Spin Recovery Training... and my first (not-so) aerobatic lesson

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  1. Eagledriver65th

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    Actually, most fighters have a very small negative G tolerance- we are taught from day one to roll and pull, for this reason and a few others. For those relative few of us who had extensive civilian aerobatic experience prior to the military, it was different...we were used to negs, for competition purposes there is no way around them if you want to be competitive. There is no way to keep a cockpit clean, and having dirt and other detritus flying around the cockpit can be a major distraction, as well.
    What did you fly in the military?
     
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    It cost my friend a live-in boyfriend, lol...I never cared for him anyway, but she apparently did. Not enough to give up her plane though...and it was HER house. :)
     
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    Unique? I never considered it particularly unique, I've been building cars since I was a teenager, and I grew up a military brat- we summered in Europe, flying space-A to visit friends my parents made while stationed over there (Germany) right after WWII. My father was a WWII/Korea/VN veteran. I learned to love exotics while in Europe, where old ones are for sale dirt cheap and scoffed at.
    My entire family serves in the military, it's just what we do. Most of us fly. I wanted F-15C's and I got them, which was a very difficult endeavor, but other than that my life has been pretty ordinary.
    And no, never met John Wayne...he sounds larger-than-life.
     
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    Broadcast your intentions? Really? You think F-15s are flying like P-51's in WWII, perhaps? Let me enlighten you- I have never been close enough to an adversary to flip him the bird, like Tom Cruise did in Top Gun- in practice or in combat. I couldn't tell you which way an an opponent rolled or whether he pushed or pulled in a knife fight to save my life- do you know the roll rates of modern fighters? Whether you push or roll and pull is a matter of a quarter of a second difference, and since you can tolerate a rapid buildup of positive G's much better than you can negative, you will more than make that up as you maneuver.
    I'm curious what you flew in the military, as you seem so knowledgeable. What was your MOS or AFSC?
     
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    Then you were obviously never a fighter pilot.
     
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    Right...and, for the third time, what did you fly in the military?
     
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    Cooter, with all due respect, after reading your various posts and the way you like to attack newcomers and the way you seem to treat people in general, my guess is that your life hasn't gone the way you would have liked it to. I think you are a basically unhappy person, who probably reads alot- and therefore has a lot of theoretical knowledge, and second hand knowledge. I'll bet you live vicariously through others, the people who actually DID the things you wish you had done.
    Then, to assuage your ego, which is damaged because you realized too late that you were going nowhere, you use your second hand knowledge, acquired through reading, to try to tear others down who have accomplished things in their lives. I am sorry for you- perhaps you were unable to pursue your dreams for some reason, medical or financial or due to obligations to family, and not just because you were lazy or unmotivated.
    Whichever the case is, I am too old to engage in lying to make myself sound more interesting. What my life is, it is. I have worked hard, I have gotten lucky at times, and I have suffered from bad luck at times, just like anyone else. Your "talents" are wasted on me. Go find another victim, please, what you see is what you get, in my case.

    I'm sure you won't listen. but I thought it only fair that I make my case.

    Best wishes to you.
     
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    I don't blab my personal business all over the Internet like some people, so you'll have to put the pieces together. Other than what's still required for work I don't much think of myself as a fighter pilot anymore. I also don't argue from credentials, so what I flew isn't really relevant here.

    So you're telling me that you were a fighter pilot but you weren't capable of knowing when the other aircraft was unloading or which way they were turning and pulling?
     
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    Perhaps if I Googled some images of a fighter pilot and posted them as my own you'd be convinced that I'm for real?
    You are a sick person. You need some help man. Go share your lies with other pretenders. Don't try to sell it in the real world.

    Why don't you do me a favor and copy and paste where I've been unkind to a newcomer? Good luck with that John Wayne, there are plenty of other forums.
     
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    Right, I believe you.
    I'm telling you that it has been 40 years since two planes had a "dogfight" like you are envisioning. Today 99% of engagements are BVR, and the few who close aren't 50 feet away, like P-51's and FW-190's were. When we do close, corner speed in an F-15 is about 400 knots- things are happening very quickly, I know where my opponent is going, certainly, but I can't see him to know how he is accomplishing this, although I have a best guess.
     
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    Did I hit a little too close to home, brother? I'm sorry to do it on a public forum, but you seemed intent on attacking me.
     
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    My wife and I are going to dinner for our anniversary, so I will leave you in peace to say nasty things about me. Get it out of your system, I'd say you need to vent, badly. I'm fine with it.

    Cheers!
     
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    Before you go, why don't you help me to understand how you've avoided a one-circle (or nose to nose if you prefer) fight in all your years of flying? What did you're training rules say about minimum separation?
     
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    Really? JWJ also flew aerobatics as a teenager in the family's Champ and solo'd at 12, no...take that back, 9 yrs old. He too spent 36 moths as a T-38 IP. He too flew F-15s with the 65th right after FAIP. Spent only 10 years in the AF starting in 1979ish but somehow got 65th before they actually had F-15s. He too owned several aerobatic aircraft including a T-6. He too was a bush pilot in Alaska. He also owned a hotrod shop...although he didn't post pics of cars that weren't actually his. He too had a dad that served in WWII,Korea and VN.

    Besides not punching out of an F-5F in some secret squadron that he never revealed, you two have lived almost identical lives. Amazing coincidence!

    Edit: I was just thinking. How in the heck does a 9 yr old reach the pedals in a champ anyway? I'm a grown adult and barely can reach the pedals on the aircraft I fly. :confused:
     
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    Your internet buddies could have helped you out with this. But here, I'll help you this one time.
     
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    Then what's the purpose of the perch?
     
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    I'm eagerly waiting for a photo of a mangled leg...
     
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    The sad part is that this crap landed in @Cajun_Flyer 's thread about a great experience. I'm sorry for that.

    Unfortunately it was that or in Nates truck noise thread. With all that's going on in his world right now That didn't seem right.
     
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    Duplicate post.
     
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    LO
     
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    Please stop exposing your ignorance. Googling obviously isn't sufficient to hide your shortcomings.
     
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    I'm not sure who who this JWJ person is or why our lives have similarities, but that was neither my doing nor is it my problem. My life is what it is, I'm sorry you doubt my life experience but I have no control over that. As for flying a Champ at 9 years old, I'm sure I could have, they are a pretty tight aircraft inside, but I made no such claims and have no idea where you even got that little tidbit.Champs were one of the most popular aircraft, as they were cheap to buy and operate, not carrying the "Cub" sticker, which adds 50% to the price of parts and labor.
    I recently retired and thought it would be fun to interact with other pilots online, but apparently this is something other than a social site for hangar flying. I have no idea what I have done besides be pleasant and try to be helpful, but you idiots are definitely keeping aviation inaccessible, as is so often the case- any new or perspective pilot reading this sort of treatment would back away and find another hobby.
    I think you are seeing similarities that aren't there just because there are a couple of actual coincidences. But I imagine you will continue with your attitudes, as it is probably the only point in your day when you feel superior.
     
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    lol...wow, you will disclose nothing so that you could possibly be judged, yet you judge anything anyone else has to say. What a neat trick. It does make you appear infallible, doesn't it?
     
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    I've disclosed my disgust for posers who get some form of weird gratification from stealing other's accomplishments and displaying them as their own.
     
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    Whoa there Duke! No one is doubting your life's experiences. I just find it remarkable that you two have lived an almost exact life. Obviously it's not you because you never flew F-5s and haven't been banned from Quora.

    https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/howdy-yall.103183/
     
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    @Eagledriver65th, if your screen name reflects an assignment you had in the Air Force, PM me your callsign. That's a pretty small and tight community that I'm lucky enough to know a few guys who've been there/done that. If they'll vouch for you, then I'll make it public and I'm sure Velocity will be a stand up guy and apologize for getting you confused with someone else.

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    I think Velocity already guessed his call sign. Anyone named John Wayne would necessarily be called "Duke".;)

    If there are two pilots with the same exact burn injury, from the same squadron, from Texas, and each happen to own a Hot-rod shop, and they both claim to be fighter pilots but neither seem to have any real knowledge of it, or of each other, well, I guess we need to call Ripley's Believe It or Not. :dunno:
     
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    Since all of you poor bastids never got to fly a Hornet, I deem this internet beyotch fight unworthy.

    @Cajun_Flyer your children will love you more if you go back and do some aero. So there.
     
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    Typical POA ****show and much of the reason I don't make a point to come here too often anymore.
     
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    I understand. Still sucks though. I enjoy reading about your exploits in aviation. Following along with your journey and other new pilots on the board remind me why I chose aviation as a career and I enjoy it when people share their experiences. It's a shame people get run off by the bull crap.
     
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    Aerobatics.
    Just another addictve drug.
    No. That's not right.
    The greatest addictive drug.
     
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    I'm a couple months late reading this but you could have been me twenty years ago. I wanted to do aerobatics but got no further than a fun flight with one of the greats. Hubby and I met with an instructor but she was killed during an air show before we got around to scheduling our lessons. We were going to give that to each other as an anniversary present or something. Then life got in the way and now I'm too old for such things. You should go for it though!
     
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    Unless the kid in your avatar is your great grandchild, I highly doubt it!
     
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    Awww thank you. No it's my grand kid. Its just between my herniated disks and detached retina and other assorted bothers I don't want to risk it anymore. I've become an old fuddy dud.:D
     
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