Southwest flight tried to take off from Florida taxiway after crew mistook it for runway

Rene said:
It used to surprise me how quickly discussions became ad hominem attacks.
Until the 14th time I had to explain what ad hominem meant.
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... Which you knew because you went to such an amazing public school? :D
 
Mooney Fan said:
I guess these guys or gals will be flying dog food all night in beat-up 207's
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Naah. I'm sure they both filed ASAP reports. They'll be reviewed, and the crew will get some remedial training on SWA's taxi procedures and airport markings and be back on the line in a few days most likely.
 
nauga said:
For those still scanning this thread for meaningful discussion of the incident in the OP, I strongly encourage use of the 'ignore user' option. The 'report post' option is also available if needed.
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I can't like this enough. Prior to using the "ignore" function, I found myself grinding my teeth at a few posters and my enjoyment of the community was waning. Now I have precisely two individuals on ignore, and it's amazing how much better the PoA experience has become as a result. Heed Nauga on this one, folks.
 
AvNavCom said:
I can't like this enough. Prior to using the "ignore" function, I found myself grinding my teeth at a few posters and my enjoyment of the community was waning. Now I have precisely two individuals on ignore, and it's amazing how much better the PoA experience has become as a result. Heed Nauga on this one, folks.
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Agree. Some folks are looking for arguments and not answers. When I detect such an approach I try to just leave it alone ... :dunno:
 
I bet when the pull and transcribe the CVR, it wasn't a sterile cockpit from push back ro power application. There was clearly a distraction or two involved. There is supposed to be a verbal confirmation from both pilots that the runway number matches the clearance and that the final is clear of traffic before turning onto said runway.

While ASAP is good, it really only protects you legally if it's a sole source submission. I bet the tower made a report also. There were a few pilots that although submitted an asap, they weren't protected because they were willfully negligent.
 
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Doc Holliday said:
I was thinking puppy mill grads.
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One might believe that when they are clueless about the amount of ground training a puppy mill student is required to complete, including a large number of written exams vs the home study student. In most college programs, the student is allowed one retest of a phase exam with a score less than 80% for all the ground training for the private, instrument and commercial courses.

The home study student is simply required to answer enough verbal questions to get an endorsement. to pass the FAA written. How do you want your name spelled on the endorsement?
 
Clip4 said:
One might believe that when they are clueless about the amount of ground training a puppy mill student is required to complete, including a large number of written exams vs the home study student. In most college programs, the student is allowed one retest of a phase exam with a score less than 80% for all the ground training for the private, instrument and commercial courses.

The home study student is simply required to answer enough verbal questions to get an endorsement. to pass the FAA written. How do you want your name spelled on the endorsement?
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I've witnessed first hand how the puppy mills teach. Those written exams come from banks of questions, and an enterprising student can simply memorize the answers and do well.

Rote learning is the name of the game at your typical puppy mill.
 
Clip4 said:
Probably the products of home study.
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Clip4 said:
One might believe that when they are clueless about the amount of ground training a puppy mill student is required to complete, including a large number of written exams vs the home study student. In most college programs, the student is allowed one retest of a phase exam with a score less than 80% for all the ground training for the private, instrument and commercial courses.

The home study student is simply required to answer enough verbal questions to get an endorsement. to pass the FAA written. How do you want your name spelled on the endorsement?
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Completely irrelevant. We're talking about a major 121 carrier. You don't get to choose your own training program. But the elevation of your trolling ability is impressive.
 
Clip4 said:
One might believe that when they are clueless about the amount of ground training a puppy mill student is required to complete, including a large number of written exams vs the home study student. In most college programs, the student is allowed one retest of a phase exam with a score less than 80% for all the ground training for the private, instrument and commercial courses.

The home study student is simply required to answer enough verbal questions to get an endorsement. to pass the FAA written. How do you want your name spelled on the endorsement?
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Tell me you don’t know anything without telling me…
 
Tarheelpilot said:
Tell me you don’t know anything without telling me…
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You don’t need any instruction nor self study to take an FAA written knowledge test. You just need an authorized instructor endorsement stating you are prepared to take the test.

For the self study curriculum courses, that endorsement says you passed enough questions, 70%, on one practice exam.
 
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Rene said:
It used to surprise me how quickly discussions became ad hominem attacks.
Until the 14th time I had to explain what ad hominem meant.
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Ad Hominem - Cave Man / Neanderthal Madison Avenue Advertising Director
 
Rene said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/us?ftag=CNM-16-10abg0d
Southwest Airlines flight almost takes off from taxiway rather than runway at Orlando airport
March 21, 2025 / 5:30 AM EDT / CBS/AP

Orlando, Fla. — A Southwest Airlines flight almost took off from a taxiway - rather than a runway - at a central Florida airport on Thursday before an air traffic controller stopped the plane, officials said.

Southwest Flight 3278 had been cleared for takeoff and initiated a takeoff roll on a taxiway after the crew mistook the surface for the nearby runway, officials said. But air traffic controllers canceled the clearance before the plane could take off.

No injuries were reported, and passengers departing Orlando International Airport were accommodated on another aircraft heading to their destination of Albany, New York, the airline said in a statement. The aircraft was switched to help facilitate an investigation.

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Gee, I wonder what investigating the airplane might reveal?
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CVR
 
ateamer said:
Oh no! Not that! Don’t pay me 300 grand a year to work 10 days a month! Don’t throw me in that briar patch, Commander!
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Exactly. Compared to flying a bunch of pasty white guys and their girlfriends and kids from Orlando back to Albany, flying plastic dog poo over the Pacific would be an upgrade.
 
Mikey52 said:
While ASAP is good, it really only protects you legally if it's a sole source submission. I bet the tower made a report also. There were a few pilots that although submitted an asap, they weren't protected because they were willfully negligent.
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This isn't true. It is true that deliberate violations are not granted immunity. The immunity is set forth in black-and-white on NASA's website: https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/overview/immunity.html

Waiver of Imposition of Sanction. The FAA considers the filing of a report with NASA concerning an incident or occurrence involving a violation of 49 U.S.C. subtitle VII or the 14 CFR to be indicative of a constructive attitude. Such an attitude will tend to prevent future violations. Accordingly, although a finding of violation may be made, neither a civil penalty nor certificate suspension will be imposed if:
  • The violation was inadvertent and not deliberate;
  • The violation did not involve a criminal offense, accident, or action under 49 U.S.C. § 44709, which discloses a lack of qualification or competency, which is wholly excluded from this policy;
  • The person has not been found in any prior FAA enforcement action to have committed a violation of 49 U.S.C. subtitle VII, or any regulation promulgated there for a period of 5 years prior to the date of occurrence; and
  • The person proves that, within 10 days after the violation, or date when the person became aware or should have been aware of the violation, he or she completed and delivered or mailed a written report of the incident or occurrence to NASA.
 
machkhatib said:
This isn't true. It is true that deliberate violations are not granted immunity. The immunity is set forth in black-and-white on NASA's website: https://asrs.arc.nasa.gov/overview/immunity.html

Waiver of Imposition of Sanction. The FAA considers the filing of a report with NASA concerning an incident or occurrence involving a violation of 49 U.S.C. subtitle VII or the 14 CFR to be indicative of a constructive attitude. Such an attitude will tend to prevent future violations. Accordingly, although a finding of violation may be made, neither a civil penalty nor certificate suspension will be imposed if:
  • The violation was inadvertent and not deliberate;
  • The violation did not involve a criminal offense, accident, or action under 49 U.S.C. § 44709, which discloses a lack of qualification or competency, which is wholly excluded from this policy;
  • The person has not been found in any prior FAA enforcement action to have committed a violation of 49 U.S.C. subtitle VII, or any regulation promulgated there for a period of 5 years prior to the date of occurrence; and
  • The person proves that, within 10 days after the violation, or date when the person became aware or should have been aware of the violation, he or she completed and delivered or mailed a written report of the incident or occurrence to NASA.
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ASAP is a different program with different rules.
 
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