Searching for Safety Pilot in Central/Southern TX (Time build to 1500hrs)

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  1. ClaxStarr

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    Hey gang,
    I've got a 1969 PA-28-140 with 430WAAS, dual G5's, JPI FS-450 Fuel monitor, and Stratus USB charger (for Foreflight Ipad).
    (SUPER easy to fly)
    It's IFR certified and a pretty smooth bird.
    I'm building time to 1500 and putting 100-140 hours a month on it and I'm looking for someone to pay for gas (pro-rata split costs).
    We would switch off going under the hood on each leg in order to both log PIC time.
    I've been pulling the power back at altitude and flying at 85-90mph at 2300rpm and gettting 6-6.5 gph which comes to about $20-25/hr flight time.

    I'm located in north San Antonio, TX and don't mind flying a bit to pick anyone up each day.

    If you or anyone else is wanting to build time QUICK this is the way to go!
    Send me a PM or text at 832 538 3859
     
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    Dang. That's a LOT of flying out of pocket. Are you going anywhere or just boring holes in the CAVU skies of West Texas?
     
  3. ClaxStarr

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    Yep, I'm in the air 5-6 hours a day right now as long as I'm not doing some training.
    Right now I've just been criss-crossing S - N - E TX and back which averages 5-6 when I pull back the power for fuel efficiency.
    I did a couple of the Operation Airdrop missions to east of Houston last week which was helpful to Harvey victims as well as building time.
    At this rate, I'll have my 250 hr commercial time and instrument requirements done around the same time....
    I would much rather be in the air logging hours than sitting at home eating bon-bons in my free time :).

    I made the flight back from Atlanta, GA (picking up the plane) which was about 11 hours of time after stops.
    I'm all about making some long cross country trips to either coast, but I definitely want to have someone else with me for one of those trips.
     
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    Awesome man!! I am no where close, so not adding any value to your ask... But would love to see the pics of ur panel

    Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
     
  5. ClaxStarr

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    I will definitely post a picture as soon as I hit the 5 posts minimum and can post links to pics.
    I'm putting in the JPI FS-450 in the morning so I'll take a fresh pic tomorrow afternoon.
     
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    If either you get your CFI, or you team up with another CFI, then I *think* you can both log PIC time.
     
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    There are a TON of threads on here on that subject.
    You can either do it that way, or have one person be under the hood for simulated instrument time and one person being the designated safety pilot.
    My understanding is that if you switch off legs and each get 50+mile legs you can both log PIC and XC time.
    This has been the consensus with multiple CFI/CFII's that I've talked to as well.
     
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    Wouldn't it be cheaper and look much better to just get s job and get the hours that way?
     
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    Now offering reverse discounts.
    Sorta thinking the same thing once the CPL is accomplished... banner or glider tow, jump plane, etc.

    But until then, keep doing Operation Airdrop. Also consider Pilots n Paws and Angel Flight. The latter two will add a good sense of accomplishment in addition to the hours in your logbook.

    If you find yourself up near KDTO, let us know so some of the DFW gang can link up and share some hangar flying with you.
     
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  10. ClaxStarr

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    The plan is.....
    1) Get instrument and commercial done and get up to 500hrs.
    2) Network like crazy until then (be a airport rat) and hopefully make a friend that knows a guy that flies Citations/King Airs/ whatever.
    3) Get a job with some outfit that would allow me some better looking aircraft time.
    4) On days that I'm not flying for work, fly my plane the regular 5-6hrs.

    The problem is that the glider outfit here is not looking for anyone, the flight schools aren't busy enough to justify being a full time CFI (I'm talking 30-40hrs a month that the current CFI's are getting), and at the moment, jobs that I see flying charter / pipeline patrol / etc are requiring 1500+ hrs.

    I'm even keeping ears open for gigs in Houston/Austin/Dallas as I could easily fly my plane to work, park it, and hop in their plane. Time is time.

    As for now I'm only at 150hrs and still need to complete more ratings before anyone will even look at me.
    Speed is the name of the game though...
    I'd rather pay out of pocket and get 1500 hrs in a year instead of getting paid the meager CFI wage and take 3 yrs to get there.

    Having said that though, im always open to suggestions!
     
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    I found out yesterday that the operation airdrop flights stopped last Saturday... bummer!

    I actually fly to KMWL a few times a week, KDTO is only a few extra minutes so I'll definitely have to link up with y'all some time.
     
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    Wow, I didn't know this. I may be interested in your offer then, when I get back to the US in a about a month. I need 500 more hours PIC time. I have a few dozen hours in a PA28-181 Archer II.
     
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    Why get a job flying? If you can fly 150 hrs a month you must be independently wealthy already
     
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    OAD is shifting their focus toward Florida. So if you can find cheep lodging near their supply base, you could do several runs a day/week for them.

    And check into Angel Flight South Central, www.angelflightsc.org
     
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    Don't you need 500 hrs for Angel Flight?
     
  17. James331

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    Sounds like a expensive way to go about it, is this a you don't want to move thing or something?

    Tons of jobs out there if you don't mind moving
     
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    I beleive it's 250 PIC and instrument rating....?
     
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    I was added to the roster at about 250 hours and instrument rating in progress.

    The AFSC qualifications are on this page: http://www.angelflightsc.org/pilots/become-a-pilot
     
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    Wow sounds like a nice Cherokee..dual G5s and a 430
     
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    See, I would think some quality time building somewhere in there would be the name of the game. If I had my choice of pilots to fly my family and the choices were some guy that flew 5-6 hrs a day to build hours as fast as humanly possible and some guy that flew just about *any* other relevant flying, I know which one I would choose. Of course, I suppose someone will say, 'you'll never know which one you got".
     
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    Not sure this passes the smell test. From the Office of the General Counsel:

    "This responds to your request for a legal interpretation postmarked April 4, 2013. Your letter requests clarification concerning the logging of pilot-in-command (PIC) time under 14 C.F.R. § 61.51(e) as it applies to multiple pilots in a twin-engine aircraft.
    Your letter presents a scenario in which Pilot A and Pilot B rent a twin-engine aircraft certificated for single pilot operation so that Pilot A may make several practice approaches in order to maintain instrument currency. Both pilots have appropriate ratings for the aircraft. To simulate instrument flight rules (IFR) conditions while flying in visual meteorological conditions (VMC), Pilot A puts on a view-limiting device after takeoff and Pilot B acts as a safety pilot for that portion of the flight. Pilot A is the sole manipulator of the controls throughout the entire flight. Your letter asks who may log multi-engine PIC time in this scenario.

    Section 61.51(e) governs the logging of PIC flight time, and states in pertinent part that a sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log PIC time for the time during which that pilot is "the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges" or "acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under ... the regulations under which the flight is conducted."
    Your letter references the Legal Interpretation to John Speranza (Dec. 4, 2009), however, the Legal Interpretation to Jeff Gebhart (June 22, 2009), which is enclosed, is more applicable to your question.

    Mr. Gebhart's letter presented a scenario in which two pilots are flying during VMC conditions in an aircraft for which both pilots have appropriate ratings. Pilot A flies the aircraft and Pilot B acts as the pilot-in-command. We informed Mr. Gebhart that in this scenario Pilot A may log the entire flight as PIC flight time "because that pilot was the sole manipulator of the controls for the entire flight." Additionally, Pilot B may log PIC time for the time during which Pilot B acted as the safety pilot for Pilot A's simulated instrument flight "because Pilot B was a required flight crewmember for that portion of the flight" under 14 C.F.R. § 91.109(c).
    In the scenario you present Pilot A may log the entire flight as PIC time as that pilot is the sole manipulator of the controls for the entire flight.

    Assuming that Pilot Bis acting as PIC for the flight, Pilot B may log any portion of the flight during which Pilot A operated in simulated instrument flight and Pilot B acted as the safety pilot because Pilot B's presence is required for that portion of the flight under § 91.109(c).

    However, if Pilot A is acting as PIC for the flight, then only Pilot A may log PIC time during the flight. Pilot B is a required crewmember under § 91.109(c) and may log second-in-command (SIC) time under§ 61.51(f) during the time that Pilot A operates in simulated instrument conditions. See Legal Interpretation to William F. Trussell (July 24, 2012) (enclosed).
    These logging rules apply regardless of whether the pilots are flying a multi-engine aircraft."

    The FAA has seen thousands of attempts to make the regulations fit a particular pilot's scenario and they are seldom if ever fooled.

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    it might be best Net Present value for him to do it this way

    let's sya his cost to fly is $50 (25 fuel and 25 MX)

    he splits that with someone else. so he essentially pays $25/hr to fly per hour of PIC.

    if he needs 1,200 hours that's $30,000
    flying 6 hours a day is 200 days to ATP

    If he takes a job flying, is he going to get 6 hours a day or is he going to get 0 one day, 8 another day, 3 the next day, etc? While those hours are "free", he potentially gets to the airlines a lot sooner by flying a ton every day, even if he has to pay for it himself, and probably makes that money back in about 2 years through faster advancement.

    Ideally, he'd find a job that pays him x hours per day and still flew the other 2-3 on his dime. the problem is, he'd not be able to get a partner then, as he'd have a hard time arranging "shared" flight time if he's scheduling around a job
     
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    I was not aware that pretty airplane time was better than ugly airplane time....;):lol::lol:
     
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    I'd love to be a fly on the wall during his interview when they look at this hours vs work history.

    Shy of desperate regionals, don't think his method is going to exactly put him ahead in the job seeker herd
     
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    So to "qualify" for an entry level job you need to have been paid to acquire the 1500 hours?
     
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    Need no, but I'd rather hire someone who WORKED as a pilot, not just someone who did their own burger run thing for 1500hrs, as someone who has flown a decent amount both for myself and for work, there is a difference in the flying.
     
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    Yeah, also pointed out in a previous thread, but the OP doesn't agree with that interpretation. :rolleyes:
     
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    Should be caught by the recommending CFII...if not, by the DE.

    Bob
     
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    Actually we kind of need to stay put for the time being. I'm working off of saved money from my previous job for all of this flight time while my wife continues working her engineer position. Staying in Texas means she can continue to exercise her professional engineer license without taking another state's PE test.
    So my savings are paying for the flight time on my plane (until I can find a gig to pay me to fly), and her salary is paying the bills for the time being.

    Which is also why I'm trying to get this done so fast.. we've got a fixed budget for flying and nanny costs.. the longer it takes, the more money we'll need for someone to take care of the kiddos while we're both working.


    It really is a nice bird to fly.
    There's a ton of information at your fingertips.



    I'm confused here..

    You're saying you'd rather have a pilot that flew 1200 hours of pipeline patrol as <1000agl over someone that flew 1200hrs of what is essentially multiple mock commuter flights every day?

    By that I mean multiple legs, multiple approaches, multiple flight followings/IFR flight plans, etc.

    I fail to see why my flying 5 hours in a day is a bad thing?

    In your mind, does only flying for 1-2 hours a day over 5 years a better way to go?


    On the other hand, you have people that work as CFI's for 2-4 years that are restricted to teaching the same basic maneuvers over and over again without really ever doing any substantive cross country flights.


    In my mind, flying 400-500nm per day in 3+ legs is a pretty accurate representation of what flying in the regionals/majors will look like.

    (this is also coming from family members that work for SkyWest and Delta....)


    I'm not trying to be combative/defensive, I'd really like to know where you're coming from on this.



    This is exactly what my plan is...
    Fly for someone and when I'm not actively flying, build time on my own dime in my own plane instead of sitting on my hands and waiting for someone to call.


    hahaha I think you know what I meant!


    Maybe you didn't read my other posts about what the plan in totality is...
    Flying my plane on my dime is a supplement to a future (paid) flying gig.

    No need to sit on your hands and wait.



    Bob, what I’m talking about is the second scenario.

    It’s not letting me copy paste so I’ll just summarize.


    Pilot A is the sole manipulator of the controls and operates under the hood for a portion of the flight.

    Pilot B is acting as the PIC for the flight during the time that A is under the hood.


    Pilot A gets to log XC & PIC for the entire flight, while Pilot B gets to log PIC, but not XC, for the duration of A’s under the hood time (which you can make damn near the entire flight).


    When you make legs of your daily route be in excess of 50nm, it is the pilot’s discretion as to which legs are discreet legs (page 4).


    This way, Pilot A and Pilot B can switch roles for different portions of the day’s routing and yes both do not log PIC & XC for the entire portion, but both will get the benefit of logging PIC for almost the entire time, while also logging XC for half of the day’s flight time.



    *wipes brow* now i'm going to go grab a beer.
     
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    Your going to get a lot of flack here - it is part of what PoA is. Some of it could very well be factual and some of it may just be typical opinions. I can't say anything about the legalities of the whole PIC/safety pilot thing so I won't comment there.

    The fella who owned my Cherokee before me did EXACTLY what you are doing. He is an American Airlines mechanic in Chicago. Interestingly enough he kept this airplane in Phoenix (his dad lives here). He would fly down here for two weeks at a time and literally fly like 8-10 hours a day. He put 1000 hours on this airplane in two years. Totally insane to me, but he got it done. He didn't have any issues with regionals not liking the fact that he paid his way and didn't go the CFI route, etc.
     
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    yeah....I knew what ya meant..... just yankin' your chain bud..!!!

    Sounds like a good plan, I am sure you will hit some snags, but that is part of flying.

    Man, it's been years since I had a beer on the river walk....
     
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    Something I might consider doing. Sounds safer than getting hundreds of hours towing banners for barely any money
     
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    I am out of Stinson in SAT. Just passed my checkride. So all I have flown is the 172 lol. I will probably be looking for a safety pilot soon so I can get my hood hours eventually.
     
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    Sky Safety might be looking for CFI. They are needing them I think. Few just leaving to the regional airlines.
     
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    You need 250 hrs to do angel flight and he said he isn't there.
     
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    Now THERES a guy that knows how to use the 'quote' function! Good job!

    Claxx, you might have convinced me if that's what youre doing. Kinda sounded like you were going up, plugging in the autopilot and surfing the 'net for 6 hours a day. Doing 'meaningful' x/c work is probably a good way to do it if you can fund all that, which it sounds like youre doing. Come up to DTO some time. I'll go somewhere with ya!
     
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    But at the rate he anticipates, it won't be long before he passes that milestone.
     
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    @ClaxStarr ... I know of someone who is nearing captain at Skywest. If you want some insight as to how to qualify for the interview, be successful during the interview, then make the most of the employment opportunity, I'll share her information.
     
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    Never really understood the hours requirements. I get experience requirements and demonstrated ability but hours is nonsense.

    Let's say a guy had 200 hours in a tailwheel airplane but flew it 3 hours at a time and made 1 landing each time vs. a guy who has say 65 hours and 250 landings which guy has more experience?

    A guy who has significant CFI time has demonstrated his ability to keep ahead of the student and the airplane and in theory teaching something makes you better at it.

    Time sitting in the seat doesn't mean all that much. IMHO