of an example, but I'm just saying), guess who becomes the scape goat for my agency and gets **** canned for not finding it? I also know its also public perception as you said that those in law enforcement don't get in trouble for errors or wrong doing, but its not true where I work. Its just that at my job, the job terminations are not made public notice. So, if it were my agency, after dealing with him several times, I'd make sure EVERYTHING is in order with Bryan, Bryan's records, Bryan's flying, etc. And if I do find something wrong, I put the hammer down, because that clearly shows that I'm doing my job. But, maybe the FAA doesn't work like that. Like I said, I don't work for them.

    Seems like people like you Denver want things two ways: You want the investigators held accountable. When they are held accountable and so they take action, you chastise them for acting.
     
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    Something i've tried to learn in my life, and get it now and again. I don't always have to make the joke.
     
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    I do want to make something clear. I don't have a sex island.
     
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    Actually I think she was the one lying
     
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    Could always adopt this place as your home away from home!

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    Yeah, make a great sex island if you enjoy sex with diminutive wild animals.
     
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    Ah...still joking I see...
     
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    Beaver Island? YES!
    Hog Island? NO! (But unfortunately, I think I may have visited Hog Island in my younger "any port in a storm" days)
     
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    I made none of those assertion. All those questions are irrelevant. You know you are playing weak hand. You are setting up straw men.

    For me the issue is you didn't think more than two seconds ahead. In aviation that is scary.

    Let's review:

    You posted on facebook stating explicitly that you were cheating on an exam, and you made sure the testing center knew you had done so.
    You were then quick to post here that someone in authority is investigating.
    This is not the first time.
    You have admitted to being "stupid" your word not mine.
    You misrepresented the phone call between you and the testing center misstating that they wanted to "punish" you when in fact, you later admitted they never said that. So you are a liar as well.

    Your actions are those of an immature, self centered, attention seeking narcissist. I'm not sure you are one, but that is your behavior here. That is a combination that has proven to be deadly in aviation.

    So yes. I find it scary that you may be anywhere near the same airspace I am in. Others might not. I do.

    On a different note:

    As an IT guy I would have though you could make a more logical argument.

    Your argument is either: I'm not a scary father therefore I'm not a scary pilot. or You don't know if I am a scary father so you can't know if I'm a scary pilot.

    Either one is a fallacy. Being a scary father and being a scary pilot are unrelated. Knowing if you are a scary father and knowing if you are a scary pilot are similarly unrelated.

    I would never make the assertion that in all aspects of your life you are scary. I am making the assertion, based on the evidence you provided, that sharing the sky with you scares me.
     
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    Really, why? You may be correct.
     
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    More hubris
     
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    I'll respond to this when I get to the office I'm on the highway right now.
     
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    If it’s not obvious to you I really dont have the energy to explain it to you.
     
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    @Arnold - Chill out

    This is likely one of @SixPapaCharlie's least funny comedic exploits, but being "not funny" is no reason to impugn his decision making in real life situations.
     
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    You forgot to hashtag the Texas Highway patrol. #distracteddriving
     
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    I think making declaratives about his competency as a pilot is uncalled for.

    The only thing that bothers me in that respect is the “and I’m not going to stop” attitude, which, if true, certainly hints at one or more of the faa hazardous attitudes, that seems to be unacknowledged. But that has nothing to do with flying, and, as with everything coming from Bryan, should be taken with a grain of salt.

    Bryan, you shouldn’t stop being funny. But you should consider if the joke is worth the consequences to yourself and more importantly others. Here’s what Denver does not seem to get: Joking about cheating on a test isn’t a problem. Joking about cheating while calling out the organization you’re claiming you cheated, within hours of taking a serious test is a problem. It creates an illusion of impropriety that isn’t fair to that org. They had no option to participate or not in the joke. Like I said before, if you hadn’t tried to make it appear real by including them then I don’t think I’d see any problem with the joke at all.

    I would be upset if this resulted in any permanent punitive action against you, because as Nate says, it is clear it was a joke, but I don’t feel bad about you having to deal with another investigation.
     
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    I think folks need to calm down a bit.

    Class-clown has been sent to the principals office for doing his class-clown thing. Doesn't mean he is an axe-murderer.
     
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    You missed the point: It is not about his humor. It is about his decision making. And the only area of his life I care even a little bit about is his flying.

    I don't get it. This guy exhibits numerous indicia of a dangerous pilot and half this board thinks the only thing wrong was the joke wasn't funny. I've been a CFII for 41 years. I've been party to accident investigations. I've seen the outcome. I don't want him to quit flying I want him to sit up and take notice that this was more serious than a joke gone bad, that it represents a repeated pattern of decision making that will inevitably end in harm to himself or others or both. I don't know this guy, judging by the number defenders he has here he is a good guy with a great sense of humor. But could one of you guys get his attention and let him know that it was not a stupid mistake because he got called out, or because the joke wasn't funny, but because it exhibits a complete lack of situational awareness and self awareness. It was a failure to think through and consider the possible consequences.
     
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    You opinion is noted.
     
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    I, on the other hand, do know this guy. I've flown with him in both of his (current) airplanes. I'm also in one of his clever videos.

    It's probably also true that my series of "forced vacations" from PoA are indicative of poor decision making that could... <-- Not
     
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    It's because most of us understand that poor decision making in one area doesn't necessarily imply poor decision making in another.

    I was at a bachelor party down in Mexico last year with a bunch of other pilots, and I can guarantee that *plenty* of poor decisions were made. :) That doesn't mean we carry ourselves in the same manner on the flight deck.
     
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    I was at a bachelor party down in Mexico last year with a bunch of other pilots, and I can guarantee that *plenty* of poor decisions were made. :) That doesn't mean we carry ourselves in the same manner on the flight deck.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah but he was taking an FAA exam. So it was aviation.
     
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    Well luckily for you, you live in Philly and likely wont 'share the airspace' with Bryan anytime soon. Sooo....lighten up Francis.
     
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    Of course I meant I am not going to stop having fun.
    I absolutely acknowledge, I have to think past the laugh moving forward.
    And I do agree I have earned the reaction and don't think at any point I have denied I brought this on myself.
    When I said I am not going to stop I was referring to Creative, thinking, Writing, Joking, Etc.
    But for sure I acknowledge I went far with the tag. No question, that was a mistake.
    Having "gone after" Cirrus, Dynon, Sporty's, etc and all of them having bantered back with me, i made the mistake of not differentiating this from that and I understand now they are very different things.
    Sporty's recommending a specific flight bag on my YT channel because in addition to a shovel, duct tape, and rope it also has a compartment for lime and cement makes it feel like it is okay to involve other entities in my crap. This (I NOW understand) is not the same thing.

    Please don't interoperate anything I have posted as I have not learned a lesson from this. I don't always communicate fully and don't always realize I haven't communicated fully until someone responds as you did.
    I absolutely have to "think past the laugh" <-- Which is now on a sticky on my monitor.
     
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    No I wasn't. I was in bed. I was pretending to be taking an FAA exam.
    I'd say you should never pretend to fly with me. That is where I am scary.:)

    I still like you by the way.
     
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    I apologize to you for the joke about feeding my dogs anti-freeze. I saw your comment and felt bad about that part.

    I love my dogs. I would never in a million years bring harm to an animal.
    I let spiders in my house go outside because I don't like to harm anything living.
     
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