Peak absurdity of CA gov

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AV8R_87 said:
Before this thread, how many of you knew brass can have lead in it?

I didn't.
I might be a bit more cautious about letting a developing teenager use a brass handle screwdriver regularly, if not wearing gloves.

Same reason I tell the FBO kids that refuel planes all day long to wear gloves. They get a lot more exposure to TEL than the typical weekend warrior, and their brains are still actively developing.
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It’s not a big deal as long as you don’t suck on the screwdriver. The only time it really matters is in faucets. The brass in contact with water can cause the water to have detectable levels of lead. Nothing a 2 second flush won’t fix.
 
455 Bravo Uniform said:
It’s not a big deal as long as you don’t suck on the screwdriver. The only time it really matters is in faucets. The brass in contact with water can cause the water to have detectable levels of lead. Nothing a 2 second flush won’t fix.
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Lead in brass fittings for potable water usage can leach lead into the water supply for a long time. Depending on the ph of the water. Look on Amazon for brass nipples. Some will be listed as lead free with a typically higher price.
 
Mikey52 said:
Lead in brass fittings for potable water usage can leach lead into the water supply for a long time. Depending on the ph of the water. Look on Amazon for brass nipples. Some will be listed as lead free with a typically higher price.
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My household shares an Amazon account. I don’t think having “brass nipples” in my search history is a good idea. I’ll just deal with the lead. It’s safer.
 
Ed Haywood said:
That level of hostility is uncalled for. This a friendly board. We drink together at Oshkosh.
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I am not trying to be hostile. Everyone here comes with a different level of knowledge in different areas. But, when some say "well all you people should be aware" or some **** like that . . .. That is calling the board stupid.

I fly airplanes that have a barely positive single engine climb rate over big expanses of frigid water. I'm not stupid. I understand the risk and I make sure that I mitigate it. I do my due diligence before I make significant decisions. I . . . and I imagine that most of the board members here . . . do not need a nanny.
 
SFDukie said:
CA gov does many absurd things- but this *isn’t* one of them.
The voters- in 1986- passed the promotion requiring carcinogens be labeled-by a 2 to 1 margin.
I imagine most electorates would pass similar laws if they were on the ballot.
Answer- for many manufacturers, doubtless based on legal advice?
Label everything as potentially carcinogenic.
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Clearly well intentioned. But to be effective, good public policy has to address unintended outcomes.
 
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Llewtrah381 said:
Prop 65 has been around for 39 years. Longer than some of the posters on here, I bet. There’s no down side to putting the sticker on. There IS a potential down side - from the lawyers, I’m thinking, of not having it.
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The downside is that everyone ignores it. There is no differentiation between something truly harmful and something laughably harmless. Plus some items cannot be shipped to a California address. And how much does has that sticker on everything cost in 39 years?
 
Everskyward said:
The downside is that everyone ignores it. There is no differentiation between something truly harmful and something laughably harmless. Plus some items cannot be shipped to a California address. And how much does has that sticker on everything cost in 39 years?
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I don't at all disagree. But if you search for how it's enforced, you start to see why it's put on pretty much everything: private attorneys can sue for the warning not being on something like, say, a brass screwdriver with lead in it. I don't think it's a case of California wanting to go after the screwdriver manufacturer: it seems to be a case where the law, as written, creates a big financial incentive for "vigilante attorneys".

These days it does seem to provide good fodder for those wanting to bash CA, though. My guess is dog whistles have the warning on them too...
 
Llewtrah381 said:
I don't think it's a case of California wanting to go after the screwdriver manufacturer: it seems to be a case where the law, as written, creates a big financial incentive for "vigilante attorneys".
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Why do you think they wrote it that way?
 
AV8R_87 said:
Before this thread, how many of you knew brass can have lead in it?

I didn't.
I might be a bit more cautious about letting a developing teenager use a brass handle screwdriver regularly, if not wearing gloves.

Same reason I tell the FBO kids that refuel planes all day long to wear gloves. They get a lot more exposure to TEL than the typical weekend warrior, and their brains are still actively developing.
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I'm squinting hard at this and trying to find out which part is @AV8R_87 saying "you !@#$ idiots didn't know this! Guffaw!". Sort of the opposite, actually.

I'd say someone needs to go touch some grass but I imagine that's triggering too. :P
 
Llewtrah381 said:
next thing you know they’ll be trying to legislate away Chemtrails. Oh wait…

www.theguardian.com

Eight US states seek to outlaw chemtrails – even though they aren’t real

States introduce chemtrail-coded legislation as conspiracy theories take root in some US chambers
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
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City folk: looks up and decides the water vapor trail from a jet 30,000 feet up is a risk to them requiring laws against it.

Farmer: the crop duster finally showed up to spray glyphosate and lorsban on his field next to his house so he gets out a lawn chair and a beer to watch and make sure he isn’t shorting him on the head lands…
 
Flatiowa said:
City folk: looks up and decides the water vapor trail from a jet 30,000 feet up is a risk to them requiring laws against it.

Farmer: the crop duster finally showed up to spray glyphosate and lorsban on his field next to his house so he gets out a lawn chair and a beer to watch and make sure he isn’t shorting him on the head lands…
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fake! no farmer has that much time on his hands during daylight hours.
 
Bob Noel said:
fake! no farmer has that much time on his hands during daylight hours.
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That’s why there is 4x4 on all their trucks. To remind them to work 4 weeks in spring, 4 weeks in fall, and take 44 weeks off. (I’m kidding obviously).
 
Flatiowa said:
City folk: looks up and decides the water vapor trail from a jet 30,000 feet up is a risk to them requiring laws against it.

Farmer: the crop duster finally showed up to spray glyphosate and lorsban on his field next to his house so he gets out a lawn chair and a beer to watch and make sure he isn’t shorting him on the head lands…
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Dad talks about his neighbor in 2001--02. Who was morbidly obese, on oxygen, smoked multiple packs and drank a liter of vodka a day, and asked him to retrieve the mail because he was afraid that he'd die from an envelope full of ricin.
 
Flatiowa said:
That’s why there is 4x4 on all their trucks. To remind them to work 4 weeks in spring, 4 weeks in fall, and take 44 weeks off. (I’m kidding obviously).
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I'll have to remember to try that on my BIL
 
Mikey52 said:
Lead in brass fittings for potable water usage can leach lead into the water supply for a long time. Depending on the ph of the water.
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Yeah, but once flushed, it’s not contaminating the water flowing by. There’s just not enough contact time. First few seconds of flush at an old brass fixture is all it takes to clear it out of lead from that brass unit each time.

However, there’s other stuff in the pipes upstream that will need longer flushing to rid. A couple of my current research advisors have and continue to publish in this area of study:

 
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Mikey52 said:
Look on Amazon for brass nipples. Some will be listed as lead free with a typically higher price.
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Also, lead free advertising is not necessarily true, based on research results. Can’t find the citations at the moment.
 
billsgs126 said:
And . . . who . . . really . . . "writes" . . . legislation?
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The California people? Every single terrible bit of legislation is a constitutional proposition/permanent statutory initiative, so it needs another proposition to undo it.

(Prop 13, Prop 65, Prop 103, 2008 Prop 8, 2020 Prop 15 being rejected). I guarantee you that voters cannot understand the dialysis industry well enough, to vote on permanent changes for them every 2 years.This is why its a good idea to have representatives.

Voters if they don’t understand something, consistently default to voting no. This means if a bad bill/constitutional amendment has been passed, your never undoing it. This is why we cant modify proposition 65 to be less strict, and why all food items and objects tend to be marked as, “known to the state of California to cause cancer.”


The only actually terrible people of legislation California has, that voters did not vote on, are the coastal commission, and CEQA. Unfortunately those are abused(why does it take 20 years of environmental lawsuits to build a train, no wonder its costs overrun.) Slowly they are being reformed thankfully.


California’s issues are at a local level, or caused by voters themselves. The California assembly, as well as legislature tend to be okay.
 
ateamer said:
I voted No on Prop 65. My prediction about it sure turned out to be on the mark. I voted no because it was obvious that it would lead to everything being labeled as hazardous. My comment back then - as a 19 year old - was “what, are they gonna put signs up everywhere outdoors warning that the sun causes cancer?”
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Walking down a jet bridge in CA a few years ago. This sign next to the door at the end of the bridge. Yes, they have in fact labeled outdoors as cancer causing.

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And yes, I do understand that they're talking about the chemicals on the ramp, but as mentioned earlier in the thread - if EVERYTHING requires extra attention, then in reality NOTHING actually gets extra attention.
 
What?! Making everything your top priority doesn’t help?

<gasp!>
 
455 Bravo Uniform said:
Also, lead free advertising is not necessarily true, based on research results. Can’t find the citations at the moment.
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Lead Free can still have traces of lead. I sell a metric **** ton of lead free alloys, and all the boxes have the lead warning on them.
It contains less than 0.07% by weight but still has some, so slap the warning on there because, California.
 
455 Bravo Uniform said:
It’s not a big deal as long as you don’t suck on the screwdriver. The only time it really matters is in faucets. The brass in contact with water can cause the water to have detectable levels of lead. Nothing a 2 second flush won’t fix.
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Ironically, the Lead and Copper Rule is federal, and when it was adopted by the federal government, California refused to adopt it in its own drinking water standards. As a result, for a couple of years before the state did adopt it, the state lost its primacy, and it was enforced directly by the EPA.
 
EdFred said:
Lead Free can still have traces of lead. I sell a metric **** ton of lead free alloys, and all the boxes have the lead warning on them.
It contains less than 0.07% by weight but still has some, so slap the warning on there because, California.
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100 LOW LEAD . . . 2 mL TEL/gal (560 ppm)
80/87 AVGAS . . . 0.5 mL TEL/gal
 
Gotta love this thread. The reaction to stickers being everywhere is "get rid of the stickers" instead of "WTF are we still putting people in contact with harmful substances so constantly"
 
172andyou said:
Gotta love this thread. The reaction to stickers being everywhere is "get rid of the stickers" instead of "WTF are we still putting people in contact with harmful substances so constantly"
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Who is we?
If warning stickers say everything is dangerous, what is a logical way to deal with that problem?
 
The point is, the stickers are put on dumb crap. No kidding you're not supposed to breathe sawdust. No kidding you're not supposed to suck on a screwdriver. No kidding you're not supposed to eat a mattress.

Life is full of things that are "harmful" when used the wrong way, but perfectly fine when used appropriately and with common sense. I'm about to go turn on my stovetop. It's flat, and has a back. Should it be required to have a sticker "May cause burns if sat on" because someone might think it is a chair? That is the level of absurdity to which California's stickers have risen.
 
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