Oopsie at JFK

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  1. luvflyin

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    Just saw it on the news. It was 'Harrowing.' Delta gets cleared for takeoff 13R. Delta says 'dude, there's an airplane out there.' Tower says 'yeah, I see that, cancel take off clearance.' Tower says 'yo, Polaris, dude, like yer trying to land on the wrong runway, go around.' Polaris says 'OK.' End of 'Harrowiness.' Still don't know if Approach gave him the wrong runway or not.
     
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    I really liked your breakdown.
     
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    Grr....
    It wasn't Polaris, it is called VOlaris.
    Brickyard is Republic.
     
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    So would anyone from this incident being file a ASRS report?

    And of more interest (to me!) will anyone being visiting the FSDO after this?
     
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    Haha the controller would file IF he had issued runway 13R by mistake when he meant 13L. Voloris I dunno as they're a Mexican airline.
     
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    So I got into more trouble than these guys will??

    For my case, there was one person on my flight (me). At most there would have been maybe 20+ on a Global Express (biggest I've seen at our airport). And there was actually no airplanes or ground vehicles on the runway when I landed. Yet I had to go through the process and nobody here will....wow.
     
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    I don't know the repercussions for a foreign airline crew(Volaris) as I said. Delta (jet taking off) did nothing wrong.
     
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    Enough safety violations and a foreign airline can get on the sh*tlist, basically. Generally, though, it would require gross violations like large maintenance lapses, failure to comply with ADs, etc.

    From a 2008 blog post about it: https://airlineworld.wordpress.com/2008/04/12/blacklisted-airlines/
     
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    Most major carriers have a different reporting system (in addition to ASRS) that basically relieves them of sanction. I think Volaris is Colombian though, so not sure they have the program. Also not sure what the rules are for violation across country borders.
     
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    Not only that, Delta gets the 'save'
     
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    Lol. If it's any consolation, someone is likely to get a much worse grilling than you got. It'll be internally in ATC and/or the Airline and may involve some loss of pay.
     
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    When in the line for takeoff for 13R, you can see the planes on base for the left side. I'm reasonably new to JFK so I haven't seen it, but it seems like every guy I fly with has a story of someone accidentally making the early turn to line up with 13R. Apparently it's not terribly uncommon.
     
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    I like the way the Tower girl says "welcome back" when he checks in for 22. When he first got shipped to the Tower, 119.1, he acknowldges it and then a few seconds later asks for verification of the frequency. I wonder if there was some sort of 'mindset' in the cockpit about 123.9, the south runways frequency. Heavy metal drivers? Whada ya think some cockpit miscommunication had something to do with this?
     
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    Sometimes they give you the wrong frequency. Sometimes pilots mishear.
     
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    Is that like “double secret probation”? LOL.
     
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    Typically who is doing the talking with ATC? If Tom is flying the plane, is Dick doing the talking? I'm still wondering about that frequency change to the Tower. They read it back correctly. A few seconds go by and they initiate the call to the Tower to verify it. Did Tom somewhere along the line get his mind thinking they were going to 13R? When he heard the frequency change to 119.1, knowing that was the usual 13L frequency, tell Dick to 'verify' that the Tower was using the other frequency for some reason?
     
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    Dick is doing the talking. Those are all possible scenarios.
     
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