NA - Gold nearing $3,000!

My father would occasionally fly P&E bodies (picked up and embalmed by a local home) back to one of the family homes in a 182 back in the mid/late 1950’s. He would pull the back seat and squeeze it in. Much easier in the embalmed state than a fresh/flaccid one. In a non-pressurized cabin, the internal gases do strange things on their way to becoming external gases. ;)
 
Doesn’t that apply to any investment?!
The value in the dollar is that the IRS requires you to pay it in dollar. Even if the US dollar crashes, you still owe the IRS x amount of dollars. It means that the US dollar will always have some value, it can't go to zero. Bitcoin can actually go to zero.
 
The value in the dollar is that the IRS requires you to pay it in dollar. Even if the US dollar crashes, you still owe the IRS x amount of dollars. It means that the US dollar will always have some value, it can't go to zero. Bitcoin can actually go to zero.
I must be missing the point in regards to precious metals, particularly gold, as an investment vehicle.
 
I must be missing the point in regards to precious metals, particularly gold, as an investment vehicle.

If you expect an investment to produce interest or dividends, then precious metals clearly lack in that regard.

But I think upthread I mentioned that they’re best seen as a hedge against inflation or hyperinflation. They’ve historically worked well in that regard.
 
The value in the dollar is that the IRS requires you to pay it in dollar. Even if the US dollar crashes, you still owe the IRS x amount of dollars. It means that the US dollar will always have some value, it can't go to zero. Bitcoin can actually go to zero.
But what if the IRS gets disbanded? Could the US dollar go to zero, too? :ihih:
 
If you expect an investment to produce interest or dividends, then precious metals clearly lack in that regard.

But I think upthread I mentioned that they’re best seen as a hedge against inflation or hyperinflation. They’ve historically worked well in that regard.
Depends when you look at it. As posted above, the highs and lows are about a factor of ten apart. Those can't both be viewed as successful hedges. Even within just the last generation, the low was a sixth the price of the high.

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I’m not much a believer in “resistance levels” and such TA nonsense, but if there was one at $3,000 it seems like we’ve punched through it.

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But what if the IRS gets disbanded? Could the US dollar go to zero, too? :ihih:

LOL!

The IRS isn’t really the point. The point is that US taxes, regardless of collecting mechanism or source, must be paid in US dollars, and the US government will discharge its obligations (salaries, procurement, Medicare, etc., etc.) in US dollars.

The dollar only holds value by government fiat, but its a pretty powerful government.
 
Since about 1851 the price of a top of the line pistol and an ounce of gold have almost always been the same (the pistols have consistently and significantly out performed the gold on increasing in value).
I remember reading the same thing about a top quality complete man's suit, over an even longer time scale.
 
I live a bit outside of Idaho's Silver Valley, home to north America's richest silver strikes. There are hundreds of abandoned mines there, and Lucky Friday may be the only one that stayed in operation through all of the ups and downs. But now with silver near an all-time high, it's surprising to me how many long abandoned mines are actively planning to re-open. I recall one manager being quoted as saying the lower 4000' was all flooded, but they were working to pump those levels out.

But miners have always been an optimistic lot.
 
Just noticed we're now more than halfway to $4,000/oz at $3,545.80!
I’ve had over 30% appreciation in value on my platinum holdings in the past 3 years, waiting for the gold/platinum ratio to get close to 1 so I can convert it to gold. My precious metals account manager said under the past trends, it should occur within the next couple of years but, he also said the way gold is behaving, there is a lot of uncertainty when that will occur. He said if I wanted some fast cash, consider selling a bit of platinum. However, he is personally waiting on the ratio to correct. I’m with him.
 
My precious metals account manager said under the past trends, it should occur within the next couple of years but, he also said the way gold is behaving, there is a lot of uncertainty when that will occur. He said if I wanted some fast cash, consider selling a bit of platinum. However, he is personally waiting on the ratio to correct. I’m with him.

Wow! Your account manager sure has a way with “weasel words”!

To paraphrase Bill O’Reilly, “Prices go up, prices go down. Nobody can explain it.”
 
Remember, it took 45 years for the price to recover from the 1930's bubble bursting. It took 30 years to recover from the 1980 bubble bursting. In 2000, gold had nearly half the value that it did in 1932.

The current bubble is the biggest ever. "Buyer Beware" would be a massive understatement.

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I bought 100 one ounce apmex silver singles to add to my silver stash for $14.95 early April 2020, I see silver is spot priced at $41.58 this morning. I think I’m going to break one of my personal rules and sell 30 of them today (first time ever selling silver, I have always just periodically bought it) The coin shop in the nearest city (where I have always just gone to buy) buys at close to spot price and the fleetfarm in the same town has a sale on last years inventory of snow blowers. The combination of a great return on the silver, the great price (value) on the old stock snowblower (that I need), and the assumption that they will not be getting cheaper with current inflation and tariffs affecting new stock merchandise to me justifies the sale. I really don’t like selling it and could pay cash instead, but I’ve seen silver spike and dive before, and I think it will adjust down in the relatively near future and I will use my cash to buy back more of it then.
 
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“You can never go broke taking a profit” - old Wall Street maxim.

Gentle reminder - there will be capital gains tax due on your profit, unless you have offsetting losses elsewhere.
Yeah, I'm very sympathetic to the rationality of buying and holding, rather than churning and letting to gov take a bite periodically. It's just so dang high right now!
 
Doesn’t that apply to any investment?!
Yes it does.

As the dollar continues to be debased and burned to the ground, holding gold once more seems like a very sensible thing to do. The same might just be true for bitcoin.
 
The value in the dollar is that the IRS requires you to pay it in dollar. Even if the US dollar crashes, you still owe the IRS x amount of dollars. It means that the US dollar will always have some value, it can't go to zero. Bitcoin can actually go to zero.
Well, the purchasing power of the dollar has lost what, 97% cent its inception? The odds of bitcoin going to zero seem remarkably low considering not just the adoption so far but the likely rate of adoption in the future. When you have clowns like BlackRock and the far more respectable Fidelity deep in bitcoin, you can quickly ascertain the direction it is going. I would add that all fiat currencies have had a limited life expectancy. Considering our rate of spending and debasement addiction, zero or virtually zero in real purchasing power seems quite possible. Buying gold rarely seems like a bad idea over most given periods of time. With bitcoin, I don't recommend it unless you can buy it with funds that you are quite certain you will not need for at least 4 years. The 4 year mark needs to be burned in your brain if you buy. If you do happen to need the money within any 4 year cycle--and things do happen---you can be caught in a brutal situation.
 
Considering our rate of spending and debasement addiction, zero or virtually zero in real purchasing power seems quite possible. Buying gold rarely seems like a bad idea over most given periods of time.
FWIW: In 2000 gold was worth nearly half what it was in 1932. Today it is in its biggest bubble ever.
 
FWIW: In 2000 gold was worth nearly half what it was in 1932. Today it is in its biggest bubble ever.
I’m pretty sure owning gold in the USA was against the law in 1932 (and was until the 1970’s?).
 
FDR made citizen ownership of gold illegal. When the ownership of gold became legal again, the price practically collapsed from about $400 to less than $200, as people got rid of their previously illegal gold. If they bought it in the '20's, they paid $400 for it.

Could that happen again? Certainly. So that world renowned hedge against paper money devaluing can be worthless for 40 years, or not. Such places as India and France, big believers in gold as an asset, it is hidden, not at a brokerage, so the tax man does not get a slice each year.

For all those years, they had an expensive asset that could not be sold or used to buy anything. One of my older co workers dumped his as fast as he could, before it lost any more value. I think he had a 10 ounce bar.
 
I took a few minutes to look it up,it was 1933 that all the gold certificate dollars were outlawed. In 1932 the dollar was fixed to gold at $20.67/ounce.. as in you could exchange $20.67 in your gold certificate dollars for one ounce of gold.. I am not seeing where the “$400/ounce” reference is coming from. The dollar was on the gold standard until Nixon…
 
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I took a few minutes to look it up,it was 1933 that all the gold certificate dollars were outlawed. In 1932 the dollar was fixed to gold at $20.67/ounce.. as in you could exchange $20.67 in your gold certificate dollars for one ounce of gold.. I am not seeing where the “$400/ounce” reference is coming from. The dollar was on the gold standard until Nixon…
That graph is adjusted for inflation. So it's a value graph, not a dollar graph.
 
I took a few minutes to look it up,it was 1933 that all the gold certificate dollars were outlawed. In 1932 the dollar was fixed to gold at $20.67/ounce.. as in you could exchange $20.67 in your gold certificate dollars for one ounce of gold.. I am not seeing where the “$400/ounce” reference is coming from. The dollar was on the gold standard until Nixon…
Correct. Convertibility ended with Nixon, out of economic necessity---on account of historically stupid spending decisions which continue to this day. Its absurd to me that some will still argue to buy US treasuries.
 
FWIW: In 2000 gold was worth nearly half what it was in 1932. Today it is in its biggest bubble ever.



1932-$20.69
1933-26.33
2000-$271

Anyone who thinks gold is in a bubble really might want to consider what many central banks are doing with gold---it is NOT retail driving the price. Gold is the barometer for the economy. The dollar has covid and its not looking good.
 
Anyone who thinks gold is in a bubble really might want to consider what many central banks are doing with gold---it is NOT retail driving the price.
Are you implying that only retail can cause a bubble?
Gold is the barometer for the economy.
To some degree, yes. So, what happens to the current price when people have confidence in the economy again?
 
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