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Ugh. I'll start over......
Does this mean that Angel Flight Central can go back to being Angel Flight instead of whatever that forgettable name was that they came up with after the original ruling?
Not unless AF-Georgia lets them.Does this mean that Angel Flight Central can go back to being Angel Flight instead of whatever that forgettable name was that they came up with after the original ruling?
I guess that depends on your perspective. The blurb could have as easily been written asToday was a landmark day in Volunteer Aviation. Mr. Ed Boyer of Angel Flight America suffered an appeals defeat, 3-0 in his attempts to takeover the Angel Flight servicemark and prohibit others from using it. In fact, his use of the “Angel Flight” servicemark is junior to that of AF of Georgia, and both the cease and desist as well as the prohibition from use was reaffirmed unanimously today.
BTW, my writing that was not taking sides. I have no idea of the politics that led to the lawsuit and I'm certainly in no position to say who was the good guy and who was the bad guy in this one.Today was a sad day in Volunteer Aviation. Angel Flight America suffered an appeals defeat, 3-0 in its attempts to have the Angel Flight name and logo recognized throughout the country by dedicated organizations banded together in a common goal. The cease and desist AF of Georgia obtained prohibiting others from use in certain parts of the county was reaffirmed unanimously today.
Not surprising. As organizations grow, the politics and the turf wars start. But the politics tend to be in the organization. The way I figure it, so long as they do missions and pilots can fly missions when they are available, I really don't care about the petty squabbling, the egos, or whether the flights are by angels, with grace, or simple give people a lifeline.Boy am I confused now. I work with Angel Flight East. I was told they are not part of Angel Flight American and may have even had some issues with them.
Yes they did. Harry Morales was an independent thinking guy who didn't like overhead and paying a national office. His organization co-operated with everybody but did not pay obesiance to AFA (or fees to the National). Charitable dollars are too hard to come by. He ran a GREAT orgnaization and we worked with him. His orgnaization persists and prospers today.Boy am I confused now. I work with Angel Flight East. I was told they are not part of Angel Flight American and may have even had some issues with them. I know they coordinate a lot of flights with Angel Flight Georgia.
AF Georgia has NEVER objected to another organization using the name (and still does not). It was only when Boyer told AF-G that they could not use the name, that they sued.Not unless AF-Georgia lets them.
..When you are setting up to make six figures doing this, you are subverting the good will of men.
Sign me, Chairman of the Board, Lifeline Pilots, Peoria, IL 2003-2005
I wouldn't automatically do that. Despite whatever politics or personalities are at work, all the organizations do the work and do it well. And remember that when listening to Bruce, the chairman of the board of Lifeline, you are not listening to an unbiased reporter and there is no one here to tell the other side of the story (there almost always is one).I'm going to be attending a health fair next week. I was going to be representing both LifeLine Pilots and Angel Flight Central. I admit that I'm starting to have second thoughts. I've done three legs for the former and one for the latter. I represented them both at the Clow Cavalcade of Planes last year. I'm starting to wonder if I should just deal with LifeLine Pilots!
I wouldn't automatically do that. Despite whatever politics or personalities are at work, all the organizations do the work and do it well. And remember that when listening to Bruce, the chairman of the board of Lifeline, you are not listening to an unbiased reporter and there is no one here to tell the other side of the story (there almost always is one).
For example. Lifeline is just beginning to get missions in Colorado. Angel Flight has many. Would you deny patients flights because you don't like AF's internal politics? I know I wouldn't. IMO, that's just as bad as this sad fight over names and fundraising.
Lifeline Pilots (not Lifeline Midwest is a national organization that is centered in the midwest. Lifeline Pilots =is= in Colorado. I should know. I'm a member.As for not having Lifeline Midwest in Colorado, there could be a reason for that.
Someone will have to give you information about what, other than AF, may be available in Florida. The AF Southeast (the good guy or bad guy in the case we've been discussing) web site is http://www.angelflightse.org/ You might find references to some other organizations at the Air Care Alliance web site at http://www.aircareall.org/listings.htmAll,
Currently, I'm not with any volunteer flight organization, but I'm shopping. What would be the options for a guy based in FL and wanted to contribute in the SE area? Goods/Bads.
Also, please comment about liability issues and release of liability.
Thanks....
...So, your liability protection is pretty much your aviation insurance policy.
The good news is that your risk is pretty low. I'm no longer directly involved in the organization itself, but it may still be true that compassion pilots have a zero accident rate when on a mission (Bruce?). ...
I know that there have been a few instances where there have been accidents by pilots either on the way to or back from a pickup/drop off. However unfortunate any accident, fortunately,those don't involve liability for injuring a patient.Not on the mission but Peter Tomarken and his wife crashed flying to pick up a patient.
I know that there have been a few instances where there have been accidents by pilots either on the way to or back from a pickup/drop off. However unfortunate any accident, fortunately,those don't involve liability for injuring a patient.
Of course not. Did anyone suggest otherwise?Mark,
I can appreciate your comments and an accident can happen for what ever the flight was intended for, and I can't see how the purpose was the cause for any accident. .