Seriously Apple, slowing down older iphones?

Fearless Tower said:
I dunno. Boeing is trading at $295 and they seem to provide better support for older products.
Click to expand...
RudyP said:
I assume you know this and were being facetious but in case not, apple is worth 5 times more than Boeing ($900B market cap vs $175B).
Click to expand...
Individual share price is meaningless. Only when you multiply share price times total outstanding shares do you get a somewhat meaningful number; ie, market cap.
 
RudyP said:
I assume you know this and were being facetious but in case not, apple is worth 5 times more than Boeing ($900B market cap vs $175B).

Not that I don’t agree that they have been screwing up a lot of things lately...
Click to expand...
I could quite honestly care less. I do know that as a shareholder, I’ve made one helluva lot more money on BA than Crapple.
 
Fearless Tower said:
I could quite honestly care less. I do know that as a shareholder, I’ve made one helluva lot more money on BA than Crapple.
Click to expand...

Ok. I’m not trying to change your mind. Again I am not a huge Apple fan these days.

That said, a lot more shareholder value has been created by apple than Boeing - as should be evident by the five times higher market cap. Share price, as JohnH mentions above, is really meaningless.

Also, I think you mean you could NOT care less.
 
Also, also, are you saying you have been a shareholder of both Boeing and Apple over the same time period and have made more money on Boeing? It is possible depending on timing but if you look at overall performance, AAPL has crushed BA. Say what you will about their products but AAPL has been a phenomenal investment.

2229E472-9C63-4437-8EAB-B400EEDFEB71.jpeg
 
Last edited:
Fearless Tower said:
I could quite honestly care less. I do know that as a shareholder, I’ve made one helluva lot more money on BA than Crapple.
Click to expand...
I usually look up to you and respect your posts.
But this is really hard to believe.
Unless you mean you have bought a few Boeing airplanes and sold them for a whopping profit.
 
JOhnH said:
I usually look up to you and respect your posts.
But this is really hard to believe.
Unless you mean you have bought a few Boeing airplanes and sold them for a whopping profit.
Click to expand...
I bought BA at $60 per share.....
 
Bill Jennings said:
Expecting people to buy a $600-1000 phone every two years is an unsustainable business model IMHO. We've seen the apex of Apple it seems.
Click to expand...
And yet people ware camping for days to buy a $1000 phone.
 
flhrci said:
But most of the country wants what you are smoking. LOL
Click to expand...

LOL. Not. But all they have to do is vote for it. They seem to like their war on a plant.

paflyer said:
And yet people ware camping for days to buy a $1000 phone.
Click to expand...

After that first one, which was an event because it was something new, the rest of the campouts say much more about how boring their lives are, than anything about the stupid phone. LOL.
 
teejayevans said:
New kernels are definitely slower than older stuff. And the video rendering even with hardware assist is terrible at times
Click to expand...
You can either have 2 lines of code, or you can have 2 pages of code accomplishing the same thing. I'll take my 2 lines thank you. :cool:
 
Fearless Tower said:
I bought BA at $60 per share.....
Click to expand...

Good for you. That is 735% return which is terrific. But based on a quick scan, the last time BA traded at $60 was Feb 2010. If you bought a single BA share that day, it would be worth $295 now which is impressive. If you’d spent that $60 on AAPL stock it would be worth $362. So you didn’t make a hell of a lot more return on BA. You made less.
 
Does anyone know if the software slowdown effects all older phones, or does it detect battery strenght and if low, then perform the slowdown crap?
If you have an older phone that is "slow" because of the software, would replacing the battery speed it back up?
 
JohnH - I tried to do some research on that question and couldn’t get a conclusive answer. As of right now, I don’t think anyone really knows (other than Apple). Really hope it’s the latter!
 
denverpilot said:
LOL. Same here.



The real trade off is Apple used to replace phones with poorly functioning batteries with refurbs, even long after AppleCare for a severe discount. This appears to be meddling to make sure the battery issue isn’t nearly as easy to see, like phones shutting down showing “30% remaining”.

Covering up the problem and slowing the phone is a way to say, “See? It still has eight hours of battery life. It doesn’t meet the criteria.”

They’re just getting greedy. Cook has no ideas, the brain trust left for Google and other greener pastures, and innovation is dead there. A few die hards are still there going, “Well I guess we could do yet another Unix filesystem...” for lack of vision and direction.

Cook is John Scully all over again. Wall Street loves him for a little while, customers are unimpressed and move on once they realize the feature set is lacking, and then the Board is desperate for the founder to come back, but he’s dead this time. Woz isn’t going to do it.

No vision. They’ll coast for a long time on their last real innovations but not forever. Late to wireless charging, late to a dock to turn the device into a desktop, late to OLED screens, late to glass cases (although that’s a backward step for something already as fragile as a mobile phone), did the stylus but only on the top of the line tablet and not the phones and charged big money for it, late to true multitasking and split screen...

... and their biggest competitor has leaks out on not one, but two better devices than their flagship.

Their best hope was to make their OS better and faster. They went completely the opposite direction. This is not how you “wow” people into remaining customers for life.

Samsung royally screwed up the battery thing on Note 7 but they made incredible deals on buying the next fixed gen device with more features to everyone who turned one in.

As far as the experience goes, a device that was once responsive is now slow and buggy if you were an early player in the “plus” sizes. 6 Plus is a horrid experience right now. Even typing is laggy. Let alone switching apps. This is a device that was only discontinued in September of last year and was still for sale until then.

There are users who bought these NEW only one year and three months ago, and iOS 11 utterly craps them out.

Very bad business at Apple these days. Awful in fact. They’re in full panic mode scrambling so hard to stay ahead of Samsung that they’re willing to crap on devices less than two years old.

iTunes, once the industry leader in freeing music by the song from the record labels? Done for. Streaming for the kids, and better music systems for those who collect files now. Horrid and buggy for many years.

iPhone, being surpassed by multiple competitors. App quality is the only thing saving it. Sure isn’t the built in “Mail” app. Or mobile Safari. LOL.

iPad. Again, some apps and disjointed android tablet market.

Mac desktops? High Sierra is literally nothing. It shouldn’t have even gotten a new name. LOL. Sealed all the machines up tight again in 2011 and no user upgrades. And a $5000 “Pro” desktop? Seriously? LOL. They’re doing this crap again? Wasn’t once enough for this mistake?

And headphone deals? Really? AirBuds or whatever?

They better hope they have a really really big announcement up their sleeves soon, because this is all stuff a company who’s run out of ideas acts like in tech. Competitors used to chase Apple. Now Apple is chasing them. Not good.
Click to expand...


I agree with all you say here. I have been a Mac/Apple fan and user since pretty much the beginning. I have Apple everything in my house, but I am seriously losing faith in them as a company and do believe they are just in it now to milk this cash cow to death. It leaves a lot of us kind of lost. I still absolutely hate Windows 10. My experience many years ago with Android back when Apple wouldn't play nice with Verizon, was miserable and nothing I've seen has convinced me that android is any nicer now, but when I end up getting a new phone, I may well bite the bullet and switch. I'm also considering building a Hackintosh for my next lap top. That's where you buy a windows machine but install Apple OS on it.

By the way, Apple has been doing this crappy strategy of slowing down their older desktop and lap top machines for years. They force you into a new OS and they make the new OS so big and bloated with "features" that it overwhelms the older machine's RAM and processors. I have had old machines turned into basically bricks by downloading the latest and greatest. They also make it as hard as possible to stay with the old OS. I suspect there is some of this in the Windows world too.

Basically, there is a whole lot of fixin' of that which is not broke in the computer world. :mad:
 
Last edited:
paflyer said:
And yet people ware camping for days to buy a $1000 phone.
Click to expand...

And that's it right there. No matter how bad it gets, if you go by one of those Apple stores in the mall, the place is still packed with people. People still regard Apple as hip and cool and are willing to pay... for now.
 
Dav8or said:
I have Apple everything in my house, but I am seriously losing faith in them as a company and do believe they are just in it now to milk this cash cow to death.
Click to expand...

I don’t think they’re doing it on purpose. I think Cook just doesn’t have the visionary talent that Jobs did. He’s a logistics guy. I can relate. But he’s in over his head and just repeating what he knows.

FastEddieB said:
I enjoy Apple Stores for the tech and ambiance.

At least for me, hip and cool don’t enter into it.
Click to expand...

It’s white MDF tables, a row of laptops, and a row of tablets and a row of (now outclassed) phones.

What tech? Or I should say, what new tech? They’re hawking basically what they built five years ago or copied from Samsung (or bought from them in the case of the OLED displays, and they didn’t even get the best ones.)

Oh, I forgot the cheaply built overpriced headphones... and Bluetooth earbuds... heh. Mmmm. Beats. LOL. Headphones that get a solid “beat” down by any pair of Sony studio headphones.
 
denverpilot said:
Damn it. Leave me to my fantasies from back when that stuff was written in C in RAM so small people had to be good. :)
Click to expand...
Sometimes I think I want to go work in embedded... and not embedded in the sense of shoving a full PC in something, but actual microcontroller type embedded. I enjoyed my personal projects years ago counting cycles and bit-banging serial.

Then I remember I make bucketloads of money implementing other peoples crappy open source code and realize I think my small scale dreams should stick to personal projects.
 
How's the KoolAid taste now, folks?
Strictly from the standpoint of failing batteries, it's a smart thing to do.
But Apple totally screwed the pooch by not announcing that this was what they were going to do.
Their decision to withold/lie about it is ethically, morally and professionally bankrupt.
Just my humble opinion.
 
Dav8or said:
I agree with all you say here. I have been a Mac/Apple fan and user since pretty much the beginning. I have Apple everything in my house, but I am seriously losing faith in them as a company and do believe they are just in it now to milk this cash cow to death.
Click to expand...

So, in summary, Apple is becoming the Narco of smart devices.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top