Need Another AR-15

If you think you need an auto rifle for Shtf, you either can't shoot to begin with or have no clue. Id suggest a nice shotty instead if so. Sounds like more of a Rambo mentality to me. Autos have their place, but not in your hands.
 
Dav8or said:
See, coming from California, the idea of buying an AR-15 clone at Walmart just blows my mind. Walmarts here barely sell BB guns. Well, that and the $800 price tag. I bought a Colt AR-15 back in 1992 or so (totally stock, there where no modded ARs then), whenever the California "assault weapons" ban was to kick in and I paid $1600 for it.

I have no idea what something similar sells for in California now. There are hardly any gun stores left and I never seem to get into one. I need to buy new ammo to have around the house, but I never seem to get any because it seems every time I go in, the stores are all out. :dunno:
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Sounds like a time to move to the south.:D yeah our wal mart has more AR platforms than hunting rifles. The price did go up after sandy but they have come back down again. I rarely buy ammo in store, I do but not often. I like to buy in bulk. Check out sgammo.com. It's where I buy my ammo and even with shipping the cost per round will still likely be lower than a local gun store.
 
If I were looking for a budget AR to buy right now, I'd be really looking at the Ruger AR556. Good rifle, full feature, for less money than an M&P15 sport.


Alexb2000 said:
OK. How about starting with a LE/Mil spec Colt? I don't think you could ever lose money at this price. Also, I would NEVER build a rifle that didn't start with a quality lower.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/985379843/GREAT-PRICE-Colt-M4-AR15-LE6920-223-5-56-New-in-Box.htm
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There are only a handful of places that actually forge lowers, they end up branding them for tons of different people. If you're going to build, no reason not to buy a budget lower from PSA. I've got an Anderson lower that's great for the 50 bucks I spent for it.

Unit74 said:
If you think you need an auto rifle for Shtf, you either can't shoot to begin with or have no clue. Id suggest a nice shotty instead if so. Sounds like more of a Rambo mentality to me. Autos have their place, but not in your hands.
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Joe Biden tell you that? 2 blasts in the air to scare them away? SHTF, a shotgun is good for food, IMO. For defense, you want something a little better.
 
Was going to mention a cheap lower from PSA also. Not much going on in the lower. Of course if you want it to be "pretty" you can alway get a billet type one instead of a forged one.


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By the way, anyone not looking for a suppressor doesn't quite get what would be needed for real SHTF.

Full auto? Bwahaha. You'll be dead in ten minutes when the hungry mob arrives and overruns you for your stuff.


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My point on the LE Colt is for $900 you have a complete gun and a known commodity. You can remove and add things, whatever, if you want to sell it someday, people will understand what it is. Putting together a pile of parts is hard to resell, it might be awesome, it could be someone is selling a project they screwed up. People will pay accordingly.
 
Alexb2000 said:
Putting together a pile of parts is hard to resell, it might be awesome, it could be someone is selling a project they screwed up. People will pay accordingly.
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Nothing is really hard to resell right now, but that will change soon. Actually, my first thought when unblocking the OP's post so I could read it was wondering why he doesn't just start from scratch if it's just a toy to tinker with. Start with a decent LR and expand from there.
 
Alexb2000 said:
My point on the LE Colt is for $900 you have a complete gun and a known commodity. You can remove and add things, whatever, if you want to sell it someday, people will understand what it is. Putting together a pile of parts is hard to resell, it might be awesome, it could be someone is selling a project they screwed up. People will pay accordingly.
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But he will have paid very little to start with, if he shopped correctly on a cheap custom build, so he's very unlikely to take a loss.

The Colt is a fine way to go if you don't feel like building, definitely.


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AcroBoy said:
I would look online and buy the parts to build your own. The only part considered a firearm is the lower. The rest you can get locally in Wisconsin- Bravo company makes some great BCG's, while Krieger is an easy drive away, and they arguably make some of the best barrels. A big vice, some pin drivers, and perhaps a torque wrench and barrel wrench are all you'd need to make your own. Half the stuff you can also use on an airplane, and it's a lot of fun to build one- they're all modular. It does not take any gunsmithing skills, and can easily be done in an evening or two.
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THAT'S what I was thinking about. Thanks!
 
Unit74 said:
If you think you need an auto rifle for Shtf, you either can't shoot to begin with or have no clue. Id suggest a nice shotty instead if so. Sounds like more of a Rambo mentality to me. Autos have their place, but not in your hands.
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Who in the hell are you responding to?
 
denverpilot said:
Henning's assertion that he wouldn't buy anything that couldn't accept an auto-seer and fire control cam.
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Correction, I wouldn't buy an AR-15 like that, it makes no sense. If I want a semi auto rifle, I would get a rifle that does a better job of being a rifle. An AR is not a really good sniper platform. Most of what I would find a semi auto AR useful for, a good handgun would serve me better. For the price of an AR, I can get a decent used Remington in .308 and a 9mm or .40 semi auto pistol and have two good weapons for two different jobs rather than have one weapon which does neither job I need it to do well.

If I want something light to run with and make people duck while I get the **** out of there, then a full auto AR is a good weapon.
 
It'd save a lot of grief if your story didn't change every post.


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Can't you get a AR-15 for free with Obama program?

Just tell em you're a Mexican drug lord and you'd like a crate of AR-15s sent to your door, I think Bama will even cover shipping :yes:
 
I agree, full auto is over-rated for most civilian use. Yes, many find it 'cool' though.

Weeding through Armslist sellers shouldn't be that hard for an airplane owner, scrutinize and take precautions. It's at bad idea to meet in the bowels of Milwaukee at midnight.

I have bought and sold at the Fond Du Lac and Appleton airports. I just go in and let them know 1st, so they don't call the swat team on me. 'Big box' parking lots work too. This is WI after all, not Southern CA.
 
Henning said:
Never, video games are as boring as it gets for me, war based video games are even more boring. If I'm gonna blow **** up, it's not going to be on a video game.
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Oh course. You're the most interesting man in the world. Even beer is boring. ;)
 
sourdough44 said:
I agree, full auto is over-rated for most civilian use. Yes, many find it 'cool' though.
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The only reason to buy an AR is to have fun. So if some find it really fun to blow through a whole paycheck in an hour, or less, it seems legitimate too me.

It is cool. People will watch a video on YouTube of somebody going full auto on a TV set, but semi auto, not so much. If it were legal for me and I could afford it, I would have all kinds of full auto weapons. Just for fun. I seriously doubt I will ever have to lay down suppressing fire just so I can get the hell out of there.
 
Dav8or said:
The only reason to buy an AR is to have fun. So if some find it really fun to blow through a whole paycheck in an hour, or less, it seems legitimate too me.

It is cool. People will watch a video on YouTube of somebody going full auto on a TV set, but semi auto, not so much. If it were legal for me and I could afford it, I would have all kinds of full auto weapons. Just for fun. I seriously doubt I will ever have to lay down suppressing fire just so I can get the hell out of there.
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I've shot M-16s and MP-5s full auto. It definitely gives you a hard on. :)

But one of the most fun times I've had was shooting 40mm dummy grenades (filled with colored chalk) with an M203 grenade launcher.
 
nddons said:
I've shot M-16s and MP-5s full auto. It definitely gives you a hard on. :)

But one of the most fun times I've had was shooting 40mm dummy grenades (filled with colored chalk) with an M203 grenade launcher.
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I guess I'm jaded.....I got to blow sh.... Up, throw grenades, shot ma-duces till the paddles wore off, 203s, mk19s, m4s, SaWS, 240 golfs for a living..... It got old pretty quick. Then Obama neutered our armed forces and a bunch of my friends got to look for new jobs as well.

The AR platform in burst or auto is rather ineffective in the real world. You can't carry enough ammo to feed it without doing the seabag-drag.
 
My Garand doesn't care about these aluminum and plastic pop-guns.... :)
 
Clark1961 said:
My Garand doesn't care about these aluminum and plastic pop-guns.... :)
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Lulz ... Ditto. When my son in law convinced me I really needed a 5.56 popgun I acquiesced and bought a Ruger mini 14. It feels right at home in the safe snuggled up against the Garand.
 
gkainz said:
Lulz ... Ditto. When my son in law convinced me I really needed a 5.56 popgun I acquiesced and bought a Ruger mini 14. It feels right at home in the safe snuggled up against the Garand.
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Hannibal thanks you for keeping the Mini alive......:yes:
 
nddons said:
I've shot M-16s and MP-5s full auto. It definitely gives you a hard on. :)

But one of the most fun times I've had was shooting 40mm dummy grenades (filled with colored chalk) with an M203 grenade launcher.
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Run a belt or two through Ma Duece and you need Viagra with an M-16 after that.:lol:
 
Come on, the appropriate round for squirrel, rabbit, or varmint hunting is a .338 Lupua. You don't want a wounded squirrel to just crawl away after a 5.56 hit. For home defense this is also a good round if you feel the .50 BMG has too much recoil for CQB.:)
 
Alexb2000 said:
Come on, the appropriate round for squirrel, rabbit, or varmint hunting is a .338 Lupua. You don't want a wounded squirrel to just crawl away after a 5.56 hit. For home defense this is also a good round if you feel the .50 BMG has too much recoil for CQB.:)
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Hand grenades are extremely effective on them as well. You just gotta cook them off to just the right time before throwing is all.....:eek:
 
Henning said:
What is the point of having an AR-15 that won't accept an auto seer and selective fire cam?:dunno: Without being able to go rock and roll, I'd rather have a good .308.
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Spray and pray. That's what we called it "back in the day". Actually, I could empty a magazine from an M-16 in rock and roll and hit the target with most of the rounds. But, what's the point?

nddons said:
I've shot M-16s and MP-5s full auto. It definitely gives you a hard on. :)

But one of the most fun times I've had was shooting 40mm dummy grenades (filled with colored chalk) with an M203 grenade launcher.
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The M203 is even more fun with live rounds. Or, just play with the M-79.

Shoot an M-2 at 55 gallon drums out about a quarter mile. The tracers look like they're just floating on their way out, but once they hit something hard and change directions you really get a feel for just how fast they are really going. Quite a weapon. Had some real fun with one at the Yakima Firing Range back in the early 70s.
 
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