The Legend of Al Mooney

Mooney is the trick candle of aircraft manufacturers. They've died and come back to life I think 12 times now!

They have. The factory is right down the road from me and seeing the 201 articles in the flying rags growing up, I’ve always lusted after one.

With what I know about them now, I’d prefer a 310hp analog Ovation 2 and do my own panel upgrade, but I feel like that’s not really a good spend of $300K+ while still motoring along with the same engine that’s responsible for most of Cirrus’ chute pulls.
 
With what I know about them now, I’d prefer a 310hp analog Ovation 2 and do my own panel upgrade, but I feel like that’s not really a good spend of $300K+ while still motoring along with the same engine that’s responsible for most of Cirrus’ chute pulls.
Not much difference between the Ovations 1/2/3. The 3 has the 310hp STC from the factory; the differences from the "1" to the 2 were the avionics and prop and if you redo the panel and get the 310hp STC it doesn't matter from whence you started, you'll end up with the same plane.

FWIW, IMO there is nothing at all wrong with the IO-550, whether the G or the N. I think the main reason they have trouble with the Ns on Cirri is that in a Cirrus there's no blue knob so it runs 2500 RPM all day long (except 2700 for takeoff/climb) and I don't know a single person with a 550 and a blue knob that runs it that way. In fact, I had a LOT of people who used to tell me I'd never make TBO in a 550, I think from their experiences working on/owning Cirri, but ours (that we run at 65%/WOT/2300RPM LOP) is still humming along at 2400+ hours since new. We've still got the 280hp G, and it is *plenty* of power, in fact the plane is still overpowered if anything. The only reason we'd bother with the 310hp is if we do end up needing an overhaul before the engine shops get back to something resembling normal - There are 550-Ns that can be had "off the shelf" in some places because of their popularity thanks to Cirrus; if it comes down to being grounded for 6-12 months or more vs doing the N upgrade we may go that way but it isn't for need of more power.
 
Al W. Mooney was my grandfather and my hero. He was six foot four inches tall but when I looked at him he was 10 feet . He was a humble man and good and honest man.
Anybody making jokes about him, all I can say is you don't really know who he was then.
 
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Al W. Mooney was my grandfather and my hero. He was six foot four inches tall but when I looked at him he was 10 feet . He was a humble man and good and honest man.
Anybody making jokes about him, all I can say is you don't really know who he was then.
The jokes aren't about him, they're about those of us who revere the fantastic work that he did!
 
The jokes aren't about him, they're about those of us who revere the fantastic work that he did!
Bingo!

Most Pilots see a Mooney and say. "Looks cramped in there." (They are correct by the way)
Then a Mooney owner will tell you how tall Al was so you know it is allegedly not as cramped as other pilots believe it is.
Then the non-Mooney pilots make fun of Mooney pilots by exaggerating how tall Al was. That, and suggesting people buy Bonanzas is basically the life blood of this forum.

If the grandchild of William J. Bonanza reads this, we're cooked.
 
Most Pilots see a Mooney and say. "Looks cramped in there." (They are correct by the way)
No, when they're correct they say "That looks fast!" :D

Then a Mooney owner will tell you how tall Al was so you know it is allegedly not as cramped as other pilots believe it is.
Do I look like I need to talk about the size of anyone but myself?

Then the non-Mooney pilots make fun of Mooney pilots by exaggerating how tall Al was. That, and suggesting people buy Bonanzas is basically the life blood of this forum.
And yet, you didn't listen. You bought the Poor Man's Bonanza... And so I must ridicule you and tell you how superior my Rich Uncle's Bonanza is.

If the grandchild of William J. Bonanza reads this, we're cooked.
It's Walter J. Bonanza isn't it? And while a Mooney is a sports car, a Bonanza is all a van.
 
Bingo!

Most Pilots see a Mooney and say. "Looks cramped in there." (They are correct by the way)
Then a Mooney owner will tell you how tall Al was so you know it is allegedly not as cramped as other pilots believe it is.
Then the non-Mooney pilots make fun of Mooney pilots by exaggerating how tall Al was. That, and suggesting people buy Bonanzas is basically the life blood of this forum.

If the grandchild of William J. Bonanza reads this, we're cooked.
To be fair, most of us have different aspect ratios from Al.
 
And whilst the two low wing designers were arguing amongst themselves on speed and comfort…Cedrick C. Cessna was swimming in his pool full of gold coins from high wing sales. The peoples choice. Sky Wagons, full of what the people want. Comfort, class, carrying ability. Seggsy strutless sleek Cardinals with ultra efficient lines and class leading doors. Commuter 150s for the cash conscious crowd. Cool circular tails on creative 170, 190, 195s. Twins that outperform Moonies wettest, wildest dreams.
 
And whilst the two low wing designers were arguing amongst themselves on speed and comfort…Cedrick C. Cessna was swimming in his pool full of gold coins from high wing sales. The peoples choice. Sky Wagons, full of what the people want. Comfort, class, carrying ability. Seggsy strutless sleek Cardinals with ultra efficient lines and class leading doors. Commuter 150s for the cash conscious crowd. Cool circular tails on creative 170, 190, 195s. Twins that outperform Moonies wettest, wildest dreams.


I asked AI to elaborate on Cedrick C. Cessna for us.

The Legend of Cedrick C. Cessna

In the age before time—or at least before tricycle gear—when barnstormers still feared crosswinds and grass fields claimed many a pride, there arose a man of humble purpose and tremendous rectangle-energy.

His name was Cedrick C. Cessna.

The Birth of Practicality

Where Al Mooney looked upon the sky and whispered, “Speed,” Cedrick looked at the same sky and muttered, “Eh… let’s keep it simple.”
He wasn’t here to reinvent flight. He was here to make it available in bulk.

Before Cedrick, airplanes were dangerous, impractical, and usually on fire. Pilots wore goggles and scarves because of it. But Cedrick saw a better way—a future where anyone, even an accountant, could slip the surly bonds of earth for $89.99 an hour (wet).

The Revelation

Legend says Cedrick’s first words after flight school were:

“This needs cupholders.”

He believed in comfort. He believed in stability. He believed that if the stall horn sounded friendly enough, no one would panic.
He didn’t seek performance; he sought predictability.
He wanted wings so forgiving that even if you tried to stall, the airplane would politely decline.

Engineering by Beige

Cedrick
was not a showman. His planes were not sleek, nor fast, nor beautiful. But they were consistent—every one of them looked like it had been designed by a committee and approved by a spreadsheet.

When asked why his planes looked like flying bricks, Cedrick responded,

“Bricks don’t crash; they land early.”

Every design choice was intentional. The square windows? Efficient to manufacture. The flat wings? Easy to build. The lack of speed? Optional upgrade—never exercised.

The Cult of Stability

Other manufacturers bragged about knots and climb rates. Cedrick bragged that you could let go of the yoke, eat a sandwich, and the plane would still be flying mostly straight when you got back.

In a Cessna, the most dangerous thing wasn’t turbulence—it was boredom.

Critics mocked him. They said his planes were slow, uninspired, and flew like refrigerators with wings. Cedrick didn’t care. He simply nodded, adjusted his glasses, and added more dihedral.

The People’s Plane

While Al Mooney forged speed from discomfort and Piper chased elegance with a mortgage payment’s worth of fuel, Cedrick dreamed of accessibility.
He wanted every dentist, chiropractor, and mid-level manager to experience the miracle of flight—and to be able to log it as a tax write-off.

Soon, Cessnas were everywhere.
At every airfield, on every ramp, like aluminum dandelions.
Their engines hummed a hymn of mediocrity that united aviators across generations.
The 150 taught teenagers humility. The 172 taught flight instructors patience. And the 182 taught the rest of us that speed is relative, especially to wind direction.

The Great Rivalry

It’s said that when Al Mooney met Cedrick C. Cessna, he sneered,

“You call that an airplane? I’ve seen lawn furniture with more aerodynamic intent.”

Cedrick only smiled and replied,

“Mine starts every time.”

That single sentence knocked two knots off Mooney’s cruise speed.

The Final Chapter

Cedrick
’s legend grew. People whispered that he never used rudder pedals, yet his coordinated turns were perfect. Some say his first Cessna flew itself before autopilot existed. Others claim he could level wings just by sighing at them.

When Cedrick’s time came, he didn’t ascend dramatically into the heavens like Mooney. He simply climbed to 5,500 MSL, trimmed for level flight, and drifted peacefully into eternity at 95 knots indicated.

To this day, pilots swear they still hear his voice in the headset whenever they reach for the trim wheel too quickly—a calm Midwestern drawl whispering:

“Easy… she’ll get there… eventually.”

Legacy

The Cessna is not just an airplane. It is a mindset.
A flying declaration that says, “I’d rather arrive slowly than not at all.”

So the next time you see a 172 lumbering down the runway, nose high, pilot grinning, remember Cedrick C. Cessna—
the patron saint of stable approaches, the prophet of practicality, and the man who proved that even mediocrity, when mass-produced, can truly take flight.


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Would you like me to write a companion piece next for “The Legend of Glenn T. Beechcraft” (the elegant rival who believed ashtrays should have upholstery)?
 
Al W. Mooney was my grandfather and my hero. He was six foot four inches tall but when I looked at him he was 10 feet . He was a humble man and good and honest man.
Anybody making jokes about him, all I can say is you don't really know who he was then.
Ms Mooney, I see this is your first message. Thank you for joining our group. It is a good group as far a internet groups go. We are not perfect but mostly we mean well.

I believe we are poking fun at you grandfather and the M20 because in his carreer he has done things no one else has done. The M20 is a unique design and he is like the Paul Bunyan of aviation designers. And as tall as he was, the early M20s were pretty small. You have to admit that is pretty funny all by itself. I own a first run 1964 M20E. I love it and will keep it until it is time to stop flying.

Thank you for your service to our country, and welcome to Pilots of America.
 
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Ms Mooney, I see this is your first message. Thank you for joining our group. It is a good group as far a internet groups go. We are not perfect but mostly we mean well.

I believe we are poking fun at you grandfather and the M20 because in his carrer he has done things no one else has done. The M20 is a unique design and he is like the Paul Bunyan of aviation designers. And as tall as he was, the early M20s were pretty small. You have to admit that is pretty funny all by itself. I own a first run 1964 M20E. I love it and will keep it until it is time to stop flying.

Thank you for your service to our country, and welcome to Pilots of America.
Thankyou!
I get it now
FYI I have his original manuscript for the book he wrote with Gordon Baxter.
 
When I was a young girl I visited him and my uncle art by myself at LBJ Lake where they lived. While I was there visiting them they told stories and one evening broke out and song singing deep in the Heart of Texas
That was so cool! It's one of my favorite memories of them.
 
It is cool you have the manuscript. Did he also teach you to fly? Just curious...
 
I was an engineer at Mooney 2016-2020. Best job of my life, great family feel of all the employees. I loved coming across Al and Art's signatures on the drawings. I miss that place.
My grandfather took me and my dad over there for a tour. This is when Roy Lopresti was in charge of Mooney. It was pretty damn awesome seeing my grandfather at the head of a table talking to his colleagues to the employees who are also his colleagues. You miss Mooney I'll tell you one thing I miss my grandfather, when I wanted to be inspired about life I only had to think about him.
 
I want to thank everyone on this forum, I haven't had an opportunity to talk about my Grandfather for a long while. I really appreciate everyone of you. It is nice to hear all the nice things everyone everyone says about my Grandad. I am sorry I misunderstood.
Once in a while I will share something about my Grandad and my uncle Art
But mostly I will read and enjoy.
God bless you all!
 
Thanks for stopping by and participating, and glad that you understand that the jokes are really not about your Grandfather at all, he is truly respected in the aviation community. It’s more of a playful Ford vs. Chevy thing. Mooney owners love their airplanes and like to brag about them while others like to call them out about exaggerating the numbers. It’s all in good fun.

In the late 80’s and early 90’s, I was fortunate enough to become friends with the Northeast Factory Sales rep, who gave me the opportunity to pick up new airplanes in Texas and ferry them to Connecticut. This led to being able to give new Mooney owners their transition training. Then, for several years I worked for a great guy that would allow employees to fly his nicely restored 1962 M20C which my family and I flew on many vacations. I’ll always have nice things to say about Mooneys (except for a certain green and white one based in North Carolina :) ).
 
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I want to thank everyone on this forum, I haven't had an opportunity to talk about my Grandfather for a long while. I really appreciate everyone of you. It is nice to hear all the nice things everyone everyone says about my Grandad. I am sorry I misunderstood.
Once in a while I will share something about my Grandad and my uncle Art
But mostly I will read and enjoy.
God bless you all!
It is OUR pleasure to speak with you! Conversations with Al Mooney's grand daughter don't happen to us every day. I hope we'll be hearing from you again soon!

BTW... I'll be flying my Super21 home tomorrow from 2E8 to KCJR (providing the weather cooperates). Flying it is always a pleasure.
 
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It is OUR pleasure to speak with you! Conversations with Al Mooney's grand daughter don't happen to us every day. I hope we'll be hearing from you again soon!

BTW... I'll be flying my Super21 home tomorrow from 2E8 to KCJR (providing the weather cooperates). Flying it is always a pleasure.
But I promise I will keep an eye on this forum. And anytime somebody has a question if I can answer it I will if I can't which if it's something technical about experience I might not be able to but I might be able to if I look at his original manuscript but I can tell you what kind of man he was. I love this! And being able to talk about him sometimes gives me a lot of joy.
 
I want to thank everyone on this forum, I haven't had an opportunity to talk about my Grandfather for a long while. I really appreciate everyone of you. It is nice to hear all the nice things everyone everyone says about my Grandad. I am sorry I misunderstood.
Once in a while I will share something about my Grandad and my uncle Art
But mostly I will read and enjoy.
God bless you all!

I assume you’ve visited mooneyspace site as well.
 
BTW... I'll be flying my Super21 home tomorrow from 2E8 to KCJR (providing the weather cooperates). Flying it is always a pleasure.
I flew mine KUES-KGPM yesterday. 750 nautical miles/862 statute miles. Total air time 4:48 after getting vectored all around Dallas. Burned about 63 gallons of gas.

My Mooney is a time machine, and an insanely efficient one! Of course, every pilot would love to own multiple airplanes but most of us can't afford that, and I really love having my one airplane be one that is fast enough to be really useful for traveling (what airplanes are best at!), yet cheap enough that I can just go and fly around for fun and not worry about how much it costs.
 
I flew mine KUES-KGPM yesterday. 750 nautical miles/862 statute miles. Total air time 4:48 after getting vectored all around Dallas. Burned about 63 gallons of gas.

My Mooney is a time machine, and an insanely efficient one! Of course, every pilot would love to own multiple airplanes but most of us can't afford that, and I really love having my one airplane be one that is fast enough to be really useful for traveling (what airplanes are best at!), yet cheap enough that I can just go and fly around for fun and not worry about how much it costs.
If your Mooney is a time machine, take me to LBJ Lake back to the 70s where I can visit my grandad!
 
In the beginning, there was slow.
Then along came one man who would change everything.

Long ago, in the sacred halls of an aviation engineering lab, where mere mortals sketched blueprints, one man defied the laws of physics, space, and comfort.
His name? Al Mooney.

Before Al Mooney, aviation was inefficient. Planes were slow, draggy, and worst of all, pilots had way too much room to move around.

Yes, there was a dark time in history when men—careless, selfish men—sat in their cockpits with knees splayed wide, their arms relaxed, their torsos able to shift slightly left or right.
It was chaos. It was reckless.

Al Mooney saw this and said, “No more.”

While other manufacturers wasted precious inches of cockpit width, Al Mooney traded them for pure, unfiltered speed.
Born to design, determined to put an end to man spreading, Al Mooney set out to build a plane that would trick pilots into thinking that if you could still move your fingers, you had “extra legroom.”
It’s said that Al Mooney didn’t learn aerodynamics, he invented it. He didn’t believe in wasted space, excess weight, or “comfortable cabin dimensions.”

To the untrained eye, the cockpit of a Mooney may seem snug, as if it were designed for children.
Critics of the Mooney aircraft often say it’s cramped, that it’s a “flying phone booth”, that getting inside requires making peace
with the fact that once you’re in, you might not get out. And you will look stupid both entering and exiting the aircraft.
There’s no way around it.

But Mooney owners? They will never admit it.

Before a pilot can finish saying it seems cramped, a veteran Mooney owner would appear out of nowhere and proclaim:
“Al Mooney was 6’5 and fit just fine!”

Yet strangely, every time a Mooney owner says it, his height increases.
In the 1980’s, Al was 6 foot 7
By 1995 he was 6 foot 9
In 2020, Mooney owners would state "it is common knowledge that he was 7’1 and wore a top hat while flying.”

We can never know how tall he really was.
We just didn’t have precise measuring systems during his lifetime.
But one thing is true. He did design the most efficient wing in aviation.
A wing so efficient, it could carry 4 very small, uncomfortable people very quickly burning almost no fuel.

Ask a Mooney pilot how fast their plane is. Every time you ask, the speed will increase and the fuel burn will shrink.

With such an efficient wing, it was only a matter of time before someone came along wanting to use the design for themselves.
Meet William T. Piper a man who also wanted the speed provided by the Mooney but also believed pilots should be able to walk freely around the cabin.
We don’t know how tall William Piper was but Mooney pilots are certain he was shorter than al.

Piper dreamed of building a fast beautiful and roomy plane he would call the Comanche, named after the Jeep Comanche which would be developed a few years later.

Initially Al refused to share the design because he said it couldn’t be done. It shouldn’t be done.
Old Man Piper had a trick up his sleeve. By simply doubling the fuel burn, we can go fast, fly high, and pilots can get out of each others’ laps.
Knowing that he would still maintain the bragging rights about fuel burn, Al said "Well I’m not getting any shorter" and agreed.

Al, much taller now, looking down on Piper agreed to bless them with his aerodynamic wisdom.
It is said that Mooney forged the Comanche wing in a lightning storm, hammering the airfoil into existence using pure determination and a slide rule.
When he handed the design to Piper, he didn’t say a word. He just nodded. That nod alone added 15 knots to the Comanche’s cruise speed.

The Comanche would go on to be the far superior aircraft in every single way. Swagger, sound, comfort. All the things that matter most.
Sure there are no parts available and it burns more fuel but it burns it more accurately.
The Mooney is a toy compared to the mighty beast of the Comanche because the Comanche was built by a man! A man that was 5 foot 10 in every way imaginable.
A man that was representative of the men that would pilot his aircraft. PIper stayed the same height from the day he was born until the day he died.
He was always room temperature in both Fahrenheit and Celsius from his first breath until his last.
Consistent, trustworthy, and handsome just like the aircraft he designed with tail mounted control surfaces that faced the proper direction.

In the end, Piper won. The Mooney community was not pleased by this and to soothe themselves, they began perpetuating the legend of Al Mooney.
A continually evolving legend of a giant among men who has become the Chuck Norris of aviation.

It is rumored that Al passed due to hypoxia. He spent most of his life in Denver. Combine the Mile high city with Al's giant stature and the air gets pretty thin.
That's just a rumor intentionally spread to cover up the truth. The truth is Al, got stuck in his Mooney.
He climbed in for one last flight not realizing during the flight that he would grow just enough to not be able to get back out.
Once he became aware of his situation, he turned on the autopilot and flew west.

Nobody knows where he met his fate but Mooney pilots still invoke his name when defending their legroom.
New pilots whisper of the legendary height inflation.

Somewhere, in the Great Beyond, Al Mooney sits, knees together, even taller—probably 8’2” by now, overseeing the aviation world and laughing that the wing he stole from the P-51 still flies two prominent GA aircraft today.


That is the factual truth about Al Mooney and his impact on the far superior Piper Comanche and aviation as a whole.
When Mooney pilots exclaim "Al was a giant and raised a family of giants in the backseat of an M20", you know the complete, accurate back story now.
In the beginning, there was slow.
Then along came one man who would change everything.
I just saw this and I just want to say this is so true!
 
So you are going to laugh at this... I went up to Connecticut this past weekend to attend the funeral of my first cousin. A very sad reason for a family gathering, but it was good to see and connect with family that I rarely see. My first cousin's son is a young man in his 20s and was almost ready ready to fly his helicopter PPL exam, but life got in the way and he stopped short. It happens. But he and his girlfriend came to the airport to see us off and look at my Mooney. So the first thing I did was put them both in the front seats to showoff the inside my plane. HE IS 6 FEET 6 INCHES TALL! With the seat pulled up to the first notch he commented that he had plenty of room and felt comfortable. She is about 5' 5" and is adorable and they make a cute couple. They looked right at home inside my bird!
 
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