Records Restoration - lost logs. 172

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Magman

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The dreaded lost logs has struck.

We are reassembling records for the last 45 years and most folks can still be

contacted. We do want to have Primary on paper with digital back-up up.

Sections would be Aircraft, Engine, Prop, Avionics, AD’s, 337’s , W&B and

Equip List and misc.

A system that us “ tech declined “ can access easily is needed. Some

thoughts are using e- mail folders as “ bins” or the “ albums” feature with

photos on an iPad. Ease of use is Important as it would need updating only a

couple times per year.

ALL comments requested!

Then originals will turn up!
 
Magman said:
ALL comments requested!
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Not quite sure what you're asking for.
Do you have any of the Part 91.417 required records?
If you are starting from scratch, perhaps look at ADLog and build from there?
 
Annual the plane, comply with AD's, estimate time in service and go for it. Nobody cares what was repaired in 1981.
 
So far we got the FAA CD, some of the fairly recent w.o. and a recent

AD Status. Times can be verified and entries can be duplicated including

the engine overhaul as Techs are still around. For $153 Cessna will provide

the original W&B and Equipment List. The folks that did a recent paint job

and control balancing also gave a log entry.

When all is sorted and duplicate entries made we want to back up the

new paper records with new electronic records. What is the best

( read as easiest ) way to do this? I recently discovered that local

libraries have phased out CD players and printers. I’m sure there

are folks that have gone down this road.
 
Folder in your photos is the easiest.

App like Adobe scan is slightly more complex
 
martym said:
Annual the plane, comply with AD's, estimate time in service and go for it. Nobody cares what was repaired in 1981.
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What about ALL the oil and filter changes though? Light bulbs too?
Just kidding.
 
No greater fool than the one that buys a plane with lost log books that others told him it's no big deal. If your an IA long enough you have had people shopping around for a IA to reconstruct the logs and have no idea of what it takes to fix the problem. If your selling a plane with lost log books your looking for the greater fool to buy it, lots of luck on that.
 
brien23 said:
No greater fool than the one that buys a plane with lost log books that others told him it's no big deal. If your an IA long enough you have had people shopping around for a IA to reconstruct the logs and have no idea of what it takes to fix the problem. If your selling a plane with lost log books your looking for the greater fool to buy it, lots of luck on that.
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How long is "long enough?" I've held IA for >25 yrs and I don't know how much longer I'll be around.
If you have a Part 23 or Part 25 airplane built in the last 2 decades or a helicopter, especially a turbine helicopter, maintenance records are somewhat important. Because of that, they are easier to reconstruct. Otherwise, "lost logs" are more of a phobia.
 
martym said:
Annual the plane, comply with AD's, estimate time in service and go for it. Nobody cares what was repaired in 1981.
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How will anyone know they topped off the brake fluid and “complied with all ADs” in 1981?????
 
brien23 said:
No greater fool than the one that buys a plane with lost log books that others told him it's no big deal. If your an IA long enough you have had people shopping around for a IA to reconstruct the logs and have no idea of what it takes to fix the problem. If your selling a plane with lost log books your looking for the greater fool to buy it, lots of luck on that.
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Well no matter how dumb you may be, there is always someone dumber out there!
 
Magman said:
When all is sorted and duplicate entries made we want to back up the new paper records with new electronic records.
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Still don’t quite follow why you are spending the time and money to rebuild those paper records beyond the requirements of Part 91.417? Does this aircraft have some sort of private/public historical significance?

Having assisted in this task a number of times to include on turbine helicopters where the loss of past records does have an actual affect on value, I’ve found one is money ahead to recreate only the 91.417 required records and move forward. While some people believe the loss of records on a 172 will affect value, that is more subjective to each buyer than there being an objective standard to compare it to. And duplicates of said non-91.417 records I doubt would change someone's subjective mind on the subject.
 
The aircraft is a 75 with under 1100 hrs.and few mods.There are 6 people

involved with the Mx history. No concern with 3 drops of hydraulic fluid

but the new Crank and MOH should be in the records. No need to estimate

as we can get accurate times and want this reflected in the Records.



Bell; I understand what you are saying re paper. However; we are

gathering the data in varying formats.FAA records came in both paper and

CD. The CRS involved printed out 10 years of w.o. and generated new

Inspection Stickers and AD Status. It is often easier to request the entire

package rather than specific entries. Cessna will send the W&B and

Equipment List in paper also. So much of this is already on paper and we

have to scan or take pix to go digital. The goal would be that the

“ Master “ Records stay in one place and much of the maintenance such as

Annuals and Transponder be recorded on stickers and mailed to owner

after taking a pic for Records. He is out of town much of the year so

having digital copies that can be provided to all concerned when needed

is the point.


I did have a Sinclair computer ( pre-dates the Commodore) but some of

my “ cyber skills” are severely lacking and believe this is also the owners

situation. There is likely several hundred pages in the Records. Ideally

they could be packaged into the 8 different categories I mentioned earlier

and distributed when needed. Will the Albums feature on an iPad do that?

Can folks with droids also access?
 
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