Southwest doesn't give stars 1st class treatment

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Poor Paula Abdul can't get royal treatment even on Southwest.

"When told that advanced boarding was reserved for the old, the very young and infirm, she reportedly said, “But I’m famous! I need to go on first!” "

They would not even let her block the seats next to her. Poor thing...
 
lol poor thing -- I guess it begs the question... Why is she flying on Cattle Cars?

I mean if you are famous right?
 
Never heard of her, must not be too famous. Make her sit in the back. :D

Perhaps you remember her more famous partner, MC Skat Kat?

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Scott -

There is no way you could have made it through the 80's without ever hearing of Paula Abdul. I think even my grandmother knows who Paula Abdul is. Of course this is the same grandmother that liked Ugly Kid Joe. :)
 
I assume Scott is plying satire in his response? :)
 
...another reason why, if I must fly commercial, Southwest is high on my list.
 
That is EXACTLY why I will NOT fly on Southwest.

I am sorry, but I fly a LOT for work, I mean a lot. My company spends thousands a year to ship my meat-sack around and I want to be rewarded for that.

I want elite status, priority boarding, first class upgrades, and most importantly ASSIGNED SEATING!

Of course SW is going to assigned seating (or have they already) so I may think about it in the future....but only if they have assigned seating.
 
That is EXACTLY why I will NOT fly on Southwest.

I am sorry, but I fly a LOT for work, I mean a lot. My company spends thousands a year to ship my meat-sack around and I want to be rewarded for that.

I want elite status, priority boarding, first class upgrades, and most importantly ASSIGNED SEATING!

Of course SW is going to assigned seating (or have they already) so I may think about it in the future....but only if they have assigned seating.

If your company is the one paying, why do you want special treatment for yourself?
 
That is EXACTLY why I will NOT fly on Southwest.

I am sorry, but I fly a LOT for work, I mean a lot. My company spends thousands a year to ship my meat-sack around and I want to be rewarded for that.

I want elite status, priority boarding, first class upgrades, and most importantly ASSIGNED SEATING!

Of course SW is going to assigned seating (or have they already) so I may think about it in the future....but only if they have assigned seating.

For those of us who travel on business, and almost never have long-lead notice of the need for the trip, Southwest is the perfect vehicle; the fares are never confiscatory, changes in itinerary never result in forfeitures, the coach seating is better than everyone else's (except UAL's E+, but that is hard to get on short notice) and (most importantly), the combination of high frequency and exceptional completion record means I'm most likely to be home for supper instead of spending another night in a hotel.

That's luxury for me.

In addition, if I book today for travel tomorrow, while I may be able to get an "assigned" seat on another carrier, it is certain to be a "B" or "E" between two exceedingly well-fed travelers; on Southwest, I can assure myself a decent seat by simply checking in the night before.

Finally, in the "for what it's worth" category, I have had close contact with folks who do MX for Southwest, and they tell me that the standing order from the airline is this: do it right, period; no "IRAN" tags. The philosophy is that well-maintained equipment is reliable and predictable. Reliable and predictable are inevitable travelmates with safe.

I suppose that, if I did a lot of around-the-world traveling, I'd have different priorities, but I do not; as a domestic traveler, if I must fly commercial, Southwest flat blows them all away (especially, most notably, AA, which tries to dominate Dallas).
 
That is EXACTLY why I will NOT fly on Southwest.

I am sorry, but I fly a LOT for work, I mean a lot. My company spends thousands a year to ship my meat-sack around and I want to be rewarded for that.

I want elite status, priority boarding, first class upgrades, and most importantly ASSIGNED SEATING!

Of course SW is going to assigned seating (or have they already) so I may think about it in the future....but only if they have assigned seating.
Add to the above, SouthWest is frequently not the least expensive any more either. I really don't like the cattle car loading and unloading there.
 
If your company is the one paying, why do you want special treatment for yourself?

I understand where he's coming from. In a prior life I spend a few years in a cab chasing airplanes, and every little thing you can find to make that life easier is welcome. My company was paying the price of the ticket, but I was paying the price of the lifestyle. Part of my compensation included club memberships, upgrades, etc. and I feel like I deserved it. If the company expected me to service three clients in three cities, then they shouldn't expect me to eat peanuts in economy for dinner three nights a week.

Now, in my more mellow golden years, if I absolutely MUST fly commercial then the peanuts on Southwest are a good as any I guess - better than most.
 
Paula Abdul = Lip Sync.

Good for Southwest.

Midwest, likewise, tends to not put people on pedastals (though they are a LOT more comfortable)... they have one elite level, that offers the following benefits: preboard after the first group, access to exit-row seating, and a stack of "same-day confirmed" change certificates (value: $25/each). Because of the 2x2 seating and a bit more legroom, the exit-row access is only a very minor benefit compared to cattle-class on the majors. Likewise, the smaller number of seats means plenty of overhead bin space... thus preboard is only a very minor benefit. Elite or not, Midwest is great to fly.

As for elite status on the other airlines vs Southwest, I have this to say: I have elite status on two airlines: AA and DL. If you DON'T have elite status, you're actually better off on Southwest. Even if you do, it may be advantageous to fly Southwest rather than the others. Over the last 18 months, I'm batting 20% or less on upgrades on AA, and 50% on upgrades on DL - meaning I'm stuck in back most of the time. So, aside from mileage bonuses and a larger route structure, the only real benefits I see are early boarding and access to the "reserved" seat blocks.

As for the elite-reserved seat blocks, they're often full (I haven't been on an AA flight this year that hasn't left completely full, and one had 120 people on the wait list), and at least AA have a very limited number of 'elite' seats. On AA, anyway, the elite seats really don't mean much. And if you book near the last minute, you get stuck in the middle. So we're down to early boarding as the key benefit - yet tight connections and late flights often erase that privilege.

AA "nickles-and-dimes" every coach passenger, DL at least serves pretzels in coach, and SW has peanuts (and no stupid change or rebooking fees).

SW, on the other hand, if you check in online/early, you get Group A, which virtually guarantees an aisle seat. Legroom is pretty good. Group A is as good as early boarding on AA and DL from many cities (at DCA, DFW, ATL, and CVG, for example, I've counted at least 45 elite passengers on many flights when elites are called for boarding on DL or AA - if you think SW is a cattle-call, you should see 45 elite status passengers scrapping to be first on a plane :eek: ).

Most of my flying over the last 18 months has been SAT to DCA/IAD/BWI. Southwest has non-stop service - the others require a connection.

From my standpoint, without status SW wins hands down. With status, it's more of a wash, though I do some international travel and maintaining status is a good thing if you're traveling international.

Yeah, I dislike the cattle-car, but the back of AA, DL, NW, etc are all as much of a cattle-car as SW. At least with SW you stand a reasonable shot at a decent seat if you book within a few days of departure and you check-in early. And best of all, SW's phone service has been great, and customer service has been far better than the others.

I've become completely unenamored with the other airlines over the last couple of years....
 
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I understand where he's coming from. In a prior life I spend a few years in a cab chasing airplanes, and every little thing you can find to make that life easier is welcome. My company was paying the price of the ticket, but I was paying the price of the lifestyle. Part of my compensation included club memberships, upgrades, etc. and I feel like I deserved it. If the company expected me to service three clients in three cities, then they shouldn't expect me to eat peanuts in economy for dinner three nights a week.

Now, in my more mellow golden years, if I absolutely MUST fly commercial then the peanuts on Southwest are a good as any I guess - better than most.

LOL..thanks you said it better than I did!

Also my company has us pay for things first and then get reimbursed, thus *I* float the bills and deserve the perks.
 
That is EXACTLY why I will NOT fly on Southwest.

I am sorry, but I fly a LOT for work, I mean a lot. My company spends thousands a year to ship my meat-sack around and I want to be rewarded for that.

I want elite status, priority boarding, first class upgrades, and most importantly ASSIGNED SEATING!

Of course SW is going to assigned seating (or have they already) so I may think about it in the future....but only if they have assigned seating.

I'll let you in a secret. SWA had assigned seating and preferred flyers of a sort.

My team used to commute to Nashville and we preferred SWA. The stress of - the boarding system at the time - trying to get a number under 30 was something we put up with.

One of our project managers got tied up and ran for the gate for her usual flight, but she didnt' make it in the hour before boarding. The SWA gate agent said hello again to her and "Is there anything else you need?" "I could use a boarding pass under 30." The agent handed her a low-numbered pass she had saved. That's frequent flyer SWA-style.
 
Premier Executive on UA. No status on anyone else. UA has E+ which is a great benefit. Otherwise, most of the others are a few hours of physical pain. USAir's former America West metal (don't know about their other planes) has more legroom than anyone else other than UA E+. I strive for exit rows whenever possible. I really don't like airline travel. Why should I pay for physical abuse? Business or First would make it more tolerable, but my company won't pay for it. However, I go places that I can't drive to and the company won't allow me to fly myself (and many places I go just won't work in a 182 anyway).

Back to the original post - good for SWA. If she wanted three seats blocked she should have bought 3 tickets.
 
Yes Scott is doing that. Scott likes to jab at celebs. Scott has decided that he should now write in the third person on this thread, because Scott is cooler than Paula Abdul. :D:D
But Scott is no Bob Dole... Bob Dole only had to advertise Viagra, not use it. What about Scott?

:goofy:
 
If Spike encountered Paula Abdul, he would not *need* Viagra.
 
If Spike encountered Paula Abdul, he would not *need* Viagra.


Eeek. I don't find her attractive at all. If Anthony encountered Paula Abdul, and was given $1MM, he would require at least a SCUBA suit or maybe even a Deep Sea Diver's outfit.
 
As this thread has evolved towards a generic "benefits of elite status" thread, I will nudge it a bit further in that direction.

As meager as the benefits are in today's environment (early boarding, guaranteeing space in the overhead, a chance to pre-reserve an exit row, and a shot at the ever-elusive upgrade), they are benefits. One of the unexpected benefits of long term loyalty is elite status for life. I hit a million miles life-to-date last year on AA. Joined the program in 1982. I've flown about 600,000 miles and have put $400,000 on the AA credit card for mileage credit. The result is Gold status for life. Road warriors can shoot for 2,000,000 miles and get Platinum for life.

-Skip
 
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As meager as the benefits are in today's environment (early boarding, guaranteeing space in the overhead, a chance to pre-reserve an exit row, and a shot at the ever-elusive upgrade), they are benefits. One of the unexpected benefits of long term loyalty is elite status for life. I hit a million miles life-to-date last year on AA. ..
I don't think it's worth all of the life you lost waiting in lines and waiting to move and putting up with stupidity, elite status or no.
 
I don't think it's worth all of the life you lost waiting in lines and waiting to move and putting up with stupidity, elite status or no.
Well, I gotta job to do and traveling is part of it. I do what I can using GA, but the really long distances have to be done by commercial.
 
As this thread has evolved towards a generic "benefits of elite status" thread, I will nudge it a bit further in that direction.

As meager as the benefits are in today's environment (early boarding, guaranteeing space in the overhead, a chance to pre-reserve an exit row, and a shot at the ever-elusive upgrade), they are benefits. One of the unexpected benefits of long term loyalty is elite status for life. I hit a million miles life-to-date last year on AA. Joined the program in 1982. I've flown about 600,000 miles and have put $400,000 on the AA credit card for mileage credit. The result is Gold status for life. Road warriors can shoot for 2,000,000 miles and get Platinum for life.

-Skip

Scott is already Platinum for life on AA. Scott is an Exec Platinum for AA this year and Scott is also a 100k UAL member. Scott flies far too much on the aluminum death tubes.
 
I don't think it's worth all of the life you lost waiting in lines and waiting to move and putting up with stupidity, elite status or no.
I couldn't agree more. I'd like to have all that time back. But, on the other hand, it has been worth the paycheck. So you (and in this case, "you" means "I") put up with a lot.

-Skip
 
I couldn't agree more. I'd like to have all that time back. But, on the other hand, it has been worth the paycheck. So you (and in this case, "you" means "I") put up with a lot.

-Skip

I often say I want back the all of time I spent waiting for a system to boot. I figger it's about 3-6 months, and I don't do that for living anymore. You still add to the total just owning and using computers.
 
I don't think it's worth all of the life you lost waiting in lines and waiting to move and putting up with stupidity, elite status or no.

I agree. But some of us MUST travel for business, might as well take advantage of what's there.

I've got lifetime mid-tier status on Delta - and a long way toward top tier, and I'm close to lifetime gold on AA. I have status on 3 airlines this year. Sigh.
 
I couldn't agree more. I'd like to have all that time back. But, on the other hand, it has been worth the paycheck. So you (and in this case, "you" means "I") put up with a lot.

-Skip

I try saying that to myself when spinning in the hold at ORD as we enter the second hour...

What Chip and Tom have said is quite true. I provide my company with a service that requires being away from home, on an international basis, very frequently. The "points" I earn are compensation from the airline for selecting their flights. I was quite clear with my company that I get to pick the airline, within a $500 price swing domestically and no price limits (within reason, of course) internationally. Some people would argue that this isn't "fair" but my job requires that I'm away from my home and I require that I get a certain level of treatment to make the process at least somewhat more bearable.

Just my $0.02.

Cheers,

-Andrew
 
I stopped flying SW when they wanted me to stand in 3 lines to get on an airplane, then stand in two more when I changed planes.

From AvWeb:

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/853-full.html#195028

Poor Paula Abdul can't get royal treatment even on Southwest.

"When told that advanced boarding was reserved for the old, the very young and infirm, she reportedly said, “But I’m famous! I need to go on first!” "

They would not even let her block the seats next to her. Poor thing...
 
At least Southwest makes Persons of Size buy a second ticket. Beats being squashed by the person in the middle seat.
 
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