Starlink speed limit nerfing

SebIp said:
I see it like this. In flight internet changes so much for GA. Losing it would be a big step back.
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Yeah, my boys would be Internet nuts if we had in-flight Internet, instead of being airplane nuts. *Having* it would be a big step back.
 
Seems like more changes unrelated to our community is happening. A lot of complaints online now about pricing increases or speed downgrades for stationary users.

Guess our complaints will get lost in the noise.
 
SebIp said:
Seems like more changes unrelated to our community is happening. A lot of complaints online now about pricing increases or speed downgrades for stationary users.

Guess our complaints will get lost in the noise.
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Link?
 
Lindberg said:
I pay $85/mo for cable Internet. So he seems to be getting a great deal.
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I pay similar for fibre to the home. 1Gbps down, 1 Gbps up. It's fast but that speed is "fake" in that it's the speed to the ISP, outside the ISP it depends on time of day and the size of pipes between you and your data source. Sustained downloads averages like 300-500 Mbps so been considering paying them less for the 500 Mbps tier.
 
SebIp said:
I pay similar for fibre to the home. 1Gbps down, 1 Gbps up. It's fast but that speed is "fake" in that it's the speed to the ISP, outside the ISP it depends on time of day and the size of pipes between you and your data source. Sustained downloads averages like 300-500 Mbps so been considering paying them less for the 500 Mbps tier.
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So starlink is still a good deal.
 
Ed Haywood said:
That mindset is often attributed to silicon valley entrepreneurs. Not sure if the "break things" part can be fairly applied to someone who built:

- The first successful EV automaker
- The first reusable booster rocket
- The first LEO satellite network
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Um, no. Iridium existed for two decades before Starlink.
 
flyingron said:
Um, no. Iridium existed for two decades before Starlink.
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Did a little digging. I thought GPS might be first, but that is MEO. Iridium was first, true, and the business failed. OneWeb had their first launch a few months before Starlink. They also went bankrupt. I think the common element is space stuff is expansive and you have to have enough cash to weather the setbacks.

SpaceX has it all in-house which has certain advantages in keeping launch vehicles and satellites on the same page. In the case of Starlink v2 becoming the v2-mini, adapting to the lack of planned launch vehicle. Two separate companies would likely be months of development time burned before the pivot. Which makes me guess this is why Amazon LEO is in an jam and are now buying launch from SpaceX and others because Blue Origin is far behind. It’s a tough business.
 
masloki said:
Did a little digging. I thought GPS might be first, but that is MEO. Iridium was first, true, and the business failed. OneWeb had their first launch a few months before Starlink. They also went bankrupt. I think the common element is space stuff is expansive and you have to have enough cash to weather the setbacks.

SpaceX has it all in-house which has certain advantages in keeping launch vehicles and satellites on the same page. In the case of Starlink v2 becoming the v2-mini, adapting to the lack of planned launch vehicle. Two separate companies would likely be months of development time burned before the pivot. Which makes me guess this is why Amazon LEO is in an jam and are now buying launch from SpaceX and others because Blue Origin is far behind. It’s a tough business.
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Well, they also reduced the per kg cost to LEO by what...90%? And I'm sure that's still including a healthy profit margin, so the launches of their own satellites are a fraction of even that. Don't they also throw a few in when they're launching someone else's payload and have some useful load to spare?

I'd love to know how much of this is Elon playing 4D chess vs just waking up one day and saying "well, umm, rockets are cooool, let's do that"
 
Technology marches on. The idea of the LEO IP mesh was presented back when I was actively involved in designing the Internet protocols (I hosted the first standalone Internet Engineering Task Force meeting). It just took time for the technology to catch up. I mean, back around 2000, we were still making deployable things out of Inmarsat terminals. 9600 baud and glad to get it.
 
Waiting on capitalism to work even better is what I am doing.
 
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