New Airline

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  1. Palmpilot

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    "New US airline has $19 fares, $10 checked bags and flies out of small airports: Meet Avelo Airlines"

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/trav...tes-fares-bag-fees-burbank-flights/4873472001

    The last time a new airline took off in the United States, US Airways and Continental Airlines were still flying, and bag fees weren't a thing.

    It was 2007 and the airline was Virgin America.

    Fast forward to 2021: Virgin America is gone, acquired by Alaska Airlines in 2016, US Airways and Continental, too, after their respective mergers with American and United.

    Andrew Levy, a former top executive at Allegiant and United, says the changes have given travelers fewer options.

    "We went down to a very few number of airlines in the marketplace,'' he said. "I think choice is always good.''

    Enter Avelo Airlines, the startup airline Levy started thinking about in 2015 and launched Wednesday in Southern California. The first flight: Hollywood Burbank Airport in Burbank to Santa Rosa, California, a gateway to northern California wine country....​
     
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    Their pay is trash. It’s going to be interesting to see how they do.
     
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    The article is also wrong. There have been others since 2007. The attempted reboot of the Eastern Airlines name started in 2010 and is still in progress. There's also the regional Silver Wings and a handful of commuters.
     
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    Pilots are whores. They will do better than they should.
     
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    Speaking the quiet parts out loud. And that dear sir, is why you live in my signature line :D
     
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    Exactly. There'll also be no shortage of lower time guys (ATP but not competitive for major/ULCC) looking to get in on the ground floor. Management's goal will be to grow the airline as fast a humanly possible before the SJS and koolaid dries up. We've seen this movie many many times before!
     
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    Silver isn't a new airline, it was simply a re-brand of Gulfstream International... What regional has started since 2007?
     
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    SJS??. Nevermind, found it

    SJS
    "Shiny Jet Syndrome", coined by an anonymous, but obsevant pilot.
    An affliction wherein a (usually) young pilot is willing to go into massive debt to get training to get a flying job at starvation wages (often requiring living at parents home). Most sufferers get help at regional/commuter airlines, whose greedy bosses buy large numbers of small, cramped jets to accomodate them.
    The military and major airlines don't usually have many SJS sfflictees as the entrance requirements are more stringent or applicants too jaded.

    Gomer MUST have SJS! They're only going to pay him $17000 the first year and he didn't even tell the to f**k off!
     
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    Breeze is taking an interesting approach in their flight attendant hiring. All their flight attendants will be part time, while also attending Utah Valley University online (I think with tuition paid by the company?) so it's assumed most will move on to other careers after earning their degree. The flight attendant union claims this is just a plan for age discrimination so the airlines will only have young college age flight attendants.
     
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    Last I knew, there was no MAXIMUM age to enroll in college.
     
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    Is Matt Gaetz on the board at Breeze?
     
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    True. I don't know if Breeze really just wants young people as FAs as the AFA claims, or this is smart way to attract more applicants by offering a unique benefit. Either way it will be interesting to watch.
     
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    They wanna put the Stew back into FA
     
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    That depends on whether applicants can choose the part-time/college route or a traditional full-time FA position.

    The one article I read said that they would (had to?) live in company-owned housing, too.
     
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    From what I've read, all positions will be part time, but some positions don't require the concurrent enrollment in college:

     
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    The union is probably correct but who cares? A lot of people will find a way to advance their lives with an education they otherwise would not have been able to afford. I’m sure the applicants will not all be young versions of what one demographic finds attractive. The only thing they have in common will be a desire to include tuition as part of their compensation.
     
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    I'd be willing to bet it's the former, but quite honestly I think it's a pretty smart way to go about it. Probably keep you mostly safe from litigation and the constant turnover will reduce the pressure to increase wages (as I understand they'll make $1200/mo).
     
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    By my calculations, that’s 7.50 an hour, assuming a 40 hour week and 4 weeks/month. That’s right around minimum wage. Not many established folks would want to work for minimum wage, but tuition and company supplied housing would help.

    Flying around the country in an aluminum tube sounds like better work than working in a steel fabrication shop like I did for a bit more than minimum wage when I was getting my undergraduate degree. And, the company didn’t supply housing nor tuition assistance.
     
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    Well, considering this is supposed to be a part time job, I would hope they would not be working the equivalent of a 40 hour week.
     
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    So many of these startups were looking for investors (and indentured employees) to make money from. Not from payload.