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Discussion in 'Flight Following' started by Somedudeintn, Jan 7, 2020.
A few pretty cool features.
Would be nice to be filthy rich and get that I guess. I’ll fly my ‘62 Comanche 250 because that’s what fits my budget...and it’s a fun bird. I’m sure the new Cirrus would be fun too.
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I appreciate that they do things that other people would balk at or say is impossible.. I must say, it is pretty cool to be able to pop open an app on your phone and check the airplane vitals
You can't do that scanning the instruments?
Can't really scan the instruments from my living room
ooooooh, 4 new colors, exciting!
The app is gimmicky, although cool, I guess. But are you still not gonna visually check your oil? Are you not gonna check fuel because your app said you have plenty? Kinda goofy but I still give them credit for pushing forward. And I thought the guy in the video did a great job.
Then why would you care?
Personally, my life is too busy to worry about the airplane fluid levels when I am miles away and not about to fly it.
It's not meant to replace a proper preflight. It's partly gimmicky, but it can also save you time so you know if you need to get out there early and top off O2 / TKS /fuel.. preheat.. etc.
Most cars tell you what each tire PSI is.. they don't do that because it's impossible to manually check your tires, but because it's convenience
Most things in 2020.. really since the Industrial revolution.. are not "must haves" - we get to live in a world where people can pick "nice to have" items
Huh? I was pointing out the use case of the app, the idea isn't to be sitting in your plane and take your phone out, it's so:
Awesome!! I’m gonna order one!
It honestly amazes me what people will pay for those factory new when you look at relatively new Meridians or twins for the same or less money where you're not strapped behind that single big bore conti.
To each his own but it blows my mind.
I like it but what do I know. It's the convergence of technology into something that has been around since the Wright Brothers. Every little bit seems like a gimmick but put them all together and you have a nice package. It's the same thing that Tesla is doing and I believe it will eventually enable more people to fly and for longer periods.
I think 95% of us on this board aren’t buying new planes, but it seems that the majority of those that are buying new piston airplanes are choosing Cirrus. The price of a new airplane is pretty wild, but if I was a high net worth individual and wanted to buy a new airplane to take my family around I’m pretty sure I’d end up with a cirrus.
disclaimer: I’ve never flown one, only a couple hundred hours is cessnas.
Most new things though are "over priced" - I agree with you though... $1M for a single engine "4" place piston is bonkers. But if you compare it against other "new" planes, then a new C172 is almost $500K.. I would say all in all an SR22T G6 is "twice" the plane that a C172 is. And if you look at a factory new Meridian, err, M600, that's up north of $2M.. double the price of Cirrus.. and a factory new TBM is north of $4M
They're all *stupid* expensive and within 10-20 years they'll be selling for half that, or less.
I mean who am I to judge I'll never afford one and even if I had the money I'd have to get divorced first to be allowed to spend that much on a plane and then I'd only have half as much money
But if I had a million dollars (no royalties given to Barenaked Ladies) I wouldn't be in any piston single. I could afford something more reliable, parachute aside.
Funny she talks about the 4 blade prop in the context of ramp appeal but makes no reference to what it does for performance?? I love the plane though and would definitely own one if I needed it.
I was on the fence...but then, I mean...did you see that key fob!?! That does it. I just gots to have one!
It looks like they’re target marketing to Millennials.
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Well to be clear, most cars tell you what the tire pressure is because it’s federally mandated to have a TPMS in all lightvehicles since around 2008.
But many go above and beyond the little orange flat tire idiot light and give you a nice digital schematic of each tire.. 31, 33, 32, 35, etc
But like Tesla, Bonanza (at the time), there's always a faction of people who are repulsed by advances or conveniences that they may not have had "I didn't get all these fancy things so neither should you! Dog-gone-it!"
I was curious about that too.. quieter? Better climb?? Purely looks?!
My car will supposedly let me check tire pressures and other stuff sitting in the living room from an app.
The tech to do this isn’t really new. There were vehicles that sent telemetry in the first days of cellular data. It’s just a commodity RF module and some sensors now.
It’s still kinda as useless as it was on the early cars doing it and the modern ones. They want me to pay a monthly fee for it after a trial period I believe.
Guess who probably won’t be? LOL. I’ve managed to handle my own maintenance reminders for decades without the car whining that it needs an oil change.
Believe me, the Comanche is a lot more fun to fly. The Cirrus is a great tool for the A to B world, fast efficient and has a capable avionics suite that allows the pilot to manage versus fly. But as far as fun to fly, I've found the Cirrus isn't that. I didn't find the side stick hard to fly by any means, but just didn't find the airplane enjoyable to hand fly. I had often heard that before I ever flew one, and it took me about 45 seconds of flying it to figure out what that meant.
Quieter, better climb, and a lot less efficient.
And there’s always, well, at least one fanboy who if cirrus sold every plane with a heaping pile of dog shyte on the front seat, you, I mean the fanboy would rave about how that’s the best heaping pile of dog shyte in the world and how everyone else is wrong for calling it what it is. Whatever.
Perhaps a situation such as "I wonder if my partner ran down the TKS/oxygen on their flight and if so should I call ahead for a top off?".
Don’t partner with a dick? LOL.
The Cessna TT has better feel. It’s fun to fly. Faster than the cirrus as well. To bad Cessna sucked at marketing and then that whole Mexico thing ...
Sometimes that's where the money's at.
I own a 170, which is pretty far out on the opposite side spectrum from a Cirrus. But damned if Cirrus marketing knows what the hell they're doing. That video was really well done. You'll never see anything "exciting" (I use that term loosely...) like that from Textron. I'm no Cirrus fan (my biggest issue is their fuel tank design vs. say, the DA40), but that interior is stunning, and even practical. The app is pretty cool. Not sure I'd use it much, but hey, it's 2020 and this is the stuff that gets the ball rolling for more effective technology down the road. You can call your Tesla to you with your phone now. Again...not sure I'd use that, but I'm all for this progress even though I really don't like the darned Cirrus at all.
Someone said "looks like it's being marketed to millennials." Well, yeah. They're the new blood we need in GA, and a lot of them are getting farther in their careers now and some are starting to make some serious money.
So thankful for my awesome co-owners.
Where’s the remote start!?
If you have a concierge service to prep (and primp) your Cirrus, they should have the app and they should be letting you know they've taken care of it.
I'm holding out for the heated side yoke grip.
So like most of the products Apple turns out, that are, on many levels, behind their Android rivals?
I don't think an app that you can access at home that tells you oil level, O2, etc., is dog shyte. In fact, I'd venture if Garmin offered that as some sort of plug in for their GTN line up we'd have threads here about shop recommendations for the "GTN-connect" hardware.. as someone pointed up thread, it could actually be very useful for clubs and multi-pilot airframes
but you know.. whatever
They're marketing to those wanting to be considered smart. It's non generational. The word "smart" is used six times in this well done video. Very nice plane though.
I give Cirrus a lot of credit, obviously they know there market better than anyone else if you base it on sales #'s. I'm quiet sure I'll never be in a position to purchase one, and if I was I'd go a different route, either twin (DA62) or turbine. If I had north of $1M to spend on a plane, I'm not going to spend it on one that my current plane will do the same mission....I'll be a little slower, and no TKS, but outside of that I can do the same mission.
Cirrus to me is the Apple of the airplane industry. Is there product significantly "better" than everyone else? Probably not. But the way the market it sure is. And they seem to know exactly was the consumer wants. But for me, for that kind of money, if I was going to jump up to a longer distance traveling plane, I'd want something with a second engine or something faster.
Hey, when I bought a new, fancy, expensive truck, I didn't even need a truck, and certainly not a new one! But I wanted one, and could afford it. If people didn't buy new, we couldn't buy used! I will say that I'd save my pennies for a new DA62, if I was gonna go new. Fairly inexpensive to operate, and two engines that sip less (and cheaper) fuel than the Cirrus.
I have a suspicion that she thinks of the 4-blader as 'dubs' for your plane, rather than something functional.
I'm certain that I could afford it. The key fob, that is.
There is one and only one thing I dislike about the Cirrus.
My aircraft is 50 years old. Its going strong. Yes, it can be very expensive to maintain, but there are no regular maintenance items that aren't found on any other GA airplane. When the Cirrus get as old (and valueless) as my aircraft, they'll likely be scrapped. No matter what, you have to pay for that chute repack every 10 years. Right now I think its $15K, and that will likely rise in the future. I doubt anyone is going to pay that for a vintage airframe that isn't worth that much. Eventually they'll all be scrapped well before their time. That I don't like.