Reporting low altitude aircraft?

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    :rofl::rofl::rofl: Yeah, I've pointed that out before, however, one should remember, as a utility pilot, the FAA could give a **** if you kill yourself and no one else. That's pretty much what all of restricted category is all about. "Ok, you want to use that as a tool to do work and make money, fine, but only for work and you can't ever haul passengers in that plane, required crew only. You think it's safe and the people paying the bill need it done, have at it."
     
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    Thanks for the warm welcome! I do apologize that my first post was so long-winded, but there were a lot of tangents in this thread. :D
     
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    10 pages on this subject and I didnt read anything about possible retaliation from the accused. I have always found it prudent to leave folks alone unless I had no choice. People are crazy and unpredictable. This low flying pilot could get really upset and track you down and kill you in a rage! Best to mind your own affairs which may help you live a longer and fuller life.
     
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    It really annoys me when people call 911 to report low flying aircraft. We live in an area with hills, and mountains and rivers. Most of the whiners that call live on a hillside and the planes are flying at eye level to them . Mind you, they are flying over the river.

    callers insisting that I send a deputy to arrest these dangerous pilots. Then they get all bent out of shape when I tell them that the pilot is perfectly legal. And if they weren't legal, not a damn thing my deputies could do. Not going to arrest a pilot for busting a FAR.
     
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    So, it is Tuesday, the FSDO was open yesterday. What did you decide?

    Are you going to post the video?
     
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    Give him time, it will take more then 8 hours for him to explain all of the bad pilot's transgressions.:D
     
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    I flew into Cashmere to get BBQ at your suggestion. It's a bit ironic that people were calling you to complain that I had come at your invitation. :rolleyes:
     
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    I mentioned getting sued, defamation of character maybe?

    Gettin his ass kicked is a very obvious possibility too
     
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    I can see your point a view, and heaven knows their are too many that go to DEFCON 1 immediately. That said, I personally would call the pilot first if I were that concerned.

    The OP got roughed up pretty good in here on several fronts including age ... amazing as I imagine most here would go out of their way to help a stranded pilot on a long XC.

    On an age related note: The CFI that performed my transition training had just turned 22 and had a TON of flying experience (gliders, freight dog, etc.). Being over twice his age I was initially skeptical, but remained neutral ... afterwards he indicated that I was his first older (I'm 51) student that didn't question him on his experience. I laughed and told him I actually did ... when I asked him how he got into flying during our San Antonio to EL Paso XC, he pretty much filled in all the gaps. His knowledge of all things avionics without pulling a manual as well as stick and rudder skills was amazing. Don't pre-judge the younger pilots guys - there are amazing ones out there.
     
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    I started flying at 15 so I shouldn't have anything against young pilots. I would say the OP suffered a perception and people failure that might be age related(hope it is so he can grow out of it.)
     
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    You don't post on a forum full of pilots asking whether you should snitch on another pilot and then get upset when some people express opinions strongly opposed to your own. That just reeks of trolling. If you're really concerned about it, and not just getting a high over the thought of reporting someone to the authorities, then go for it. Unless the video you have clearly identifies the aircraft being flown AND shows the aircraft being flown in an unlawful manner, odds are your report will just fall by the wayside with the hundreds, if not thousands, of reports called in by aviation-ignorant citizens. Heck, if what you saw really was so bad, why not just post the video for everyone here to see? At least then we'll have some evidence upon which we can base a rational opinion.

    Personally, I think people are way too quick these days to start dialing 911 every time they see something they deem "suspicious" or "dangerous."
     
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    So from the looks of it, what "most" young grads lack in judgment, you make up for by judging them yourself.

    I mean, you're telling me that I'm not debating while it's been said by more than a couple people that I've been maintaining a substantive discussion the whole way through. Go ahead and pick out something from a point I've made if you'd like to be specific, what are you going to tell me? FAR's aren't for following or reporting when they're broken? I'm unable to judge how high aircraft fly or the area they fly over? I'm fully incapable of making my own judgments and decisions about safety? Where do you get off? Since I'm apparently not capable of judging those simple things while you are a professional at this point at judging all kinds of things, go ahead and tell everyone what you think of the subject at hand? I'd love to know.

    Yeah, I did have classes with stuff about the FSDO in it. I also had a ton of classes with nothing to do with safety. Pardon me if, over the course of the last 4 years, I've not actually reported someone first hand. I know that might blow your mind that people like me don't actually actively hunt for pilots based on jealousy and entitlement while flaunting my obvious lack of experience but bear with me here, I'm going to make a point.

    Allow me to direct you to the posts on the PoA forum made daily by pilots with all levels of experience to brush up on basics. You name it and it's been asked here. Why? Because real pilots don't stop training, they don't stop asking questions, they don't stop taking advice, and they sure as hell don't end up with a closed mind like yours. Excuse me for asking a question about something I knew a while ago and don't know now. It's an egregious error on my part and it obviously invalidates my entire argument. The airport manager is a guy and he wasn't in the day of. Also, he said we'd handle it on Monday and that we'd talk about it then. How awful!

    Yeah, I sure came here to commiserate and get the internet karma of beating down on a poor defenseless pilot that I just pounced on the second he came to the airport. I also came here to totally get kudos for beating down on said pilot. Back to reality. Look at the original post. Let that sink in for a minute. What does it ask? Oh, I don't know, how do I go about reporting a dangerous pilot to the proper place. Yeah, that sure is inflammatory, obviously pining for people to come in and argue with me about reporting in the first place.

    Maybe next time I should post a thread about flap usage in the pattern to get everyone to argue, that's obviously my motive. Even if that was the case, why on earth would I spend the time and energy trying to get my point across to people like you?

    What "facts" did I add? And how did they make people further question my argument? They've been doing that from the beginning of the entire thread.

    As a fresh college graduate, what I find you are lacking is that same book knowledge and the fresh perspective that's being applied today in the "modern times". It's okay, you still have a heaping helping of the judgment that comes with that "experience" of yours. Unfortunately, being as closed minded as you seem to be in your posts, I'm not sure if you'll ever hit that golden 'balance' you talk about yourself.


    Honestly, it's no one's right here to even see the video in the first place. It's not like I have anything to prove to the people who don't think I have eyes and sound enough judgment :dunno:

    Thank you for the suggestion. My thing with just talking to the guy is that he may have been talked to before by people who weren't going to report him instead and he just did it again. I don't know. A lot of the people here are pushing me to talk to the guy, while at the same time telling me that I'm borderline stalking pilots trying to catch them off guard in the first place.

    The only way I can be sure of a dangerous pilot being reprimanded is reporting it so that the FSDO can judge it. In my opinion, it wouldn't do anything - the guy wasn't told in flight training that it's cool to buzz towns and that it's legal, and during pilot training he was taught the FAR's. He knew he was breaking the rules and most likely wouldn't care less, especially coming from a younger guy like me (which according to a few people here, means I have a worthless opinion and even more worthless judgment). :dunno:


    Yeah, okay, obviously relevant to the subject at hand. Reporting a pilot for doing something clearly illegal is somehow being overzealous :dunno:

    Karma was already addressed earlier in the post and discounted, I suggest you do the same.

    Remind me how on earth YOU are able to estimate what altitude aircraft are flying at yourself, if you don't mind me asking? Or do you just never do that? And if that's the case, how can you discount my estimations when you've never done it yourself? :dunno:

    He flew directly over the terminal and over the town. If it was just the airport once or twice I could understand, maybe reading the wind sock or something since he has no radio for the AWOS, but the town and that many times? I don't think so.

    The only real points of contention I have with your well thought out post is that I'd report a pilot regardless of whether an airport is going under, and that I underwent flight training outside of ERAU.

    First, a stupid pilot can get himself killed, crash and kill a family, and then the public gets even more ****ed off at general aviation than they already are. If the guy gets reported and is found to be indeed dangerous, he gets reprimanded or removed from the flying public.

    Also, the ERAU safety classes were very good and very thorough. To me, it doesn't matter if the safety expectations don't match the 'real world' in practice -in order to increase safety, you have to aim at the "perfect world". How else can it improve?

    First off, welcome to PoA. Thank you for making probably the best worded post in opposition to my point of view.

    That being said, I do have a few points to contest:

    The reason the altitude requirements are in the FAR's is because the FAA believes that it is dangerous for pilots to be that low. Most FAR's are written in blood because pilots did stupid things or had something happen where they ended up killing themselves and possibly other people. Student pilots and professional pilots have died from doing the same thing that this guy did - look at the article that Fast Eddie posted earlier on. The guy had thousands of hours. Experience or no, things happen that low that are impossible to recover from regardless of skill level. It's not to limit the fun of the pilot or their freedom, it's downright dangerous to themselves, the people under them, and the industry after they ball up an airplane. That brings me to my second point.

    Fair enough, but what do you think happens every time a pilot does something stupid or kills people on the ground or both? More regulations to tell them not to do that in the first place? That's the point of the FAR's telling you about minimum altitude, many pilots have killed themselves flying too low and that's why it's illegal. It's not even about legislating everything out of aviation, it is to increase safety so that aviation will grow because people don't see a dangerous and reckless pilot crash into a house because he was flying too low :dunno:

    The more pilots that break the rules put in place specifically for preventing the accidents that have happened in the past, or for that matter argue that the rules don't apply to them because they're some sort of cowboy, the more people will believe that aviation is unsafe and the industry will not grow. The media already blows aircraft crashes out of proportion as it is, why do we need to give them more ammunition to destroy or harm the industry we all enjoy?

    My last point on your post is based on your comment about it being disheartening to go talk to the guy and that it might have changed things for the better. Fair enough, I could've gone out to the pump if I'd gotten to him first and pulled him aside and told him what he was doing was unsafe and asked him not to do it again. What says that he wouldn't have the exact same reaction as some of the people in this thread?

    "Oh, you don't know nothin', you're just a young kid without any hours or experience and I know better than you".

    What's to say someone hasn't already asked him to knock it off, and I'm the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th person to do so? The only way to be sure is to report him to the FSDO. If you're already breaking the rules, doing wrong pattern entries, flying way too low, what's the chance he's going to listen to anyone other than an inspector? And at least if the inspector gets a hold of him he may at least ask the guy to knock it off and it goes on file in case more complaints arise. If he blows off the inspector he's in hot water. I can't see any downside here - so what if it's an "inconvenience" or if the FSDO inspector asks for my information - I don't have anything to hide. Contrary to popular belief, I'm not calling this guy out for no reason, and if most of you truly believed that the FSDO would grill me or that I didn't have a case, you'd probably encourage me so I got grilled :dunno:.

    That being said, thank you for your post. :yes:

    Buzzing the field is one thing. Flying military aircraft is another thing. I'm not even going to reply to the immaturity comment.

    You'd think being in the military that you'd be aware that military aircraft are different than Part 91. F-16's and A-10's and your AH-64 routinely fly that low for training. This is a non-issue :dunno:

    One would also think that being a crop duster, you'd recognize that you are subject to different rules. This was a part 91 aircraft, a personal plane that wasn't doing anything that would allow him to be that low.

    Calling someone who is trying to follow the rules a "do gooder", especially when they are trying to do good for the industry as a whole, is kind of asinine. Before you come back saying that the FAR's aren't good for the industry, go ahead and read up on the NTSB accident report database for pilots flying too low and killing people. Then take it up with the FAA instead of me. Thanks for your post.

    Probably didn't mention it, but it's almost entirely flat near the airport here.

    I didn't get a hold of the video as I didn't take it (I was too busy with the binocs). The report has not been posted yet.

    Seriously trolling in every post you can get in edgewise, not even worth responding to you anymore because you don't have anything to add :dunno:

    Defamation of character? Really? No wonder everyone's afraid of speaking out, all you can think about is getting sued like the rest of the US :rolleyes2: screw safety, I don't want to be sued! And yeah, if the guy was violent then sure, why not?

    Thank you for the story! While I believe I'm not quite on that level of flight ability, I feel pretty mature on the safety side of the whole thing compared to a lot of the pilots on here :yes:

    So a post asking for information about reporting is obvious trolling? Okay buddy, like I've said to every other post in here calling that, that's a pretty weak argument.

    The video isn't anyone's business and I have nothing to prove by posting it for any kind of justification. From the rest of the posts in here, many of these pilots are about as ignorant as the flying public, and they've been trained on the rules to boot.

    The FAR's are the law. This is a pilot breaking the law. This is not based on suspicion of breaking the law. This point of "well, it's just him being whiny about something" is stupid because it is deemed by the FAA to be dangerous enough to be against the law. Go take it up with them if you think that it's not worth following.
     
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    And if the guy was really buzzing a town at 500' I fully agree he was breaking the law, maybe even dangerously so. I'm sure it's already been brought up, but, have you ever driven faster than the speed limit? That's also a violation of a law put in place to make our roads safer. Yet, I'm fairly confident in saying that anyone who denies ever having exceeded a speed limit is either a liar, or is too young to drive. Sure, if I saw a car doing 80 MPH in my residential neighborhood repeatedly I'd call the cops. But that's your call to make, and probably not one I'd be so gung-ho about following up on if I were in your shoes. Not unless the behavior I observed was VERY likely to result in injury or death. What I really find difficult to believe is that you started this thread solely to get a phone number or email address to report dangerous activity without, at the very least, the additional intent of starting a (very likely) abrasive conversation. Try http://www.faa.gov/contact/ for starters. It took me less time to find than it did to write two sentences of this post.
     
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    I actually strive to do the speed limit every time I set foot in the car (go figure). Have I gone over? Sure, and I see your point. I believe that we can both agree that there's a lot more that can go wrong with a low flying airplane than a speeding car.

    Suppose the engine fails on the airplane, where are you going to go even if you are quick to get to best glide? Over a populated area like the place he was flying over, he's likely to plow into the side of a house or hit cars on the tiny streets :dunno: Sure there's I-40 but that's well out of glide range and still has a ton of light poles in the center divider. If he was at proper height where he was over the city, he could probably at least get it to the airport where it is open.

    If a tire blows on the car, if you are quick and don't oversteer, not a huge problem. Zero fatalities if the driver is lucky or prepared, is that fair to claim? If you want to get into the ugly about it, sure they could head on a bus or something and watch it flip over, but what's the worst situation you could think of that a small plane could do damage wise?

    It's pretty silly to claim I'm getting a "high" off calling it into the cops - if you're of the opinion that I do this all the time, wouldn't I know how to do it in the first place?

    If I was aiming to get people going for some reason, wouldn't I have asked in the first place if it was right or wrong and stood back as the sparks flew? Instead, I've been trying to reply to the people who claim that it's stupid and none of my business maturely and thoroughly :dunno:

    I also figured that the thread would get maybe 6 replies and then just die off, like when other people post questions about information regarding pilot training or use of flaps etc.
     
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    Unless innocent people were in grave danger, when it comes to this kind of stuff my answer to any question about getting the FAA involved is to MYOFB.
     
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    Okay, everyone just mind their own business. Not like anyone who's inherently dangerous is going to do anything worth regretting.

    That lady across the street is getting mugged but it's okay, don't call the cops, you don't know her and it's just too much effort to pick up the phone.

    :rolleyes2:
     
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    Okay then, fair enough.

    At what point does it become "dangerous enough" to report if the FAR's (that were written in blood mind you) aren't a "good enough" measure?

    1000 feet AGL? 500 feet? 100, 10?
     
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    Therein lies your biggest mistake. :rofl:

    I wont judge one way or the other about what the other pilot was doing. I didn't see it myself.The only thing I can say (and I'd be repeating myself in doing so) is that if he really was buzzing a town at low altitude, he was in the wrong. Also, the risk of an engine failure is, statistically speaking, a very tiny one. Additionally, altitude can be deceiving from the perspective of someone on the ground. For all I know, he could have been practicing eight's on pylons and flying at his pivotal altitude. That said, you won't find me busting minimum safe altitude regs (or any other reg) without either a waiver from the FAA, an emergency that requires me to do so, or a gun to the back of my head.
     
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    Fair enough. Just saying, even though legally you are correct that he was in the wrong (if it is as you say), and everyone who is against you is technically wrong... There is always a little play in the real world. Heck, air traffic controllers let deviations go everyday. There's no stopping everything.

    That said the folks that seem to think they are above this FAR should stop harassing you since ultimately in a perfect world they have no argument. Basically they just don't want someone who "tattles" routinely... You know, since we've reverted back to the first grade. I wouldn't avoid your airport. If a pilot wants to avoid you then they must have something they don't want seen. The few folks that said this should also think a little deeper. It's like avoiding the kid on the playground because you stole his lunch and he told the teacher.

    Anyway- it's your call and you're gonna do what you're gonna do. I don't want to influence you either way. I'm glad to see that you don't revert to the rude comments that others have been throwing at you. That's a much better sign of maturity than age.
     
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    Not really a mistake at this point, It's actually turned into a pretty big learning experience so far.

    If the risk of engine failure and flying at low altitude was so uncommon, the NTSB report database wouldn't be full of pilots getting killed under those circumstances. Or youtube full of videos of pilots crashing by flying too low when things hit the fan.

    Thank you for being basically the first opponent to my opinion to outright admit that it's not something you saw so you ultimately can't pass judgment.

    For what my opinion is worth, he was not a crop duster, not a military aircraft, not any type of aircraft doing anything that he would have been allowed at that altitude doing what he did. I wasn't on a hill or anything that would somehow impair my judgment of how high he was flying and where he was. He was lower than he should have been by at least two pilots opinions and flying dangerously. I wouldn't ever fly the way he was either.
     
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    Lots of stuff;however flying over a town at 500' doesn't by default meet that definition. There's lots of stupid stuff that go's on in aviation, but calling the FSDO on anyone and everyone who does something unsafe and illegal is a real good way to alienate yourself in this business. Plus is allows them to put undue attention on you, the reporter.
     
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    Honestly, I would probably let it slide if it wasn't so dangerous. ATC let me slide on my first solo long cross country during pilot training for entering the wrong side of the pattern. I got chewed out sure, but I deserved that and I haven't done it since and I'm not bitter about it or super defensive about the "man" being out to get me. This guy, in my humble opinion, was endangering everyone below him and being reckless.

    I agree that it's incredibly immature for some pilots here to say they'd never come to the airport. I've already more or less demonstrated that I'm not out to get anyone - it's a safety issue and I'm going to call them on it if they are unsafe. If they're not unsafe, then they indeed have nothing to worry about. Must say something about the kind of people who say that :yes:

    Thank you for your mature and rational post - it's nice to see those every 10-20 posts so far!
     
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    No problem. And by the way, you're in airport ops based on your profile. Is reporting this incident something your boss knows about or wants you to do? Just wondering.
     
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    Even with the possibility of flying at 500 feet and losing an engine, you believe that it doesn't meet that definition of grave danger? Don't forget stalls, sudden microbursts, really anything that would hit the fan and reduce your time to recover. I'd call that putting people below you in danger.

    I disagree that it's a good way to alienate yourself to report things that are unsafe and illegal. That's not how the aviation industry is going to grow and thrive - if people are unsafe and it becomes a rule of thumb or remains that way, how can anything get better? I stated a few posts back that if it came down to it, I'd never work at a place that embraced those kind of habits. And if that's a thing that happens today on a widespread scale, then that needs to change. The only way for that to happen is to be proactive about safety :dunno:

    We told him about the incident as it happened and he told us to take his tail number and get video if possible and that we'd talk about it on Monday. I didn't work Monday and barely talked to him today but honestly not sure about how he's thinking. I am still leaning towards filing the report anyway, but the pilot with the video hasn't shared copies yet anyway.
     
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    Well, a quick search of the NTSB database for the past 20 years shows 523 hits for VMC flights including "engine failure" in the written report. Further limiting those reports to only accidents that were fatal reduces the number down to 141. (Actual criteria used was: Part 91, personal use, VMC, and then either "all" or "fatal" for injury severity) I don't think that points to a very high risk of an engine failure on any given GA flight. In fact, if you talk to most GA pilots, I'd bet the odds are high they've never had an engine die on them. Not that that justifies violating 91.119.

    The rest of your last response I have no criticism of.
     
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    I've found the NTSB database to be pretty clunky to work with, but I won't disagree with your opinion that engine failure isn't a very common occurrence. Flying is all about risk mitigation though, and I believe the FAA either made the FAR 91.119 in direct response to a series of crashes or because the risk associated with flying that low is too great (considering engine failure and spins and stalls and everything bad that gets instantly worse by not having enough time to recover or plan or glide). I have a hard time believing that they just passed it to prevent pilots from flying that low for any other reason. My google-fu isn't strong enough to find out exactly what caused it to become a FAR. Unlike other major accident-born FAR's that is.
     
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    Helicopters fly low over populated areas all the time and somehow people don't die everyday from helicopters falling out of the sky. As for all of the, "what if's" you posted...Yes, they are possibilities, but so is having a bus come crashing through your living room wall due to speeding followed by sudden brake failure, so with that logic we should report every bus driver we see going a little too fast with excessively squeaky brakes.
     
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    The same situation was brought up earlier in the thread with a satellite. Also a helicopter pilot told me that there are places in Las Vegas for the low flying helicopters (who are not as bound to the low-altitude FAR as aircraft) specifically open for helicopters to land in an emergency. Take that how you will - I think that they are allowed to fly lower because they can recover from it better than aircraft and land in places much smaller if they have problems. I'm not a helicopter pilot though so correct me if I'm wrong by all means.

    You are equating a random, unpredictable, unstoppable event with one that is reportable and perfectly preventable.

    I can't stop a bus from running me over randomly in the street, but I can report a dangerous bus driver to possibly prevent it from happening to someone else. Agree or disagree?
     
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    Wow this thread is still active.






    So can I fly a super cub over a city at 100ft AGL?
     
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    Just so you realize, it's a lot harder to fly a faster aircraft at low altitude. So given the same pilot and a non-mountainous terrain, flying a 172 at 100ft is actually safer than an F-16.
     
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    Did he hurt anyone? Did it effect you in any way?

    If not, mind your own ****ing business
     
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    I know you couldn't be bothered to read the thread, so just a quick summary. His girlfriend was at the college campus that that guy overflew. :mad2:
     
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    Exactly what we need is 100 hour wonders interpreting what is safe and what is unsafe for other pilots to do.

    I would confront the pilot about it - I once did something incredibly stupid when I was not thinking and had someone confront me about it. Maybe you can change his outlook on things if you bring it to him in and present it in a reasonable manner. Don't go straight to the FSDO.

    19 and 1300 hours total, CP-ASMEL, working in the Alaskan bush (we fly low a lot)
     
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    :rolleyes2:

    What is your logic here?

    Yeah, I was affected. You don't seem to understand that you have to have a proactive approach to stop accidents instead of making things pilots did to kill themselves illegal and putting them in the FAR's. And then, apparently, even then some pilots don't seem to have respect for the rules. Safety is everyone's responsibility. :dunno:

    And a couple thousand other college students. And residents, and homes, and you know. A congested area full of people.

    And the most immature, inappropriate, unacceptable post goes to...

    Apparently low time pilots have to think about safety because a lot of the self proclaimed professional ones in here sure don't seem to.

    I don't interpret what is safe and what is unsafe, the FAA makes the FAR's based on accident trends and the FSDO investigates the reports. Bush pilots have to fly low in the middle of nowhere, and forgive me if I'm wrong but I doubt you go about buzzing the center of town (congested areas) on regular bush pilot duty.

    Cool story with the guy talking to you personally, but as I've said before in the thread, what tells me that the guy is going to listen? Even you're talking down to me as a "100 hour wonder".
     
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    It is much easier to fly a slower plane at a low altitude because things happen much slower and you have much more time to react.
     
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    How do you know he won't? Give the guy a chance. Going to the FSDO is truly the nuclear option.

    Also, those of us "professionals" up in bush Alaska didn't get here because we reported other pilots and have huge boners for the rules. I don't know jack **** about flying airplanes, and I have learned more in the last 300 hours about what is safe and what is not than the rest of my flying career (which admittedly isn't very long) you can do things in an airplane that are legal but not safe, and you can do things in an airplane that are illegal but safe.

    Take him aside, tell him why it bothers you, and see what he has to say.
     
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