resume own navigation... orlando bravo

[francisco collazos]

So yesterday we were coming back from Flagler to Brooksville with flight following and of course once we passed Deland we got this specific direction from ATC.. Resume your own navigation to Brooksville, cleared through the Orlando Bravo. So I thought what would stop me from flying over Orlando international and then on to Brooksville. Haha ..

 

[midlifeflyer]

So yesterday we were coming back from Flagler to Brooksville with flight following and of course once we passed Deland we got this specific direction from ATC.. Resume your own navigation to Brooksville, cleared through the Orlando Bravo. So I thought what would stop me from flying over Orlando international and then on to Brooksville. Haha ..

Nothing until Orlando TRACON, which was anticipating something at least approximating a direct route, instructed you to turn (or asked what the heck you were doing).

 

[Larry in TN]

If the controller wants something more specific then the controller needs to include applicable restrictions.

From the P/CG:
RESUME OWN NAVIGATION− Used by ATC to advise a pilot to resume his/her own navigational
responsibility. It is issued after completion of a radar vector or when radar contact is lost while the aircraft is being
radar vectored.

 

[Salty]

The assumption when issuing that directive is that you’d be going roughly in the direction of brooksville. If you turn 45 degrees off course, and hold that for awhile, as an example, they’re likely you ask you what’s up. And they probably won’t give you as much freedom after that.

If you are planning a waypoint in your navigation it’s best to let them know about it unless it’s fairly close to your course to your destination.

They are telling you to resume navigation to your destination, not anywhere you might want to go.

 

[sarangan]

So yesterday we were coming back from Flagler to Brooksville with flight following and of course once we passed Deland we got this specific direction from ATC.. Resume your own navigation to Brooksville, cleared through the Orlando Bravo. So I thought what would stop me from flying over Orlando international and then on to Brooksville. Haha ..

These clearances depend on a mutual understanding and a predictable flow between the pilot and air traffic control. When ATC says, “Resume own navigation to Brooksville,” it means, “I trust you know how to get there, so I won’t be providing vectors.” However, if the pilot acts unpredictably, that trust can break down. In extreme cases, ATC could revoke the Class B clearance and issue an immediate vector to exit the airspace.

 

[luvflyin]

So yesterday we were coming back from Flagler to Brooksville with flight following and of course once we passed Deland we got this specific direction from ATC.. Resume your own navigation to Brooksville, cleared through the Orlando Bravo. So I thought what would stop me from flying over Orlando international and then on to Brooksville. Haha ..

Were you on a vector? What are the Identifiers for Flagler, Deland and Brooksville? What altitude were you at? I can’t make any sense of this so far.

 

[Salty]

Were you on a vector? What are the Identifiers for Flagler, Deland and Brooksville? What altitude were you at? I can’t make any sense of this so far.

 

[luvflyin]

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Thx. Ok, looks like he was going via over KDED to dodge R2910. Controller was intending to let him pick off a piece of the Bravo to the Northwest. So, nothing regulatory prevents him from flying over KMCO. But @sarangan describes in post #5 why not to do it.

 

[Brad Z]

So I thought what would stop me from flying over Orlando international and then on to Brooksville. Haha ..

14 CFR 91.99 Prohibition from Operating like a Richard
a) Don’t be a Dick

But seriously, when you checked in with the Orlando approach controller that issued you the class B clearance, did he or she ask if you were direct destination? If so, the assumption is you will continue thst route under your own navigation.

 

[Let'sgoflying!]

I didn't see a question.
Or a clearly stated concern.

 

[donjohnston]

Whenever I flew from Panama City to Sebastian (which I’ve done a lot), I flew right over the middle of MCO on a heading of 090 at about 3,000’ every single time.

 

[Clip4]

So yesterday we were coming back from Flagler to Brooksville with flight following and of course once we passed Deland we got this specific direction from ATC.. Resume your own navigation to Brooksville, cleared through the Orlando Bravo. So I thought what would stop me from flying over Orlando international and then on to Brooksville. Haha ..

“Turn left heading two four zero, expect on course in 70 miles”

 

[midlifeflyer]

Whenever I flew from Panama City to Sebastian (which I’ve done a lot), I flew right over the middle of MCO on a heading of 090 at about 3,000’ every single time.

No surprise there.

 

[Ventucky Red]

If the controller wants something more specific then the controller needs to include applicable restrictions.

Going through the LAX or even close to it I have been asked for my intended route.

 

[francisco collazos]

Were you on a vector? What are the Identifiers for Flagler, Deland and Brooksville? What altitude were you at? I can’t make any sense of this so far.

No vector was given on the way back and interestingly enough the last two times we have flown to the east coast I have gotten the resume own navigation from atc. I have not heard that the prior 3 years I have been flying. We departed Flagler and got flight following shortly after and they gave us an altitude of 4500 but we had to get down to about 3k due to clouds. After passing south of daytona inner shelf they had us turn to brooksville and around Deland they gave us the resume own navigation cleared through the Bravo.

Two times during our flight there were planes that were fairly close to us (<1000ft) and both times no comment from ATC.

 

[luvflyin]

No vector was given on the way back and interestingly enough the last two times we have flown to the east coast I have gotten the resume own navigation from atc. I have not heard that the prior 3 years I have been flying. We departed Flagler and got flight following shortly after and they gave us an altitude of 4500 but we had to get down to about 3k due to clouds. After passing south of daytona inner shelf they had us turn to brooksville and around Deland they gave us the resume own navigation cleared through the Bravo.

Two times during our flight there were planes that were fairly close to us (<1000ft) and both times no comment from ATC.

ok. Resume own navigation is not a thing in that scenario. You were always on your own navigation. Nothing to resume from. They assigned you a route to follow but you are the one navigating that route. This misapplication of ‘resume own navigation’ is not uncommon by ATC. Ain’t really no big deal at the end of the day.

 

[Papa Pilot]

This happened to me last week. Transitioning Charlie airspace on a SE course. Got a vector to fly 180, then another to fly 90. By the time I was given "resume own navigation" my original course was just ahead of me so I figured I just keep going and rejoin my original flight path.

About 30 sec after the "resume own navigation" call I get another call asking me to "confirm my destination". Clearly the controller wanted me to turn toward my destination on the "resume own navigation" call (i.e., direct, enter, enter).