Sport Pilot training/plane question

I know you've said you're not interested, but if I were a man of your resources and capabilities, I'd feel silly limiting myself to Sport Pilot. Seems rather lowly for a Type-A high-achiever. You've already got 150 hours and surely considerable skills. It wouldn't take you long to get your PPL. The cost difference between buying and renting for that would likely be trivial and allow you to experience multiple aircraft before committing.
I'm not limiting myself to only a SP, there's simply not an overwhelming advantage to getting a PPL at this time, and based on the shake out of MOSAIC, I may never need one. I have no desire for most GA gas guzzlers. My priorities are safety, speed, modern avionics and bottom line economics. Right now that looks like a VL-3 915is. Pound for pound the 916is is formidable power plant as well.
 
Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Even new planes can have issues, but I get your meaning from a AD and/or airframe/engine age perspective. So are you actually going to start flight training and working on your certificate and possibly purchase a plane/kit or are you going to wait for a final a MOSAIC ruling?
Here's the plan .. in my business experience, I've always thought the only good plan is one that can change but reach the same goal in the same timeframe. So, to answer your question, Yes, Yes and Yes! The latter will determine if I need to get a PPL. Yes, I plan to start training and get my SP cert and maintenance training. Yes, I'm "probably" going to purchase a plane based on what MOSAIC has "already" stated in the NPRM, as I don't foresee the FAA reneging on it's basic premise regarding top speed, stall speed etc. As I mentioned I think MOSAIC will actually be improved upon, don't ask how I know, I don't ... just a gut feeling. And Yes, if MOSAIC "does a debby-downer" ... I may need to get a PPL. If that's the case, I'll already have the plane I wanted, I will have already been flying it "with a PPL buddy of mine riding shotgun" and I can maintain it to the extent Im trained to do. Regardless, I really look forward to the MOSAIC ruling, as it will "dramatically" change GA in America. I realize that's not what most of the "old guard" GA people think. I've had a couple CFI's tell me they wasn't sure what a Sport Pilot was. One said he'd never even heard of MOSAIC? I thought they were kidding ... the truth is, they probably weren't!
 
Sounds like a good strategy. I was wondering how much of your plan was predicated on MOSAIC passing (and I'm fully in the I'll believe it when I see it camp--I have no skin in the game so it doesn't really matter to me if it's adopted or not, but I hope it is). It sounds like you're hedging your bets which is a good thing IMO as in my world hope is not considered a viable course of action.
 
Sounds like a good strategy. I was wondering how much of your plan was predicated on MOSAIC passing (and I'm fully in the I'll believe it when I see it camp--I have no skin in the game so it doesn't really matter to me if it's adopted or not, but I hope it is). It sounds like you're hedging your bets which is a good thing IMO as in my world hope is not considered a viable course of action.
The concept of MOSAIC is really what brought the "what else, besides golf" from the back burner to the forefront and now reality. My choice of plane(s) and pilot cert was never based on MOSAIC passing or not, although it will/could provide more options going forward. Options are good!
 
As I mentioned, I have no particular desire to attain PPL. I'm basing a lot on what shakes out in MOSAIC. Having said that, I can't imagine FAA will renege on what it put out there. In fact, I expect the proposed VS1 to increase a bit, maybe 56-58 knots to include several Vans aircraft, he's pushing it hard! ...
Please, please, pleaseeeeeee put it at 58! My Tampico started life as an Embry-Riddle trainer. It is as docile as a plane can be. That 58 is there to limit high end performance. There is NOTING high end about a Tampico other than comfort. ;)
 
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Here's what I'd like to do, hopefully someone tell me if it's possible. I've yet to run this by a Sport CFI, as I can't find one in my area, yet. My question(s) are regarding "what's already been proposed" in MOSAIC, so pretend it passes as is for my situation. I want to buy a experimental JMB VL-3 w/retractable gear, then find an "capable" Sport CFI and have him/her train me in my own plane, use it for the checkride, cross country etc.... just never use the retractable gear while being trained, either by disabling it, locking it in place or maybe even removing the fuse. Whatever method would be deemed "legally" acceptable, if any. I've read somewhere the retracts can be mechanically locked into place, for sure remove the hydraulic cylinders and cover the holes, JMB offers a kit to do this. Then, after attaining Sport Pilot certification, get the SP CFI endorsement for the retractable gear, and everyone is good to go? Is this currently doable now, or have to wait until MOSAIC is "law", or just train in it until MOSAIC, or fly with someone else as PIC, fly with gear locked until MOSAIC? ... The bottom line is I only want to buy 1 plane and be trained as a Sport Pilot to fly this plane. Any comments or advice, suggestions? Thankx in advance
Here we are a year later & nothing has changed from the FAA side. What decision did you make on this?
 
Here we are a year later & nothing has changed from the FAA side. What decision did you make on this?
At this point, I think the FAA doing "nothing" is a good thing. Like a lot of people I expect MOSAIC to be announced Aug-Sept this year, perhaps at Oshkosh? I bought a 2024 JMB VL3 915IS, it had 23 hrs on it. So Im training in the schools plane and in mine simultaneously on the side. I hope to solo next week, and get a checkride soon thereafter. Continue to fly my plane with CFI until MOSAIC approved, then get his endorsements for constant speed prop, retractable gear, speed and airspace. Since it has 2x G3xs, autopilot and a 750xi, Im taking the same instrument course as a PPL would just to do it. Also, I have my eye on 12 acres that would make a great runway and build a hanger/house on!
 
MOSAIC has been signed, so a lot of stuff will change in 90 days after publication (or 365 days, for some bits.)
 
Please, please, pleaseeeeeee put it at 58! My Tampico started life as an Embry-Riddle trainer. It is as docile as a plane can be. That 58 is there to limit high end performance. There is NOTING high end about a Tampico other than comfort. ;)
Looks like you're good to go! 59kts for the sport pilot and 61kts for the airplane!
 
MOSAIC has been signed, so a lot of stuff will change in 90 days after publication (or 365 days, for some bits.)
Yes, a lot of stuff will change. I flew my solo a while back in their plane but will seek out a CFI for $40 hr to continue training in my plane, a 2024 JMB VL3 915is, and save $200 an hour. There's a lot $40's in $200 hr! Surely a CFI on a professional pilot track could use $40 hr, and log their time in a complex airplane. Im not sure of all the details of MOSAIC, but the stall speeds of 59 and 61 dirty respectively for the sport pilot and airplane is more than anyone could've hoped for! Several models of 4 seaters are in and my buddy said even a twin engine is in. The pilot and single passenger wasn't a surprise to me. Sounds like night flight will still require a medical, no surprise. Retractable gears, speed and constant speed prop are in, woohoo ... both were very important to me in, as my plane has all 3. I expect AOPA or someone else will soon come out with the details of the rule, but needless to say, I'm very happy with the results as I understand them. Hope you are too! Long time coming!
 
Help me understand. 59 for the pilot and 61 for the airplane. Wouldn’t that mean that the pilot wouldn’t be able to fly a plane with a stall speed of 61 knots?
 
Help me understand. 59 for the pilot and 61 for the airplane. Wouldn’t that mean that the pilot wouldn’t be able to fly a plane with a stall speed of 61 knots?

Help me understand. 59 for the pilot and 61 for the airplane. Wouldn’t that mean that the pilot wouldn’t be able to fly a plane with a stall speed of 61 knots?
Yes, as I understand it, a 59 kt airplane is what a "straight up" Sport Pilot using drivers license as the medical can fly. 61 kts is for the airplane that a PPL flying under Sport Pilot rules using BasicMed could fly. Im sure there's several other examples. Such as a PPL whose medical expired before the drop dead date and wasn't canceled or withdrawn, now using BasicMed or drivers license could fly a plane having 61 kts dirty stall speed. Again, not etched in stone, but thats my understanding.
 
Yes, as I understand it, a 59 kt airplane is what a "straight up" Sport Pilot using drivers license as the medical can fly. 61 kts is for the airplane that a PPL flying under Sport Pilot rules using BasicMed could fly. Im sure there's several other examples. Such as a PPL whose medical expired before the drop dead date and wasn't canceled or withdrawn, now using BasicMed or drivers license could fly a plane having 61 kts dirty stall speed. Again, not etched in stone, but thats my understanding.
Not quite. A sport pilot, or higher rated pilot with no medical (exercising sport privileges), is limited to 59kts stall. Any faster requires a private or higher with basicmed or a class 3 medical.
 
I personally don’t see how 2 knots makes enough of a difference to warrant that restriction.
61 is dirty, aka flaps out
59 is clean, no flaps. That is significant.

A 61 knot dirty plane may stall at 70 knots clean. It was confusing why they did that but honestly this is a monster step for opening up planes to sport pilots.

You kinda need to separate the two. The 61 is for planes that will be "certified" under sport airplane rules, not to be confused with the sport pilot rules.

Planes up to 59 knots clean stall can be flown by a sport pilot (Drivers license medical)

Anything higher will be a Private with either a medical or basic med.

Remember the 61 knot is for airplane certification and nothing to do with sport pilots.

The 59 knot reference is the new sport pilot limit, up from 45 knots.
 
61 is dirty, aka flaps out
59 is clean, no flaps. That is significant.

A 61 knot dirty plane may stall at 70 knots clean. It was confusing why they did that but honestly this is a monster step for opening up planes to sport pilots.

You kinda need to separate the two. The 61 is for planes that will be "certified" under sport airplane rules, not to be confused with the sport pilot rules.

Planes up to 59 knots clean stall can be flown by a sport pilot (Drivers license medical)

Anything higher will be a Private with either a medical or basic med.

Remember the 61 knot is for airplane certification and nothing to do with sport pilots.

The 59 knot reference is the new sport pilot limit, up from 45 knots.
So there could be Light Sport Aircraft that Sport Pilots can't legally fly?
 
So there could be Light Sport Aircraft that Sport Pilots can't legally fly?
Yup. MOSAIC explains that these new LSA are planes that a PPL would want to fly as an alternative to some deadly EAB.

Here's a sample quote from the document (there are other similar ones sprinkled throughout).
Secondly, FAA explained that other amendments to the rules applied to light-sport category aircraft would improve safety more broadly within general aviation (GA) by making light-sport category aircraft a more appealing alternative to experimental aircraft that have higher fatal accident rates.
 
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