Raptor Aircraft

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  1. Salty

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  2. Tarheelpilot

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    Doesn’t look like he’s going far.

    wait… are all the turns to the left?
     
  3. Omalley1537

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    He’s abandoned the flying goals. All that taxi testing made him re-assess and he’s now testing for NASCAR…
     
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    He can't go fast enough to be competitive.
     
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    He made right traffic to land. I'm thinking he had some squawks from his flight to AR or his prior flight around the field in AR, fixed them, and wanted to do a test flight. I also thought he could have been testing the flight characteristics with his suitcase and full fuel tanks for the trip to ID, but he only went up to 4800 MSL so the usefulness of that test would run out somewhere in western KS.
     
  6. Omalley1537

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    good point
     
  7. Datadriver

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    On his latest video the comments are "This flight was to test the take off roll and climb performance with the gross weight about 50lbs heavier than I'd had it previously."

    This seems the perfect thing to have done during his 40 hour phase 1 testing.
     
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    During his video Peter stated all deposit holders will have their money returned while maintaining their place in line at the introductory price. Wondering if he has other financial backers joining the project?

    I'm impressed as an armature how far he's come with a clean sheet design. My life resume will not include "Flew off a clean sheet / built it myself aircraft". It's a nice looking plane with a cavernous interior. We all know the issues and missed promises which have played out in public.
     
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    And the results are in...

    There are two sets of operating limitations. The first set was dated 8/27/2019. It has a Phase 1 section requiring 50 hours and 50 landings, after which the plane could be operated within 1/2 of its range from its home base in Arkansas (provided it stayed within the continental USA and allowing an exception to fly farther for maintenance). No persons other than those essential to the flight could be carried. That set expired a year later on 8/27/2020.

    The second set of operating limitations is dated 8/24/2020. They do not have a Phase 1 section. The testing locations are "25 NM radius of the Valdosta Regional Airport (KVLD) for the first 10 hours then a 50 NM radius of the Valdosta Regional Airport (KVLD) to allow expansion of the performance envelop. [sic]" The limitation on people not essential to the flight remains in place. The termination date line is not filled in.

    His program letter is dated 6/9/2019 and appears to have been filed twice, once originally and once when the operating limitations were expiring. The program letter describes an initial flight testing period with an estimated 50 flight hours over 50 flights and a period of 1 year. The initial flight testing would be within 25nm of KVLD and "subsequent proving of systems and flight performance may take place within 50nm of Holley Mountain Airpark."

    The flight test plan was described as "following the recommendations of AC90-89B in conjunction with using the EAA produced Flight Test Manual and Test cards that we have purchased from their online store." An outline of the proposed first 40 flight hours was included. The outline is 22 items and 3 pages long. Among other tests proposed there is a pitot-static calibration, minimum flying speed at 8000 AGL, Vx and Vy, Vbg, takeoff and landing performance at various weights, approach to accelerated stall of fore plane at 8000 AGL, various stability tests, and testing on portable oxygen from 8,000 upward at 2,000 foot intervals, up to FL250.
     
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  10. OneCharlieTango

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    Unless I missed it, he's done exactly nothing from that plan.
     
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    In fairness, I didn't list everything and there are things on the list that got done.
     
  12. 231TC

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    And with a long runway...like the one he left behind at VLD.
     
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    He did increase his previous MGTW another 50 lbs. That's real progress.

    :rofl:
     
  14. 231TC

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    So he did in fact violate his operating limitations by leaving the 50-mile VLD radius. I don't believe the program letter's mention of testing at Holley Mountain has any effect on the operating limitations, but even if it did, that language doesn't cover the flight between VLD and Holley Mountain.

    Now the question is whether he's still violating the limitations or he got them changed in the last couple weeks. Want to spend another $10 to find out?
     
  15. donjohnston

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    There was mention over on HBA that someone dropped the dime on him to the FAA about violating the OpLims.
     
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    You sure about that? I don't remember the part about "at the introductory price" but I can't force myself to watch it again to find out. Seems highly likely the price is going up.
     
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    Raptor hasnt technically been introduced yet so the introductory price is still up in the air.
     
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    Where do I send my portion of 10 bucks for that?
     
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    Peter said this is his last video for a while until the new company starts production. Also deposits will be returned by the new company while "maintaining their discounted aircraft pricing and position in line".

    Specifics are at 24:18 mark:


    Is it just me or does he take a long time to rotate? 40:37 mark
     
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  20. Tantalum

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    Peter is his own worst enemy unfortunately..
     
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    Canard's don't really "rotate". They basically fly off the runway. On my Velocity, at a long runway, I won't apply any backpressure on the stick. And even on short runways, I'll just give a quick tug and then it's off.

    As for how long it takes to get off the runway, he's got no idea what speed the canard stalls at, the runway is at 1,200' MSL and it's hot. I'm impressed it gets off the ground at all given how much it weighs.
     
  22. Tantalum

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    What about the Piaggio.. that sort of have both. Or this ridiculous French thing

     
  23. 231TC

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    Thanks. I missed or forgot that part. He's talking about the bigger deposits there, the $20k ones. Near the end he mentions everyone with the smaller deposits, no mention there of the price for them, though.
     
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    It went to Valdosta on a trailer.
     
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    And it went back again in the air.
     
  26. Tarheelpilot

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    The piaggio is not a canard.
     
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    Sure did, but we're talking about when it left Valdosta. That was two flights to 2A2, about 500 miles beyond the radius he was supposed to stay in.
     
  28. Tantalum

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    No, but that thing in front produces lift, right? Wasn't sure if it had a more traditional lift off and flare or if it's more canard-esque in that regard
     
  29. Tarheelpilot

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    It is a wing. Not a flight control. The elevator is in the back like “normal” airplanes. It’s one of the reasons that thing is so fast. Everything on it produces lift. The tail does not produce down force like most airplanes. So the total lift needed is less than a similar weight tradition aircraft which means less drag and more speed.

    It’s a hella cool airplane. Would like to fly one at some point.

    I’m regards to your question about how it rotates … I don’t know. Have not flown it yet. ;-)
     
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    Ouch.

    Is it possible he got a ferry/special flight permit for this one-off?

    Doesn't explain today's flight of course. Maybe he just stopped caring about regs. If so, the entertainment shall continue :D
     
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    Correct, it's a catfish!
     
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    I'm right there with you. There's a guy who flies one who made a great video about it. When it comes to fuel burn and speed it puts a fair amount of "attainable" personal jets to shame

    It has an aggressive cockpit.. very airliner-esq with a legit FMS. Hard to believe this is a single pilot plane

     
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    400 KTAS cruise... "I like to pull it back to 385 knots" wow.. grab your stuff and go home King Air.
     
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    Why ridiculous? Tastes differ of course, but I think it looks really cool. Supposed to be very well built and performance is OK too. Put a small jet in it and it's even better :)
     
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    I meant ridiculous in a positive way. It's very cool! Wish there was more info out there about it
     
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    Are there 3-views of the 'Raptor' anywhere? This could make a cool-looking r/c model. Might even fly better that way (maybe)!
     
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    Who cares?

    Why?

    I understood the commentary on the aircraft and the videos, but some of y'all are really holding way too much room in your head for this guy.
     
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    They might be out there somewhere, but they are oddly not in the FAA's airworthiness file. For my RV-14, page 1 of the FAA airworthiness file (I bought mine on CD while I was at it) is the three-view I had to submit to get an airworthiness certificate. It is strange to me that the builder of a popular kit plane would have to submit three-views to get an airworthiness certificate but the designer-builder of a clean-sheet R&D plane did not.
     
  39. Tantalum

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    he had a video way way way back when of an RC model flying
     
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    Cuz there's too many cowboy's in the sky already, flying certified planes with parts that don't fall off multiple times in flight. He has no clue what his actual altitude is due to wonky static, something he was supposed to figure out in his ops. Also, if adsb is right he's flying west at 3500'. His attitude of "it's an experimental aircraft and I can do what I want" has the potential to get someone else in the sky hurt.