Public display of the consumption of alcohol

Discussion in 'Lessons Learned' started by Anonymous Pilot, Jul 3, 2017.

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do I have to report public display of the consumption of alcohol to the FAA?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Hi All,

    So I was just given a "citation A" ticket for having a beer on the river during the 4th of July weekend at a Texas state park. I am originally from California and there you are allowed to consume alcohol at a state park. Apparently in Texas you need to be in your tent, or RV. Anyways, I was obviously not in, a motorized vechile and was just minding my own business until the officer wrote me up. I don't have to go to court at all, I just have to pay a fine and be done with it . Under 14 CFR 61.15 do I have to report this to the FAA ? Any response would be greatly appreciated, thanks!
     
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    The offense, as you described, does not seem to qualify as a reportable offense under §61.15(c).
     
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    I agree on the 61.15 report, but you will have to mention it in 18w on any FAA medicals that you get from now on.
     
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    Just FYI, not all State Parks in CA allow alcohol. It is prohibited similarly at Folsom Lake State Park. You should check the rules, just to be careful.
     
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    I'm surprised; I thought Texas was supposed to be some kind of bastion of freedom.
     
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    Coozies for cans and 12 oz bottles; brown paper bags for bigger bottles. They aren't just for winos downtown . . .
     
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    What are you basing that statement on? This isn't a conviction of a misdemeanor or a felony.
     
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    Don't say ----t. There's nothing here to report. Wanna make mountains out of molehills? Go right ahead and exercise some gratuitous "preemptive self-deprecation" to the government, see where it takes your flying, or life in general. You don't reason with a kid with a hammer. To him, everything is a nail.

    What are the three pillars of keeping a medical? "Yes, I can hear you fine -- No, I don't see any curved lines in that chart -- Don't trust da police no justice no peace". Oops, disregard last one, it's "no, I have nothing to report". I get my axioms mixed up sometimes :D
     
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    I initially said yes but re-read it and you say you were not in a motorized vehicle so it would seem that if you pay your fine you'll be fine.

    Out of curiosity (which isn't good for cats) if he fails to pay the fine and it goes to warrant would he have to report an alcohol related arrest/conviction?
     
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    It seems to me, if he pays the fine, he is pleading guilty and this would count as an alcohol related arrest/conviction. If it is not a misdemeanor or a felony, what is it? In this case it is a misdemeanor:
    https://texreg.sos.state.tx.us/publ...=&p_ploc=&pg=1&p_tac=&ti=31&pt=2&ch=59&rl=136
    Penalties for violations of §§59.132-59.134 of this title (relating to General Rules, Closing Hours and Overnight Use, and Rules of Conduct) are Class C Misdemeanors, Parks and Wildlife Code, Chapter 13.112.
     
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    I thought traffic tickets, jay walking , and similar items were Infractions unless they rose to the level of Misdemeanor or Felony.

    But your quoted designation as misdemeanor makes it a more interesting question.

    I know a couple of Texas lawyers are on here. Will be interesting to read their opinions.
     
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    Okay, I assumed it would be a petty offense. I was wrong. Maybe best to talk to the JP about it. At least it is a routine expungement.
     
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    Used to be. Too many Yankees and Californians there now.

    Now you can be arrested for RHWI...Ridin' a Horse While Intoxicated....

    I remember a time when driving drunk in Texas was almost a right. Most times the officer would tell you to go straight home and not be seen again tonight. Yessir, I'll go there now.
     
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    Yup, used to be a Texan's God-given right to have a beer while driving home from work.

    Heads would roll these days for even thinking that now.


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    I remember when that law came out. A Sheriff out in west Texas was being interviewed and said "The law will never last, hell Midland is a 6-pack". I do miss being able to have a beer on my drive home after flying a trip.
     
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    I remember when distances in Texas were measured in six-packs. Pearl Beer six-packs.
     
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  17. Thank you all for your responses. I am going to talk with an aviation lawyer to get clarification on this matter. I will let you know what He/she has to say.
     
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    Sounds like you encountered angry puritans, ignore them and carry on.
     
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    Haven't spent much time in Texas, have you? Any further discussion or comment from me about Texas politics, freedoms, etc will get me banned. Family from there, I spent 11 years there, happy to have left. Next time I go back, will be to be buried in the family plot.
     
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    Unless it was a local ordinance, it most certainly was a misdemeanor. All of the Texas state alcohol violations are at least class C misdemeanors.
     
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    See my earlier reply to another post.
     
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    You're right, I haven't. I was just going by the number of complaints that Texans have posted about California. :D
     
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    So? You're still wrong. There's no such thing as a "petty offense" in Texas. All violations of state law are misdemeanors or felonies.
     
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    Do you feel better now? As for your claim that all violations of state law are misdemeanors or felonies, well that just isn't true. Sorry.
     
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    It is in Texas. There's no other category. Even a traffic ticket is a class C mis.

    It's not a matter of feeling better. I provided proper information to the original poster. You contradicted me both with information that was wrong and if followed would have the poster commit a crime by lying on his medical.
     
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    Having lived and worked in Texas I am quite comfortable saying that your assertation is absurd. There are many possible violations of Texas state law that are not classified as misdemeanor or felony. They are usually civil or administrative in nature but not always.
     
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    it is a pretty bizarre opinion that Texans believe enough Californians have moved Texas to, entirely on their own, pass stricter drinking and driving laws. I am sure Californians had that as a secret master plan. Move to Texas in order keep Texans from drinking and driving. It is more likely that enough Texans realized themselves that drinking and driving is dangerous and they should do something about it. Worry not, though, Texas still leads the nation in drunk driving related deaths...
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    I believe there are two threads by the OP here... one of which Dr Brruce said not reportable.

    Just sayin'....
     
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    Go to court, speak to the prosecutor, see if they will dismiss with you paying court costs.
     
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    Just keep telling yourself that. :rofl:
     
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    Has anyone determined if the FAA cares that you committed this offense even if you do report it?
     
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    Dr Bruce implied no in the other exact thread by the OP, and said it is NOT reportable.
     
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