son going in for adhd evaluation; wants to be a pilot

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My son is 13 and is going in for a adhd evaluation soon. He wants to be a pilot someday. Of course this can change, but for now it is his ambition.

I know about adhd, I have a daughter who was on meds for it. Based on his behaviors, I am thinking the doc may prescribe.

any ideas to keep his pilot ambitions open?
 
Exercise, time spent outside, fighting with like minded boys. Buy him a weight set. Don't geld him with drugs. That is sick and F's his future. Heck instead of chemically castrating him sign him up at the local sailplane club, he can solo at 14, perfect time to start. And look into other school options there are later starting alternative high schools in lots of places. Outside the cookie machine. Good luck.
 
Once he is diagnosed, FAA considers it permanent. He won't outgrow the diagnosis. Gliders are open, and anything else that doesn't require a medical.
 
What behaviors does he exhibit?

almost daily temper tantrums, kicking, stomping when asked to do homework, mild aggression toward Ma, lack of focus on work (home and school), excessive procrastination
 
he gets about average exercise. He plays PeeWee hockey 4-5 days a week. He does spend too much time in front of screens.
 
My son had mild aggression toward his mom...... once. Kids always test boundaries and push to be the boss in the worst way. Unfortunately their undeveloped brains make them terrible bosses and they become impossible to live with when they know boundaries don't exist because they don't know what to do and I think it makes them insecure.

Hopefully your son's issues can be fixed without drugs. I've seen Dr. Bruce say time and again that your run of the mill GP should not be making these determinations, rather specialists who specialize in these areas should be consulted. I'm not a doctor, but I would ask for a specialist were I you.

I hope your situation improves.
 
ADHD is, by and large, a scam. I would seriously avoid getting him diagnosed until PBOR2 passes.

You could be causing serious harm to him just by getting the diagnosis.
 
almost daily temper tantrums, kicking, stomping when asked to do homework, mild aggression toward Ma, lack of focus on work (home and school), excessive procrastination

Obviously, I'm not his parent, but I think the problem may be a lack of discipline, not a lack of mental balance.
 
Unfortunately, the FAA is paranoid about mental issues like ADHD. He could be a pilot under the current sport pilot rules (assuming he never tries to get a medical) or fly gliders, but there is little to no hope for a career as a pilot unless later in life he can prove (to the FAA's satisfaction) that he didn't really have ADHD in the first place.
 
Yea. Beat the crap out of the kid. That usually works.

Yep.

Also, more effective and less violent means work as well, but beating the crap outta him oughtta do it vs. not disciplining him at all.

ADD and ADHD is a result of 3 things: time-out parenting, helicopter parenting, and "there must be a drug that can fix this" parenting.
 
Off topic. My daughter gets two hours a day screen time, weekdays. Weekends are mostly unlimited. Bit of a fight to get started but has been awesome. She manages her time, saves her two hours til after dinner and homework. Plays outside, always been a reader but reads lots more. Best thing ever. Bonus works as both carrot and stick, I once grounded her an hour for being mean to the dog, it was crushing. Given a choice I think she would have taken a spanking to get that hour. My advice cut the screen time, get a weight set, and if he is good sign him up for glider lessons. And talk to him tell him what the diagnosis means. They ain't dumb, kids are just crazy.
 
I agree strongly with others to NOT let the general practitioner family doctor diagnose your kid.

In fact, cancel the appointment. Because if the doc sees the young boy, answers your questions about the remotest possible micron of a chance it's ADHD, and then enters the insurance code for ADHD into the boy's chart for insurance billing, then he is well and truly screwed as far as the FAA is concerned.

A evaluation or diagnosis such as this should be done by a board certified psychologist, not a GP with an opinion and a prescription pad.
 
a dilemma indeed. When i agree that Rx is appropriate i use diagnosis of lethargy and medications that have been discontinued for > 30 days do not have to be reported. i do this regardless of whether young patient has flying aspirations or not.
 
We went through this process this time last year with our youngest son, and ended up with a diagnosis of mild ADD, no "HD." His attention has been better and grades are up, and so far have not resorted to meds. Improvement is most likely due to maturity and puberty starting to kick in, as he turns 13 in 2 days. He also saw a counselor once/week over the summer to talk about ways to cope with school, homework, etc. So to answer your original question with a question, do you see a trend? If stable or improving, maybe just try to ride it out hoping for further improvement with maturity. But sounds like it may be getting worse if he's this old and you are just now getting around to the diagnosis. Sorry I cannot offer more than my best wishes. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to discuss outside the scrutiny of all the naysayers here.
 
hook up the TV and video game device to a battery that must be charged by treadmill or stationary bike.

If he wants to play his games or watch TV, he must charge the battery and keep it charged.
 
before you get him to the Dr., get him enrolled in a program like JROTC or Boy Scouts...

One of my teacher friend recommends sprints and track work for young boys in Jr High... As an Army guy, I will say, if you are to physically tired to do anything... you tend to listen....
 
As many have said, consider this carefully as the result could damage or end his aspirations. That said, depending on his case, the benefits of treatment (with or without drugs) may outweigh that disadvantages and only your family can estimate that balance. If you decide to have him evaluated, find a specialist who realizes that there are actually tests for this - and they don't consist of simply trying the drugs.


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A Board certified psychiatrist is normally required (per FAA) to run a series of tests ($$$) to overturn a diagnosis of ADD/ADHD made by a GP or other doc. And he can only overturn that diagnosis if it isn't present.
 
almost daily temper tantrums, kicking, stomping when asked to do homework, mild aggression toward Ma, lack of focus on work (home and school), excessive procrastination

Sounds like a teenage boy :rolleyes2:


Boy, you're going to be making a uphill fight for the kid.


How about man up and be a parent, get him in some more or more intensive sports, exercise some discipline into his life, don't cop out and buy some "parenting in a bottle".

Remove the "screens" and get him into a sailplane club like others said, have him spend more time outside of the house being active.

If you can't handle being a parent or don't have the time or inclination, perhaps instead of using tranquilizer on the boy, you should find a better home for him.


Sorry, but this kind of crap really gets to me.
 
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Yep.

Also, more effective and less violent means work as well, but beating the crap outta him oughtta do it vs. not disciplining him at all.

ADD and ADHD is a result of 3 things: time-out parenting, helicopter parenting, and "there must be a drug that can fix this" parenting.
You have kids?
 
Jeez you guys are rough.

A true ADHD kid is a handful. But I agree it's over used and over prescribed.

Just be very careful and damn sure OP before you sign him up. It's a game changer and in this digital age it will stick with him to the grave. There are many jobs out there that it will ding him for, not just aviation.
 
almost daily temper tantrums, kicking, stomping when asked to do homework, mild aggression toward Ma, lack of focus on work (home and school), excessive procrastination


Damn. All but the mild aggression toward ma sounds like my teenage years. I don't recall any temper tantrums either, but I bet my folks would disagree. To a teen it's just whining. To the adults it could be seen differently. Amusing even.

I was BORED with the garbage my school was teaching after entering public school at an "advanced" course level in every damned class -- after a short time in a hard academics private school in grade school.

Late Jr High I was dumped into the public school system and by high school I was completely "over it". They weren't teaching anything interesting nor offering application of any of it to "real life" which was approaching fast.

I highly recommend trying to find something that will actually challenge him and also have significant life application. Those things WILL keep his attention even if he's ADHD. ADHD people have a "hyper focus" ability on things that interest them.

I can't say whether I'd be "diagnosed" today if I were like that again as a kid, but having read up on ADHD from a layman's viewpoint, I suspect so.

My interests turned into a damn good career and I got really good at it. In troubleshooting scenarios I "intuitively see" root causes before I can *prove* them -- and an early boss disciplined that second behavior into me. "I know you can see what's wrong with it before a lot of other people and you're usually right, but if you show them and *prove* it, you'll win them all over."

Sure glad I ran into him completely by circumstance twenty years ago. He's a similar personality type with more of an analytical streak to him and his mentorship has proven invaluable over the years. He sent me out on some of the hardest troubleshooting assignments the company had back then and I only had to partially throw my hands up on one. I knew it was a power problem but we had to go back with me and another EE and a really expensive lab grade digital oscilloscope to find it on a second trip.

I didn't give a crap about homework in school. I showed up, did my time, aced the tests and annoyed the hell out of teachers who wanted me to step in line and turn in daily papers. I got it the first time they explained it and once I got it, homework was a waste of time for me. I wasn't brilliant, I just fully "got it" when it clicked and found any more time spent on it wasn't useful to my learning style. There's not much leeway from the curriculum for that sort of learner in our public schools. So you must challenge him with other things.

Find him a *difficult to master* *outdoor* hobby. Skiing was mine. Easy to ski. Hard to ski WELL. Tire him out physically on a regular basis. I got good and wore myself out beating the mountain and the terrain.

And model rocketry. And computers. And anything even remotely aviation related -- those things held my full attention. My family still makes fun of the time I rented a video camera with my own money and videotaped every small airport ramp for 100 miles one weekend just because I wanted to. My insistence that they watch my awful video has led to a repetition of my horrible voice over for decades at family gatherings, "It's a nice little airport!" I exclaimed over and over apparently. (Later I learned that voice overs are better done back at the studio with a quality mic and a script or you'd better have thought of something more interesting to say in the live shot than how "nice" the video subject is! Haha.)

School? Just doing time to make everyone happy and bringing home A and B grades just to keep everyone off my butt so I could do the other stuff. And parents who took the other stuff away if I got lazy. I only let that happen once. And I was TICKED.

I also intuitively knew by watching others I was lower middle class and nothing but busting my butt at something was going to work to change that. The school was in a well off neighborhood and I wasn't going to be traipsing off to out of state colleges and becoming the fourth lawyer or doctor in the family tree.

They had connections and cliques and insider info and the fast track to whatever they wanted in life. I was going to have to earn it, and Algebra II homework wasn't going to put any dollars in my pocket, if I already understood that week's concepts. I held a job as a dishwasher for two years of high school and it taught me more about the real world than the school ever did.

College brought me to aviation school eventually where I loved every minute. I just had to bail when I realized I had hit the industry at completely the wrong time and was going to be way too broke for way too long to make it.

Computers took over and here I am today, own a portion of an airplane and not a scrap of debt in my 40s. (That laser focus comes in handy on big goals.)

Find him things to DO until something utterly strikes his fancy and he'll dive into it so headlong you'll wonder what happened. Whether it's "normal" behavior or not, leave that to talking heads on TV and keep him off the drugs unless you really can't find something he goes ape for. Once you find that thing it's the lever to controlling his behavior. Completely.

I still can't thank my family enough for the Christmas at that age when they warned me that if I only have one present that it would be a whopper and everyone had pitched in to get it. That was the year (1984) when they bought my first computer. It took money from both sides of the parental tree (they divorced when I was young) and grandparents on both sides to pull that off in our not so rich family. I wouldn't have the career I have today if it weren't for that Christmas present. Absolutely *having* to know how that thing worked, down to the chip level, kept my interest for years.

You have to find *that thing* in his life.
 
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Just recognize that if you go to that appointment, he might likely be unable to fly a powered aircraft for _the rest of his life_.

I recommend not going to the appointment. If you must, mis-spell your name, do not give SS # and pay cash.... Even then, he'll basically have to commit perjury to get a medical, but that would at least be an "option".

This never happened, get it?
 
Damn. All but the mild aggression toward ma sounds like my teenage years. I don't recall any temper tantrums either, but I bet my folks would disagree. To a teen it's just whining. To the adults it could be seen differently. Amusing even.

I was BORED with the garbage my school was teaching after entering public school at an "advanced" course level in every damned class -- after a short time in a hard academics private school in grade school.

Late Jr High I was dumped into the public school system and by high school I was completely "over it". They weren't teaching anything interesting nor offering application of any of it to "real life" which was approaching fast.

I highly recommend trying to find something that will actually challenge him and also have significant life application. Those things WILL keep his attention even if he's ADHD. ADHD people have a "hyper focus" ability on things that interest them.

I can't say whether I'd be "diagnosed" today if I were like that again as a kid, but having read up on ADHD from a layman's viewpoint, I suspect so.

My interests turned into a damn good career and I got really good at it. In troubleshooting scenarios I "intuitively see" root causes before I can *prove* them -- and an early boss disciplined that second behavior into me. "I know you can see what's wrong with it before a lot of other people and you're usually right, but if you show them and *prove* it, you'll win them all over."

Sure glad I ran into him completely by circumstance twenty years ago. He's a similar personality type with more of an analytical streak to him and his mentorship has proven invaluable over the years. He sent me out on some of the hardest troubleshooting assignments the company had back then and I only had to partially throw my hands up on one. I knew it was a power problem but we had to go back with me and another EE and a really expensive lab grade digital oscilloscope to find it on a second trip.

I didn't give a crap about homework in school. I showed up, did my time, aced the tests and annoyed the hell out of teachers who wanted me to step in line and turn in daily papers. I got it the first time they explained it and once I got it, homework was a waste of time for me. I wasn't brilliant, I just fully "got it" when it clicked and found any more time spent on it wasn't useful to my learning style. There's not much leeway from the curriculum for that sort of learner in our public schools. So you must challenge him with other things.

Find him a *difficult to master* *outdoor* hobby. Skiing was mine. Easy to ski. Hard to ski WELL. Tire him out physically on a regular basis. I got good and wore myself out beating the mountain and the terrain.

And model rocketry. And computers. And anything even remotely aviation related -- those things held my full attention. My family still makes fun of the time I rented a video camera with my own money and videotaped every small airport ramp for 100 miles one weekend just because I wanted to. My insistence that they watch my awful video has led to a repetition of my horrible voice over for decades at family gatherings, "It's a nice little airport!" I exclaimed over and over apparently. (Later I learned that voice overs are better done back at the studio with a quality mic and a script or you'd better have thought of something more interesting to say in the live shot than how "nice" the video subject is! Haha.)

School? Just doing time to make everyone happy and bringing home A and B grades just to keep everyone off my butt so I could do the other stuff. And parents who took the other stuff away if I got lazy. I only let that happen once. And I was TICKED.

I also intuitively knew by watching others I was lower middle class and nothing but busting my butt at something was going to work to change that. The school was in a well off neighborhood and I wasn't going to be traipsing off to out of state colleges and becoming the fourth lawyer or doctor in the family tree.

They had connections and cliques and insider info and the fast track to whatever they wanted in life. I was going to have to earn it, and Algebra II homework wasn't going to put any dollars in my pocket, if I already understood that week's concepts. I held a job as a dishwasher for two years of high school and it taught me more about the real world than the school ever did.

College brought me to aviation school eventually where I loved every minute. I just had to bail when I realized I had hit the industry at completely the wrong time and was going to be way too broke for way too long to make it.

Computers took over and here I am today, own a portion of an airplane and not a scrap of debt in my 40s. (That laser focus comes in handy on big goals.)

Find him things to DO until something utterly strikes his fancy and he'll dive into it so headlong you'll wonder what happened. Whether it's "normal" behavior or not, leave that to talking heads on TV and keep him off the drugs unless you really can't find something he goes ape for. Once you find that thing it's the lever to controlling his behavior. Completely.

I still can't thank my family enough for the Christmas at that age when they warned me that if I only have one present that it would be a whopper and everyone had pitched in to get it. That was the year (1984) when they bought my first computer. It took money from both sides of the parental tree (they divorced when I was young) and grandparents on both sides to pull that off in our not so rich family. I wouldn't have the career I have today if it weren't for that Christmas present. Absolutely *having* to know how that thing worked, down to the chip level, kept my interest for years.

You have to find *that thing* in his life.

:yeahthat:
 
"Wants to be a pilot someday"...

Maybe I missed it. For fun pilot, or professional pilot?
Not Sure it makes a difference, but just curious.
 
OP says his son plays hockey. I've never played, but that sounds like a good way to burn off energy.

If he does enjoy sports, you might check into something like the school wrestling team, too. There is no slacking off, it requires a lot of self discipline, and it will force him to control his aggression.
 
I agree strongly with others to NOT let the general practitioner family doctor diagnose your kid.

In fact, cancel the appointment. Because if the doc sees the young boy, answers your questions about the remotest possible micron of a chance it's ADHD, and then enters the insurance code for ADHD into the boy's chart for insurance billing, then he is well and truly screwed as far as the FAA is concerned.

A evaluation or diagnosis such as this should be done by a board certified psychologist, not a GP with an opinion and a prescription pad.

This.
 
Yep.

Also, more effective and less violent means work as well, but beating the crap outta him oughtta do it vs. not disciplining him at all.

ADD and ADHD is a result of 3 things: time-out parenting, helicopter parenting, and "there must be a drug that can fix this" parenting.
Is this your professional opinion Dr. Skyhog? :) Ok. I may be a skeptic too about how quickly kids are diagnosed but I think someone made the point to say that you are best to get an ADHD diagnosis from a psychiatrist, not a GP. I make a point to tell my GP when I'm complaining about something that a diagnosis could cost me my PPL so if there is an issue I need to see a specialist or be certain about a diagnosis. I may have gotten lucky but he understands and agrees. It may be worth explaining the ramifications to the doc of a diagnosis and meds. So if he thinks that is still the way to go you need to be 100% and need a specialists agreement.
 
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he can still be a pilot, he will just have to be off the meds for the rest of his life once he decides to do that, and then wait a year to be off the meds before seeing a FAA approved psych, then pay over a grand to do a bunch of stupid tests like memorizing 7 numbers backwards to prove you he no longer has that condition and hes fit to fly.... then wait another year to get the medical approval.... but yes.... he can still be a pilot.
 
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How much of the reports of behavior originate with the school? Public school?

The local ISD tried to plant a diagnosis on our son when he was in second grade, and I can see well how a large proportion of parents would have just gone along (excessive deference to authority, etc.); we didn't.

Got an eval by a pediatric neurologist (very thorough), who concluded, "no way, no how, is this boy ADD... you [points at me], I have my doubts about!"

He continued, telling us that in the public schools, diagnoses are often sought because the schools get additional state funding for each such student, and further, get to exclude their results from standardized testing; hence, the school has more money and can warehouse the kid, consigned thereafter to the short bus of diminished expectations.

We found a school that actually wanted to educate, and all is well (junior in college).
 
How much of the reports of behavior originate with the school? Public school?

The local ISD tried to plant a diagnosis on our son when he was in second grade, and I can see well how a large proportion of parents would have just gone along (excessive deference to authority, etc.); we didn't.

Got an eval by a pediatric neurologist (very thorough), who concluded, "no way, no how, is this boy ADD... you [points at me], I have my doubts about!"

He continued, telling us that in the public schools, diagnoses are often sought because the schools get additional state funding for each such student, and further, get to exclude their results from standardized testing; hence, the school has more money and can warehouse the kid, consigned thereafter to the short bus of diminished expectations.

We found a school that actually wanted to educate, and all is well (junior in college).

This forum desperately needs a "Like" button.

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Sometimes, sometimes, there is an organic issue that needs to be addressed. If you have ever known a kid with mild autism you would understand.

For what ever reason the OPs son has been behaving inappropriately. Were it my son I would make damn sure it wasn't my parenting style or something that could be worked out before family counseling before I resorted to drugs.

I've never had to deal with this as probably most posters here, but I would want a trained counselor, preferably a neurologist type specialist to evaluate the kid. If he needs it, he needs it. But if he is just acting out because of something else that can be fixed without drugs, that probably would be best for him all around.
 
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