Non-glass vacuum delete?

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  1. Mtns2Skies

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    I'm not particularly a big fan of glass panels, and Mrs. Mtns2Skies is very opposed to glass in a taildragger. That being said, I'd still like the benefits or removing the vacuum system for weight loss and simplicity. Are there electric gyro DG/AI's available as a primary instrument that don't cost more than a G5?
     
  2. Unit74

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    Nope
     
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    Well, I guess I'll keep the vac system then.
     
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    You won’t tumble a dig Gyro if you want to go play or have to cage it.
     
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    Not really an issue for me :)
     
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    Keep a look out for the Aerovoincs AV30. You might get away with it and keep the steam gauge look. Their stuff is with the FAA right now.
     
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    That.

    This is how I plan to replace my AI and ditch the last bit of my vac system.
     
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    I found good electric gyros for my plane by watching eBay and Craglist. AH for $275, DG $135. Both work perfectly and TSOed. I back up with Dynon D2.
     
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    I've been watching the AV30 as well, but what happens if the 140A (or 180 or 185) aren't on the AML?
     
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    The Aerovonics AV20 would function well as a backup
     
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    If you troll ebay you can find the RC Allen and MidContinent electric models come up periodically. I have a non-lifesaver Midcontinent I'll be selling here at some point along with the rest of the junk I removed(er, not junk, lovely analog aviation parts).
     
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    No it won’t if you are looking for a legal backup. It’s certified under NORSEE.
     
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    Not sure how that works...It's OK to install it and use it under NORSEE but you can't look at it if your primary fails?

    Vacuum sucks :)
     
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    The OP wants to rip out the vac system and R/R with a certified solution. Best bet is to wait till the AV30 has the STC, or go with G5 or an E5 and be done with it. But I think the OPis tryingto keep that classic panel look.
     
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    You've hit the nail squarely on the head.
     
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    You could always go with a sleeper panel with a flip up cover. Under the cover a modern system. :needpics:
     
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    Why is everyone recommending the AV-30? It may be round, but it's still glass.

    There are plenty of electric spinny-gyro attitude indicators out there, like the one @Tom-D linked to.
     
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    Resurrecting this because I'm looking at gyro replacements, I don't need the features of a G5 but I want to get rid of the weight and complexity of vacuum. Plus my HG is dead.

    From a weight perspective, would an electric gyro not gain you much over a vacuum gyro assembly? I understand you're ditching the pump and tubing, but wouldn't an electronic option be the lightest?

    What about the RC Allen stuff? 1510 and 2610, specifically. They look good on paper.
     
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    (Second column from the right is weights)

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    Electric/Mecanical gyros weight about the same as a vacuum gyro.

    Solid State gyros (such as the G5) weigh about half, but that's not the whole story when you add an antenna, GMU, GAD and standby batteries (as applicable)
     
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    What's the weight difference of wet vs dry?
     
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    1/2
     
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    Anyone know anything about the RC Allen options? 1510 and 2610.
     
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    All total only 12 pounds? I was under the impression the net total once adding digital instruments would be about -15.
     
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    That might be what people say but it's nonsense. Those gyros were the originals a Cessna 182 came with in 1968. I weighed all that stuff personally on a digital calibrated scale used to weigh aircraft fire extinguishers