Parachute jumping...crazy?

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One of my ME students flys a jump plane and has arranged a deal on one-on-one training and a static line jump. I went through the training 40 years ago, but then left for Air Force basic training before the grass strip dried up enough to allow jump ops to start. I never went through with a jump. I don't think the equipment was as sophisticated then as it is today.

Am I nuts for considering it now in my mid 50s? Any "mature" jumpers care to comment?
 
I'm mature, and I have jumped, but my last one was 25 years ago. No way would I do it again at my age. Just no effing way. I have a total of 7 static and 15 free fall jumps. That's plenty.
 
I'm mature, and I have jumped, but my last one was 25 years ago. No way would I do it again at my age. Just no effing way. I have a total of 7 static and 15 free fall jumps. That's plenty.

Risk of death? Or just injury?
 
I went through the ground school at Otay Lakes a few months ago, I passed all of their tests, but due to my age, of course that was not the excuse they used, they said my first jump would have to be a tandem jump.

I have fifty military jumps and whole bunch of other stuff under my belt, I told them I did not pay to go through their ground school in order to tandem jump, so I left. During the class they had me demonstrate military PLFs, which is no longer as easy as it was forty years ago, but I did well.

I'm 70. It is never too late to chalk up experiences. I'll probably do it at another school in the next year or so, or take up ballroom dancing... or something.

Go for it!


-John
 
I enjoy watching the jumpers come down and sharing the pattern with the jump plane. That's plenty enough for me...
 
I know jumpers in their 70's and 80's. Many more skilled than me. Do it. No problem being in your 50's if you're healthy.

It's much safer than it used to be. It's like flying, there's a a baseline risk that applies to the activity as a whole, but a large majority of the risk is added on top of that with poor decisions or pushing the limits. If you learn how your gear works, know your malfunctions and how to fix them, don't get complacent, and maintain conservative personal limits, you'll be fine.
 
It's not that it can't be done, it's just that I have no desire to do it again. None at all. I liked the static line jumps, and a couple of the free falls, but the blush was off the rose after about 10 jumps.

Funny thing, I spend all my winter days I can skiing, and I ski hard. So, there's still a desire for the rush, but I've just had it with parachuting. Not interested.

Obviously, YMMV.
 
I went through the ground school at Otay Lakes a few months ago, I passed all of their tests, but due to my age, of course that was not the excuse they used, they said my first jump would have to be a tandem jump.

I have fifty military jumps and whole bunch of other stuff under my belt, I told them I did not pay to go through their ground school in order to tandem jump, so I left. During the class they had me demonstrate military PLFs, which is no longer as easy as it was forty years ago, but I did well.

I'm 70. It is never too late to chalk up experiences. I'll probably do it at another school in the next year or so, or take up ballroom dancing... or something.

Go for it!


-John

That's BS!!

Unfortunately, you happened to get a drop zone that only wants to promote tandem jumping. Call around and find a DZ that will offer AFF (Accelerated Free Fall)
 
WOW, something I actually can talk about from first hand experience. I am a few years younger than you, and like many took jump training in the AIr Force in the 1980's as part of my scholarship training. Never jumped and to tell you the truth never had any desire. My son has jumped a few times and loved it, and dared me many a time to do it, but never had an interest. He called me chicken and through my inner Marty McFly I could not let that be, and for his last birthday(last November) I gave him a skydive for a gift. I went as well, and it was a blast. It is definitely one of the most amazing things I have ever done. Go do it, it is well worth it. If you want I will find my video PM it to you or post it. Go ahead havce fun, you will not regret it. Just remember once you leave the plane you cannot turn back.
 
Did it once and came away unimpressed. Even had an in-air emergency. Sorry, you don't get a better view than from the airplane, it's noisy as all get out, you don't get the rush of seeing scenery stream past you. Not for Steingar. Heck, I can handily beat terminal velocity on my race bike, and it looks fast. Not that I would ever contemplate doing such a thing, mind you.:wink2:
 
Did it once and came away unimpressed. Even had an in-air emergency. Sorry, you don't get a better view than from the airplane, it's noisy as all get out, you don't get the rush of seeing scenery stream past you. Not for Steingar. Heck, I can handily beat terminal velocity on my race bike, and it looks fast. Not that I would ever contemplate doing such a thing, mind you.:wink2:

I'm guessing a 120 mph would get noisy! Since I wear glasses, I think I'd look into one of those helmets with face shield I've seen some jumpers use. I suspect it's quite a bit quieter once under canopy, no?

I'm tempted...
 
I'm guessing a 120 mph would get noisy! Since I wear glasses, I think I'd look into one of those helmets with face shield I've seen some jumpers use. I suspect it's quite a bit quieter once under canopy, no?

I'm tempted...
The free fall is pretty cool. You feel as though your skin is being pulled in multiple directions. I jumped in FLorida in November. Surface temperatures were in the 80's at 15000 ft quite a bit cooler(so dress warmly, but not too warmly). The time under the canopy is quite calming, and is a great follow up to the rush of the free fall. You are jumping tandem so really except for a few things you are really just there for the ride. As for glasses, when I jumped they gave me some el cheapo safety glasses to wear.

It is one of the those things I never really had a desire to do, and cannot be happier that I did do it.
 
I did the AFF 7 jumps in San Diego years ago. I think everyone should do it at least once in their life. It's really an amazing experience.

I almost chickened out though. I knew I'd be nervous going up but when I stood in that door at 13,500 ft, you look down and that cold air hits ya, you start to say "why am I doing this again?" After you jump you're initially disoriented and gets a little quiet. Then you're on your belly, the speed picks up and it's like a runaway freight train...nothing like the "floating" appearance you see in videos. It was loud, I was stiff and unstable. When they gave me the signal to pull, I was more than ready. I pulled the cord and chucked it instead of putting it in my suit like they told me. That'll be an extra $10 for a new cord. I was just glad to be alive. :) I had a headset on and the guy was talking me down but I was soo light that my forward motion didn't get me to the heart of the DZ. I hear "dude, you're going behind a hill and I can't see you, gonna have to flare on your own. Good luck." I flared didn't hit hard but didn't do a stand up landing either. I was soo amped with adrenalin but at the same time I was thinking I'm never doing that again. Took me a month before I had the courage to go back. Can't get my money back so I might as well complete the 6 jumps. I had some violent porpoising issues for 2 more jumps but then got the hang of it and was having a blast. After 5 jumps I was exiting on my own, doing turns and even backflips!

Like I said, it's something I believe everyone should experience in life. Hard to describe the feeling. You gotta go all the way though. No tandem and no static. AFF is the only way to go.
 
I have just under 200 jumps way in the past. It was indeed a rush. In fact I met my wife in 56 when I made a jump and needed someone to pick me up. My friend Jack brought Winona along.:D

That said, I made my last jump in 1970. I wanted to get in a few quick ones to push my total over 200. As a result my right ankle is fused in 3 places.:yikes:

However there is nothing like the rush of relative work and the sensation of speed.
 

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I have just under 200 jumps way in the past. It was indeed a rush. In fact I met my wife in 56 when I made a jump and needed someone to pick me up. My friend Jack brought Winona along.:D

That said, I made my last jump in 1970. I wanted to get in a few quick ones to push my total over 200. As a result my right ankle is fused in 3 places.:yikes:

However there is nothing like the rush of relative work and the sensation of speed.

Very cool....not sure if I will tell my wife! She may freak.
 
I appreciate all the input....enjoy hearing the experiences of others.
 
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Go for it I guess. I've never done a free fall jump but I've done boo coo static line jumps. I'd sure hate to go through jump school again at that age though.

I don't think I could bring myself to do a tandem jump. Sorta like having two dudes riding on one motorcycle. Sounds a little... how do I phrase it... alternative.
 
I recall our old Sgt Major in Army ROTC saying, "Two things fall from the sky. Birds&*t and fools!" I don't think he was a fan of airborne. :D
 
Lots of fun - highly recommend it. Keep your med insurance card handy. I've got an ankle that no longer meets factory spec that says I've made my last jump.
 
One of my ME students flys a jump plane and has arranged a deal on one-on-one training and a static line jump. I went through the training 40 years ago, but then left for Air Force basic training before the grass strip dried up enough to allow jump ops to start. I never went through with a jump. I don't think the equipment was as sophisticated then as it is today.

Am I nuts for considering it now in my mid 50s? Any "mature" jumpers care to comment?

No, you're closer to your natural death now than ever, so a fatality now will cause less loss than before. Injury will have a longer pain and heal time to it, but any permanent disability again falls into the same category as death. The older you get, the more taking risks makes sense especially for thing you want to do because in the end, the only possible things you can take with you are your thoughts and memories. Everybody dies, be a shame to die saying "I wish I would have...".
 
I went through the ground school at Otay Lakes a few months ago, I passed all of their tests, but due to my age, of course that was not the excuse they used, they said my first jump would have to be a tandem jump.

I have fifty military jumps and whole bunch of other stuff under my belt, I told them I did not pay to go through their ground school in order to tandem jump, so I left. During the class they had me demonstrate military PLFs, which is no longer as easy as it was forty years ago, but I did well.

Many drop zones require a tandem before your start AFF or AFP training, this is due to them not knowing how you're going to react, though your instructor can normally stay with your during free fall it's just alot easier and safer for then to take you on your first jump where they have positive control, they can really walk you through flying the canopy too.

Having military jumps (minus a TacAir trained SF guy) doesn't mean much at a DZ, in the military you're jumping a round via static line, its more akin to paradropping a box then a skydive compared to freefall and piloting a ram air canopy.

Quite frankly skydiving, with the advent of the three ring, AED/ADD and modern materials and training, it's probably more safe then flying as a student pilot.


If you're in good shape (can lift your legs while suspended and do a pull up or two) it's no biggie to skydive.
 
The older you get, the more taking risks makes sense especially for thing you want to do because in the end, the only possible things you can take with you are your thoughts and memories. Everybody dies, be a shame to die saying "I wish I would have...".

Every time I start thinking Henning has his head firmly up and locked with no hydraulics, he says something I agree with.
 
My 8 jumps were all done ~35 years ago. I only intended to do one, but the first jump resulted in a "mae west" and I had to cut away and descend on the reserve chute. That was a bit unnerving, so I decided to keep jumping until I wasn't afraid. :lol:

I wouldn't hesitate to do it if were still on my bucket list. It is a LOT safer now than it was decades ago. When I jumped, there were no tandem jumps, so your very first jump was all on your own. It was static line, but as in my case, static doesn't mean there can be no problems.

One thing that surprised me (but probably shouldn't have): when you exit the aircraft, you are FALLING. It is nothing like how it appears on TV or in the movies. It is exactly like stepping off the high dive - only with thousands of feet of nothing between you and the end of the ride. Doing a tandem jump, you'll quickly get through the "falling" portion and before you know it the air will feel like it's supporting you a bit. But that first portion of the jump... yup. you're just dropping through the air. :yikes:
 
I have 160 jumps about 20 years ago.

Rather than a static line jump, I would consider chipping in some extra cash and do a AFF level 1 or 2 freefall. That is where you are held by two experienced instructors when you exit from the plane, both will fal with you until you pull the cord at a safe deployment altitude. From 13000ft you have about 55 seconds of freefall, if the instructors holding you feel that you are falling stable, one or both of them may un-dock and you are in freefall alone. With a properly sized student chute and as you understand the concept of flaring and landing into the wind, you willl have no difficulty getting down unhurt. Student rigs have automatic opening devices that will deploy the reserve if you are in freefall at 1000ft.

Health insurance may or may not cover injuries suffered while skydiving. Most of the typical lowe extremity injuries are the result of dumbass show-off behaviour by experienced skydivers. It is not that common that students get hurt. Hopefully you have a day with a light steady wind and a obstacle free landing area.
 
Never had any desire to try it. Adrenaline comes in many forms, and if it rocks your boat then go for it. Everybody has to die of something. :yesnod:
 
My 8 jumps were all done ~35 years ago. I only intended to do one, but the first jump resulted in a "mae west" and I had to cut away and descend on the reserve chute. That was a bit unnerving, so I decided to keep jumping until I wasn't afraid. :lol:

I wouldn't hesitate to do it if were still on my bucket list. It is a LOT safer now than it was decades ago. When I jumped, there were no tandem jumps, so your very first jump was all on your own. It was static line, but as in my case, static doesn't mean there can be no problems.

One thing that surprised me (but probably shouldn't have): when you exit the aircraft, you are FALLING. It is nothing like how it appears on TV or in the movies. It is exactly like stepping off the high dive - only with thousands of feet of nothing between you and the end of the ride. Doing a tandem jump, you'll quickly get through the "falling" portion and before you know it the air will feel like it's supporting you a bit. But that first portion of the jump... yup. you're just dropping through the air. :yikes:

I did seven jumps when I was in college, some 35 years ago. Back then, you had to do five successful static line jumps, then you could do a short free fall, or as we called it, a "hop and pop". My last jump was one of these, and even on that short free fall, I could feel the acceleration. It was quite impressive. Shortly after that, I decided to go back to power plane flying. I didn't really like freefall all that much, and the harness ride down was just painful with a nice view. Plus it was a lot of waiting around for not much airtime. The dropzone where I was going (Bardstown, KY) had two Cessna 180's and a DeHavilland Beaver for aircraft, and as a beginning jumper, the thing you feared most was when a "Beaver load" was being put together, as it shut the entire drop zone down for more than an hour.

The Beaver lived at the far end of the runway. You'd see the pilot walk out, and spend about 30 minutes preflighting the beast. Then you'd hear the inertial starter rev up. Inevitably, when the pilot engaged the starter, the propeller would turn about three blades and stop. The pilot would get out, and you'd see him walking back to the hangar. He'd go in and get this cart that was about 3 feet square and was covered with RV batteries. Then he'd walk out all the way to the Beaver, plug it in, get it started and warmed up, and then he had to bring the battery cart back in. Then, he could taxi it in to the loading area and fill it up with meat bombs. Since the Beaver load was kind of a big deal, they'd get every experienced jumper in the DZ together, and fill both Cessnas and the Beaver. Included in one of these loads were the jumpmasters that we inexperienced jumpers needed, so we knew we weren't going to jump for a long while.

When they finally got this assemblage airborne, they started up. I don't know what the rate of climb is for a Beaver loaded with skydivers is, but it wasn't much. IIRC, it was at least a 45 minute climb. They'd disappear from sight, all you could do was to hear the radial engine. Then you'd see a few dots in the sky, and then those dots turned to parachute canopies. After another 20 minutes or so, they'd be packed up and things returned to normal for a while, at least until another Beaver load materialized. Inexperienced jumpers were lucky to jump twice in one day, and there were a number of days I got one, after being there sunup to sundown.

Anyway, if anyone of us in the over 50 crowd was thinking of doing a static line jump, I'd recommend trying some parachute landing falls and seeing how your lower body tolerated that. You might want to start at chair height, and eventually move up to four feet or so. If that doesn't bother you, your jump should go fine. I rather like weilke's suggestion that you go for an AFF. Yeah, it's going to be around $300, but you'll get the full experience and when you're done, you'll know whether or not you'd want to continue.
 
I'm curious, did you make the jump? If so, how did you like your experience being a "meat bomb"?

Not yet...winds were too high last weekend for static lines. Now it's getting cold and I'm thinking this is a warm weather endeavor! We will see...

I'm sure the jump plane pilot will keep after me since we are resuming his multi training next week.
 
I did seven jumps when I was in college, some 35 years ago. Back then, you had to do five successful static line jumps, then you could do a short free fall, or as we called it, a "hop and pop". My last jump was one of these, and even on that short free fall, I could feel the acceleration. It was quite impressive.
Yup - that's pretty much exactly what I remember. On a side note, back then we had what they called a "Stevens Line" that ran from your main riser to the reserve ripcord handle. Cut away from your main chute and it would automatically pull your reserve. We trained to do it on our own, but it was a nice backup. I didn't even have enough time after pulling my release rings to reach for my reserve before it was already pulled. Good stuff. :yesnod:

Anyway, if anyone of us in the over 50 crowd was thinking of doing a static line jump, I'd recommend trying some parachute landing falls and seeing how your lower body tolerated that. You might want to start at chair height, and eventually move up to four feet or so. If that doesn't bother you, your jump should go fine.
Yeah I forgot all about the full day prior to my first jump. We did a half day of classroom followed by a half day of PLFs and emergency procedures drills. I hate to admit it, but for the over 50 crew it would be a good idea to just check yourself to verify you're up to the task of dropping/rolling from a short-to-medium height. Of course, there's always the Feet-Knees-Forehead method. :lol:

I rather like weilke's suggestion that you go for an AFF. Yeah, it's going to be around $300, but you'll get the full experience and when you're done, you'll know whether or not you'd want to continue.
I second (third?) that. If it had been an option when I jumped, it would have made the first jump a LOT more enjoyable (and less stressful).
 
I never attended a dying patient who talked about wishing he had done a parachute jump - lots of other things, but not that.

I used to fly divers - after the last one was out I pulled the throttle back and rolled into a steep turn and watch the meat bombs for a second, always shaking my head. I have zero desire.

Hey Jonesy, why don't you go to the Bondurant High Performance Driving School, or the Gunsite Academy (recommended), or take a couple of hours of dual in a chopper, or get that floatplane rating, instead?
 
Hey Jonesy, why don't you go to the Bondurant High Performance Driving School, or the Gunsite Academy (recommended), or take a couple of hours of dual in a chopper, or get that floatplane rating, instead?

Bondurant (or similar) is on my bucket list, but I have been to go-kart racing schools. I have 3.1 of helicopter dual so far, and an hour on floats. Hope to do my float rating next spring. Helicopter....sometime after that!
 
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