Slow day #59: phonetic alphabet

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  1. asicer

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    So it's the Friday before Christmas and I'm very unfocused right now...

    Looking at the phonetic alphabet table in AIM 4-2-7, why is O/V "OSS-KAH/VIK-TAH" and not "OSS-KER/VIK-TER" while 4/N is "FOW-ER/NO-VEM-BER" and not "FOW-AH/NO-VEM-BAH"?

    Seems rather inconsistent.
     
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    ISTR that Jim Weir once published an updated phonetic alphabet a few years back, using words that WEREN'T pronounced like their first letter. Such as "Knew" for k, "Pseudonym" for P, "Xenophobe" for X, etc.

    Visited my grand-nephews last summer. They proudly proclaimed that they had learned the "Radio Alphabet." They were surprised when ol' Great-Uncle Ronny knew it better than they did.
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    The object is to have words that DON’T sound alike so they’re you’re able to differentiate over really crappy radio.
     
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    cause the guy who did the letters came from boston?
     
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    A-N by a Californian, O-Z by a Bostonian and numbers by a Scottish guy?
     
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    It's been a while, but I used to hear the occasional "pa-PAH". I did hear a "tree" the other night.
     
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    Reminds me of a zoologist study in Boston, regarding crows hit by vehicles. Crows tend to warn each other about hazards, but the zoologists found a lot more crows were killed by trucks than cars in Boston.

    They figured it out...the Boston crows could say, "Caw," but not "Truck".....

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    Yep. Learning the phonetic alphabet is haaawd.
     
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    BTW, anyone ever heard (or spoke) "lima", as in bean, instead of "Lima", as in Peru?
     
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    It's really hard to find words for all 26. Most are easy, but there are a few holdouts.
     
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    https://pad39a.com/gene/abc.html
     
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    The Aussies call this guy Lima, as in Peru.
    Oddly enough, the Brits call the the capital of Peru, Lemur.

    :lol:

    He's not amused....

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    I always heard the city in Ohio pronounced Lima lie-ma, but phonetically it’s always been leema.
    I live close to a Hurricane, West Virginia, but it’s pronounced her-a-cun around here. But you never hear the weatherman giving her-a-cun warnings.

    I dunno??
     
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    We have a town up north with the same spelling. It's pronounced "Lima", Ohio.
     
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    Talking to a bloke from OK, he was from Miami....pronounced me-am-ahh
     
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    As you're flying your Waco to Waco, remember that Aloha, Oregon, is pronounced "uh-LOW-uh ORry-gun", and the Illinois town of Montrose has a definite pause between the 'Mont' and the 'rose'.
     
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    I actually know where that is. I used to instruct at the Ona airport. I landed in a field near Heracun that I was told was an old runway at some time.

    I would take students to a small airport in O-hi-ah to learn normal traffic patterns and landings.
     
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    Likewise Hurricane, Utah -- the pronunciation sounds more like "Herrkin".
     
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    If I heard that, the next statement I expect to hear is, Nblah blah, please call 555-5555 for possible deviation l..lol
     
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    I've heard the pronunciation of the name of the Arkansas River varies, depending on whether the speaker lives in Kansas or Arkansas.

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    I call it Are-Can sass.... What really piszes off my deer camp brothers is calling the Oachita river Wah-chee-taah instead of Wash-ah-taw river..... Makes their blood boil for some reason. :stirpot:
     
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    When you didn’t think you were going to see a river but then you see one?
     
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    I always look going over the 30 and most of the time its more like wet rocks......
     
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    Then there's the whole "Des Moines/Des Plains debaucle...
     
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    That's because there's a hill in the way at Ona . . . Gotta love turning base when the numbers are 45° behind you and turning direct for them to stay above ground! :eek2:

    It's an interesting place, what with the hill, the road to the racetrack crossing the runway and the RC club. I was based at Lawrence Co., a small airport in o-HI-a where the pattern for 26 was normal, but for 8 you had a parallel ridgeline between you and the runway and you had to pick which gap to use for your Base leg.

    My IFR checkride started at CRW and ended at Ona.
     
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    Once heard someone, XXXSP, calling himself "Sugar Pop" on the radio . . . . Don't recall where, but not down here.
     
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    Wow small world. I’ve been into Ona a few times. Was the small airport in Ohio, HTW by any chance?
     
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    I would take students to Gallipolis first. Then I would go to Lawrence County for night landings before attempting any night landings in Ona.

    I met 5 dollar Frank a couple of times, but I never got a chance to fly with him. Very interesting person to listen to. Did you ever try landing at Mallory?
     
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    And you can always tell whether someone is a local, or visitor in eastern Washington / northern Idaho. It's Moscoe, Idaho and Mos Cow Russia (spelled the same in both cases).

    Now, in amateur radio the "official" phonetic alphabet is the same as in aviation. There are a bunch of variations out there, however. One guy I knew in California had (at the time, he's changed since then ) the call NF6S. Nuts For 6 Squirrels. Or, if he was feeling off a bit, Nine Five Six Seven. :) Another was WA6D, Wobbly After 6 Daiquiris. Which I would be. :) Another friend had N6SRT. Seemingly harmless, except we said N 6 Spinnaker Right Turn, because he did that once and drug the mast into the water on an Islander 36.
     
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    A Skywest CRJ now has the registration, but N908SW was once on a Cessna 210B. It was known far and wide as "Eight Scotch Whiskey".
     
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    When I was a younger man, I drove cabs for a while in a northern suburb of Chicago. The owner was from somewhere like Maine, I'm not exactly sure where but somewhere in that area.

    Occasionally one of the regular dispatchers didn't show up, and the owner would take over.
    His accent was so pronounced, I could not understand what the hell he was saying.

    Honestly, I can't recreate the exchanges because it just consisted of, to my ears, him gargling into the mic, and me saying "what was that?" And "please repeat?" "Can you spell it?" and honestly, I don't even think the phonetic alphabet would have helped. I'm imagining how he would have mangled "victor" or "foxtrot".

    It was like he was talking backwards, or from the middle, out both ways.
     
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    Forked River, NJ. The Forked is two syllables. Fork-ed River.
     
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    This is the best explanation that fits all the facts.
     
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    Another one I don't quite get. When did "Eye" thirty become, "the" thirty?
     
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    Dunno.... in Cali, it’s The 405.... The 101..... The 91.....the 10. That’s what I grew up saying.
     
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    Ironically, I started to post at the end of the above, "I blame California" but I didn't. ;)
     
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    It's likely from all those years of listening to traffic reporters intone, "There's a wreck on the southbound 405 just past the 10, and it's backed up all the way back to the 101; the southbound 170 and the 101 are a little better ... "
     
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    “The” preceding a freeway number is a southern California thing. No one in from NorCal says it like that - it’s just “17” or “101”.