So who is flying these drones?

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    What ever happened to the "fight or flight" instinct? Today, we skip right to "Put it on Insta!"

    A couple of weeks ago we had a shooting in the food court at the mall near my house. From the cell phone videos, about 50% of the people ran or took cover and everyone else whipped out a cell phone. They were mostly dumbasses filming in portrait mode...
     
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    Yeah. The video of the church shooting where the firearms instructor nailed the criminal is similar but not filming. Just complete unawareness by about half of the congregation.

    The interesting thing I saw in that video beyond the great shot the instructor made, was that the security folks had clearly trained the pastor. He went straight from standing to flat on the floor. No pause at knees at all.

    They knew he was on a higher stage and if they had to protect him he would be in the line of fire unless he was FLAT on the floor.

    That or he has an amazing survival instinct. But it looked practiced.

    “We can’t fire if you’re behind the bad guy. Get all the way down flat.”
     
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    from the article I linked to, it is a federal offense to shoot down a drone.
    I’m kind of amazed, no matter what the drone is doing?
     
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    Up to them whether they prosecute or not. Just because there’s a law...

    You felt threatened with your life and no reasonable escape from it... defend away.

    If it’s Peeping Tom-ing your teenage daughter... probably have to call the cops who’ll stand around wondering what to do about it.
     
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    a drone is defined to be an "aircraft"....and it is illegal to shoot down an aircraft.
     
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    If you're referring to the 'Drive' article you posted, 1) I didn't see that in the article, and 2) The article was so cluttered by conjecture and extrapolation that I thought it was satire.

    This duration is so far beyond the capability of what's available today that it *must* be alien technology. We might as well surrender now.

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    Some "drones" are built and operated expressly to be shot down. Now I'm going to be peeking through the blinds all night looking for the jackbooted thugs.

    Nauga,
    ready, fire, aim
     
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    Yep. That is the original definition of the "Q" designation of a drone target.
     
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    well....since you brought it up.....the correct term is UAS/UAV....not drone. :cool:

    and....drones are made to be killed....i.e. shot down. ;)
     
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    And the founding fathers of our government never, ever did anything illegal, right?
     
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    O man .... you mean the drones can fly OVER the wall?
     
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    Or it might be Nate buying beer or other organic products ... and that’s his bulk delivery engine
     
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    Aren't you supposed to fire away in that situation? The truly difficult question is what to do when the owner tromps through your yard to claim the drone.

    You do have a "Trespassers will be Shot" sign in your yard, right?
     
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    LOL I wish. Alcohol and my prescriptions don’t play nicely together. Well unless the objective is to fall over and break something. Haha.

    It killed me to send in my doc note to the vacation company saying my wife still wants her drink package this year and I want the unlimited soda. LOL.
     
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    your right, sorry...thought it was in that article, but it was this one from nbc
    https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...o-nebraska-unleashes-origin-theories-n1108941

    As far as the drive article, it was just a link...I thought it might be of interest with the sectionals of the area, to someone. Also, conjecture and such, there isn’t hard news yet with much info, and we are doing the same here.
     
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    I don’t get why no one has been able to follow, during approach to land.
    Too fast?
    Lights out at that time?
    Roaming landing sites?
     
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    Yeah, I wouldn't hold up most of the posts here as a shining example of deductive reasoning either.

    Nauga,
    eyes out
     
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    2020 NYE drone show over Shanghai, China

     
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    Best I ever saw was an array of pink lawn flamingos, each one stenciled...

    FRONT
    TOWARD ENEMY
     
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    This guy.??

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    Probably looking for his Immodium Q36 Space Modulator.
     
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    Didn’t know they made a version for diarrhea. LOL. Immodium!

    Try Illudium Q-36... :)
     
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    If Marvin shows up I'm betting a whole lot of people will be ****ting their pants...
     
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    Only if there's a big kaboom.....lol ;)
     
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    Good point. I expect at least one of the surprised pantspoopers would have eaten at Chipotle...
     
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    Yep, there's a bunch of shallow wells and a few deeper ones already out in that area. My guess is one of the oil companies is using some sort of thermal imaging technology and are mapping their next play. I deliver to many of the dairies and feedlots in that part of CO and have noticed quite a bit of exploration activity going on in the past few months. Haven't seen any drones yet though, but then again I'm usually done with my deliveries before it gets dark.
     
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    To be fair, if it wasn't legal they almost assuredly wouldn't be doing it. The big name oil companies we work with are insanely risk averse when it comes to drones and require much more than bare 107 regulations for every aspect of their operations, like mandatory visual observers and filing actual NOTAMs before each flight. You can search part 107 waivers online, I am sure there aren't -that- many swarm operator waivers...

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    https://www.faa.gov/uas/commercial_operators/part_107_waivers/waivers_issued/

    Search for 107.35 for swarm operators. Combine with 107.29 for nighttime waivers. 22 total operators in the US with both.
     
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    Haven’t seen a legitimate operator anywhere other than stadium stuff ask for a night waiver.

    That’s the critical oddity with these particular swarms.
     
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    That's what I don't understand. In every news article I've read the authorities state they aren't breaking any laws. That's bull! Without a waiver they can't fly at night and if they had a waiver we would know who they are.
     
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    My company has a night waiver and helps other companies get theirs if it's any consolation.
     
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    I knew it. It’s you!!! LOL.
     
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    I liked the “While there has been no claim of responsibility, an abundance of theories have been offered, ranging from the work of a Mexican drug cartel, to aliens from a far-off galaxy”

    just imagine the technical capabilities of aliens from a far off galaxy, having to get a P.O. Box so they can order their drones and receive them. I imagine them dressed in trench coat with hat over their heads, monotone voice attempting to sound human “has my package arrived yet? I’m not an alien or anything”


    One comment in that had a point I think. If the authorities or anyone really were actually interested in what is going on, since they show up in a known timeframe and area, why hasn’t anyone used a drone to follow them back to their base?

    I’ve personally only had two experiences with drones. Both at our cabin. A drone that just showed up, and hovered over the cabin for a while, both at night and daytime. It’s unnerving. Whether I should or shouldn’t feel that way, you don’t know who is doing it, or why, and it is a very creepy feeling.
    Ironically my nephew was up at the cabin, and took along his new drone. He was enjoying showing how it worked, and taking photos of our cabin, then around the lake we are on.

    He had just got it at that time and wasn’t paying attention to the battery capacity. When he did, the drone was over the lake, more to the opposite side, and the drone at some point took over and locked him out and landed on the far shore. We scrambled into his car, and drove over to the other side, but weren’t sure exactly where it was. Last fix wasn’t that good, on the way down before the camera cut out, we saw a rooftop...gee that was helpful. But we did see another cabin that turned out to be the one. Recovered the drone, but I felt very sheepish when we had to knock on the door, explain we needed to go down to his beach area and retrieve and that we weren’t “spying” on him. He actually was cool about it. I felt bad though, like I had been party to invading his privacy.
     
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    This makes the most sense. But why the secrecy? I assume the answer is that oil companies compete with each other over finding deposits?

    These guys’ customer? Looking at buried pipelines or above ground transmission lines.

    https://www.dslrpros.com/thermal-drones.html
     
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    “Secrecy” might not have anything to do with it.

    If they’re doing thermal imaging of underground artifacts, the best time for good thermal contrast would be late at night when surface temperatures are at their lowest.
     
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    They’re going to have to change the laws, which are not keeping up with technology. At least one court has identified this problem. The court found that we DO have a reasonable expectation of privacy in our yard. If I find one of those things hovering nearby with a camera pointed at me, I don’t know what nefarious purpose it’s up to.

    Anyone with legitimate reason to be pointing cameras at my property can make a public announcement ahead of time. Unforewarned, uninvited and unknown drones I view as potential personal threat. How do I know it’s not carrying a payload? Self defense laws should apply. And if it’s the government, 4th applies.

    https://www.insideprivacy.com/unite...tation-of-privacy-exists-in-rural-front-yard/
     
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    Given the glitchyness of the various FAA databases, one possibility would be a commercial operator who filed all the necessary waiver paperwork and it just disappeared into the digital ether. Low bid IT contracts for the win!