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  1. AlleyCat67

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  2. GeorgeC

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    Sounds like at least three people busted the TFR today :(
     
  3. Racerx

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    I'd hope that if anyone here becomes president they'd tell the secret service that general aviation was never a threat to the president. All it does is highlight where he is.
     
  4. AlleyCat67

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    Wonder if they evacuated him three separate times? “Ok Mr. President it’s safe to come back… er, hold that thought.”
     
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    Paranoid!
     
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    Heh!
     
  8. Daleandee

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    The old fella probably wondered where anyone found the money to get gas ...
     
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    I've been keeping an eye on that TFR because I'm planning flights to WWD and OXB tomorrow/Monday. Apparently, if the TFR got extended I would need to file a VFR flight plan to the airports in question, then request a squawk code prior to entering the outer ring? I've never tried it.
     
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    I’d hope that if anyone here becomes president they would tell the ss that the tfr isn’t doing squat and most GA plane could crash on him before they could do squat about it.


    Not really.
     
  11. AlleyCat67

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    Have we ever had a President with a pilots certificate? VP?
     
  12. unsafervguy

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    I don't know if they had civilian tickets, but both bush's were military pilots.
     
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  13. TrueCourse

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    The best part of the busts is watching and seeing the fighter jet intercept.
     
  14. Jim K

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    Eisenhower also:

    "His mission was to find a plane to go back and forth to the farm, and to make other short trips. The Colonel chose one of the most popular executive transports of the day, the Aero Commander 560A, and the Air Force ordered several for the President’s use. The Air Force designated the planes the L-26. Himself a pilot, Ike often took the controls of the Aero Commander, enjoying the opportunity to fly."
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    I don't think anyone on POA has a chance of being president. Most people here seem to have some actual life and work experience, and that doesn't line up with current politics.

    Wasn't Bob Hoover involved in demoing that aircraft for the AF? That would be a great transport even today. We don't need the capability for an airborne command post anymore, that would be fine. Or just clear out first class and put him on a Delta flight with everyone else.
     
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    Ike
    George Bush (issued in 1948)
    George H W Bush (issue in 1945)
     
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    How did dubya get a cert at age 2?
     
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    Sounds like another unplanned presidential movement.
     
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    The registry shows when the latest certificate was issued, not when the first one was issued. For example, mine says 2021 when I got my ASES rating but the original was back 50+ Years earlier. So I doubt the one listed for GW is his original, or maybe he didn’t get one after his tour in the Guard as a pilot and decided to get one at 69 for a souvenir.

    Cheers
     
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    I hear Imodium AD (in liquids and tablets) is good for that.
     
  22. Daleandee

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    Low hanging curveball there fellas ... :D
     
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    We work with what we’re given.
     
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    I'd be happy with a G650 or whatever they're up to now as opposed to the 747s.
     
  25. GeorgeC

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    I haven't tried it either, but yes, file/squawk/talk like it says. You can't piggyback on an SFRA plan, I asked :(

    https://www.pilotsofamerica.com/community/threads/operating-in-a-tfr.131424/#post-3066239
     
  26. Brad W

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    Since they started, I've been wondering why this hasn't been seriously considered.
    or
    are some of these things put off as decoy's?
     
  27. Strutwipe

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    Is there a legal difference between busting a restricted area and a Potus TRF? I never thought to ask the question of "what happens". Go to prison, revoke/suspended license, impound/confiscate aircraft, a good talking to with additional training?
     
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    We had a lot of busts in NJ for four years. The TFR covered a big part of the width of the state, with many airports affected. I recall there were over 130 busts in the first few months. The Secret Service finally scheduled a pilot meeting in Bedminster, also inviting the Allentown Tracon, and one of the intercept pilots to speak.

    It was pretty interesting. Standard procedure for an intercept was to instruct the pilot where to land, coordinate with local police to hold the pilot there until the Secret Service could arrive for the 'good talking to'. What would happen next depended on the circumstances of the bust and how the talk went, but we didn't get specifics, and I didn't know anyone who actually went through it.

    Apparently a lot of the early busts were pilots at small airports under the TFR, who 'knew' the floor where radar coverage started at their airport. They'd go out to do pattern work figuring they'd be invisible, and the airborne radar they hadn't anticipated would pick them up.
     
  29. Albany Tom

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    They're launching AWACS to protect a VIP flight? That's like using the 82nd Airborne to protect the little rascals clubhouse...
     
  30. geezer

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    TFR bust are common in the Capitol area.

    Interesting subject, the interview with the Federal Officer, after landing. I have spoken to about 6 such pilots.

    The best outcomes result from an apologetic attitude. Do not pretend ignorance, just miss understanding the details.

    Any defensive attitude does not end well, and can result in FAA meetings to discuss your understanding of the rules. None of them cared to be quoted in any way.

    Camp David is the regular hit around here, when occupied by POTUS.
     
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    Let us know how your chat with the Secret Service went after you made this post..... :)
     
  32. MauleSkinner

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    As noted about the TFRs,
    I used to have a chief pilot who almost got us one of those chats because he was trying to impress some woman with his “connections” by knowing when the prez was planning to land in Portland (or wherever we were) the next day.
     
  33. Strutwipe

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    But what about the legal consequences? I agree that going a few hundred feet and a few thousand miles makes a difference. As a new to the block, I'm just wondering.
     
  34. FlyingTiger

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    Military pilots must have to do some serious slow flight to intercept the typical GA airplane.
     
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    I thought H60s are the typical intercept aircraft.
     
  36. GeorgeC

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    They use MH65s here, but the two people I know who were intercepted got an F-16 and F-15.

    It's a good idea to listen to guard.
     
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    Had a co-worker in CAP and they got to be the bogey for some F-16 intercepts in the 182. The pictures were neat and an impressive AoA on the F-16 lawn dart.
     
  38. Omalley1537

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    Oh, TFR bust…
     
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    Slow to 70 knots, and then see how they do at intercept lol
     
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