North Las Vegas Crash: Insane Airport Manager Comments

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http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721

This was just a few blocks from where my brother in law lives. When I first saw the video it looked just like his dad's old house too!

But I find the reaction of the airport manager to be very disturbing.

According to Airport Director Randall Walker, this incident is the worst air accident off the airport grounds in Las Vegas history. Now for the first time, Walker is publicly calling for more local control over what aircraft come in and out of airports.
Walker says the airport has no control over what aircraft fly in and out -- there hasn't even been a risk assessment for what kind of risks these experimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going to start lobbying to get Congress to change the law and allow airports to have more control.
But again, Randall Walker says that these kinds of aircraft do not belong in urban areas.
So how would you like that airport managers to decide which aircraft are airworthy enough to use their airport?



I say he is being insane in his reaction. Will he, if he gets his way, decide that what ever aircraft has a bad accident record will not get to land? How do you think Cirrus would like that? They are the current aircraft to get blamed for a lot of accidents. I also like who he is blaming the airplanes yet statistics show the pilot matter more in the accident than the airframe.

 
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I guess based on yesterday's Spanish tragedy MD-80s are out of there.
Oh, and the parking lot better get monitored for cars that are crash prone.
 
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My congressman tried to get the MU-2 banned after two of them crashed in his district...
 
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I've got a better idea. Let's ban politicians and political appointees. They contribute nothing and add trouble whereever they go. And I'm only half kidding.
 
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I left Vegas this afternoon (via spam can) and the story was all over the news. Here's one of the available stories.
 
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This airport manager is the kind of idiot from which we get career politicians who do whatever it takes to placate the dumb masses. He wants a name for himself in the media and is getting it with these stupid comments.
 
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That doesn't make him any less of an idiot. He should really get ticked off at HOU. His attitude would really be down there if a flight school were located on LAS.

No, but it may make him more dangerous.
 
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North Las Vegas (VGT) is where I learned to fly and also got my Instrument rating. Back then (1997) that didn't have parallel rwy's, although they did have intersecting runways.

Hate to hear at anytime about an airplane driver going down, but when one has time at that same location, it makes it all that much more sad.

Final To Rwy 7:

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Ya'll be safe, please.
 
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Walker is not your average airport manager.
http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker
Great! Running an aviation section of government with no real aviation or airport management experience. Can you say 'politically connected'. I see he is also in charge of McCarren which makes me think this is all about being able to clear the skies for that airport.
 
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In Atlanta, you get jobs by being politically AND racially connected. Sad but true.
 
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He should really get ticked off at HOU.

Kenny, I'm confused, why should he get ticked off at HOU? I saw no reference to Hobby in the article or his profile...
 
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There have been many efforts along these lines, especially WRT experimental aircraft. I don't think it'll happen based on one reality: Federal control trumps everything else unless the feds choose to give up power, and the feds NEVER choose to give up power. About the only effort that has gotten any serious consideration is one to prevent amateur-built airplanes from being test flown out of urban airports. But even that has been up and down.
 
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Kenny, I'm confused, why should he get ticked off at HOU? I saw no reference to Hobby in the article or his profile...
PJ, Sorry about the confusion. If he were manager of HOU or if there were similar training operations, he'd be ticked even worse than he is.
 
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PJ, Sorry about the confusion. If he were manager of HOU or if there were similar training operations, he'd be ticked even worse than he is.

Ah, I get it now, and I agree. He'd be even more ticked about the museum's next Wings and Wheels, which is going to be an Experimental Day.
 
There have been many efforts along these lines, especially WRT experimental aircraft. I don't think it'll happen based on one reality: Federal control trumps everything else unless the feds choose to give up power, and the feds NEVER choose to give up power. About the only effort that has gotten any serious consideration is one to prevent amateur-built airplanes from being test flown out of urban airports. But even that has been up and down.

Aren't experimentals already prohibited from the "extended Class Bravo" area until they have 25(?) hours?
 
Aren't experimentals already prohibited from the "extended Class Bravo" area until they have 25(?) hours?

What is an "extended Class Bravo" and why do you think experimentals are prohibited from them until they have 25 hours?
 
Reported on Aero-news network

NTSB said:
NTSB Identification: LAX08LA274
14 CFR Part 91: General Aviation
Accident occurred Friday, August 22, 2008 in North Las Vegas, NV
Aircraft: Killgore M/Killgore K Velocity 173RG, registration: N415MK
Injuries: 3 Fatal.


This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On August 22, 2008, at 0628 Pacific daylight time, an experimental Killgore M/Killgore K Velocity 173RG, N415MK, collided with a residential building in North Las Vegas, Nevada. The airplane is registered to the owner/builder and it was being operated by the pilot under the provisions of 14 Code of Federal Regulations Part 91. The certificated airline transport pilot and two people on the ground were killed. Post impact fire destroyed the airplane and partially burned the residence. The local flight departed North Las Vegas Airport at 0627. Visual meteorological conditions prevailed, and no flight plan had been filed.

Preliminary information obtained from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) revealed that the airplane departed North Las Vegas from runway 12 left. Shortly after takeoff the air traffic controller observed that the airplane was not gaining altitude. The controller asked the pilot if he needed assistance, to which the pilot responded, "I'm going down, I'm going down." The airplane then collided with a house 1.1 miles southeast of the airport.

The owner/builder was interviewed by the National Transportation Safety Board investigator-in-charge after the accident. He reported that the engine was equipped with a supercharger, and that the purpose of the flight was to test the performance of the airplane and engine with the supercharger engaged. He further reported that the supercharger was tested on multiple occasions during high speed taxi tests and ground runs the week prior to the accident, but that this was to be the first time it would be engaged for flight.

The pilot held an airline transport pilot certificate with ratings for airplane single engine land, multiengine land, and instrument airplane. He additionally held a flight engineer certificate, mechanic certificate, and a flight instructor certificate for airplane single engine, multiengine, and instrument airplane. On his latest FAA third-class medical application, dated September 7, 2006, the pilot stated that he had amassed 6,250 hours of total flight time.

The canard configuration, four-seat, low-wing, retractable gear airplane, was issued a Special Airworthiness Certificate on March 9, 2008. It was powered by a Lycoming IO-360-C1C, engine and equipped with a three bladed MT-Propeller, model MTV-18-B.

The Experimental Amateur-Built Airplane Operating Limitations for the accident airplane specified the following compliance under the section: Phase 1 Limitations-Initial Flight Testing,
'After a minimum time of (5) hours, and after controllability, airworthiness, and safety checks required by FAR 90.319(b) and chapter 4 of Advisory Circular 90.89A are established and recorded in the airplane logbook the airplane then may complete the remaining hours required in Phase 1 while based at North Las Vegas Airport (VGT); OR, a one time flight to the "Airplane Base of Operations" may also be conducted remaining clear of all densely populated areas and congested airways. NOTE: Airplane Base of Operations: Show Low Regional Airport (KSOW). This airplane must be operated for at least 25 (Twenty Five) hours in the assigned geographic areas'

Review of the airplane maintenance logbook records revealed that on March 17, 2008, the airplane had amassed a total flight time of 5.1 hours. A logbook entry for that date noted, 'This airplane meets all the controllability, airworthiness, and safety checks required by FAR 91.319(b) and chapter 4 of advisory circular 90-89A.'
http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockID=efbfd58b-4a6f-4095-b7ff-fc783fa77709&
 
Way to go, Tom! (Or at least the EAA staffer who actually wrote it and put Tom's name on it)
 
The motorcycle rate is high because of their popularity. Now lots of guys my age are purchasing their first bikes, often literbikes, and taking off without PPE and often with alcohol. Fortunately, pilots flying into IMC and running out of gas are less common.
 
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My congressman tried to get the MU-2 banned after two of them crashed in his district...

I remember that. Both were going into Centennial in some marginal weather. I also think both were based at my former airport, Front Range.
 
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Walker is not your average airport manager.
http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker

Perhaps Mr. Walker should really stop and think about Public Safety...

Ban homebuilts and Cessna 150's??? What is he thinking? Isn't he concerned about aviation safety? This makes no sense at all. Did Mr. Walker learn NOTHING from 9/11? How could he be so unaware? Isn't the danger presented by large transport aircraft painfully clear? Does he have any concern for public safety at all?

Yes, small aircraft are sometimes involved in accidents - but what is the outcome? Beyond the occupants, it exceedingly rare to involve any innocent bystanders at all. But what happens when one of the flying WMDs comes down in a populated area? THOUSANDS DEAD!!!

Can you imagine what would happen if a fully loaded 767 were to experience problems and crash in to a crowded casino - spewing 5,000 gallons of jet fuel onto thousands of innocent, unsuspecting people? People that he is supposed to be protecting!

How can he live with ourselves knowing that this kind of tragedy isn't just possible, but given time, inevitable?

How can he continue to turn a blind eye to this tremendous threat to human life?

How can he not DEMAND that these large aircraft be banned from flying over or landing in the vicinity of a populated area? Clearly, at a MINIMUM, any aircraft with a gross weight over 30,000 pound should absolutely forbidden to approach within 50 miles of a populated area. And, I suspect, that if Mr. Walker were to consider this carefully, he would agree that the only way that we can be safe is if large aircraft are banned from the sky completely.

We went to war with Iraq over WMDs, how can Mr. Walker ignore the ones flying over our heads every day?

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Which is more fun, a sensable reasoned response like the one from the EAA or an out and out rant?
 
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