Millennials

Timbeck2 said:
I think you are referring to the ATIS which is automated now. The only thing that gets "recorded" is something the software voice recognition doesn't recognize. Then is sounds like one of those answering machine messages "hello you have reached "Steve Johnson". We're sorry can't come to the ressphone right now..."
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Progress. :(
 
Funny thread. I'm a borderline millennial who can rebuild carbs and just sold a motorcycle to a millennial pilot that promptly adjusted the valves and had to tear the carbs down to make an adjustment.

You won't catch me with a landline phone in my hands though, and I seethe when people call me by phone at all. Learn to text, dammit!
 
Timbeck2 said:
A lot of the kids just starting out in clearance delivery like to sound cool and read it fast.
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I used to come across some ATC'ers with another skill: They'd delight in giving me a new heading and altitude, timed perfectly so that I have to roll out on the new heading, at the precise moment that I reach the assigned altitude, resulting in a three-axis acceleration guaranteed to induce vertigo — while I’m reaching for the radio to tune to the new freq he just assigned.

I bet if he keyed the mic a little early I’d hear him say, “Hey, Fred, watch this!”

:D
 
I treat texts similar to emails and do not always reply expeditiously. That really bothers some people. If it’s urgent, call. If I don’t answer, leave a voice mail. What I really find amusing is when I miss a call from someone and they don’t leave a messsge but will ask me later “didn’t you see that I called. Why didn’t you call me back?”. Really?
 
I have a "watch this" story.

When I was deployed to Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia I was in radar working PAR. We had a terrible fly problem there, so much that we had a contest to see who could kill the most. We even had our own flyswatters which we would mark with a sharpie to keep score. Anyway that radar didn't have foot switches so we had our normal headsets which we attached somewhere on our uniform. Some attached it to their breast pocket, some held it in their hand, I attached mine to my hip pocket. I was in the middle of a PAR run with a couple of F-15s when a fly landed on the screen next to me. I picked up my swatter, leaned over (which activated my PTT) and said to the controller next to me, "watch me kill this f***er."

Needless to say after that, I had some 'splainin to do.
 
SkyDog58 said:
I treat texts similar to emails and do not always reply expeditiously. That really bothers some people. If it’s urgent, call. If I don’t answer, leave a voice mail. What I really find amusing is when I miss a call from someone and they don’t leave a messsge but will ask me later “didn’t you see that I called. Why didn’t you call me back?”. Really?
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“Same reason I didn’t answer...it didn’t appear to be important.”
 
scottfromboston said:
Funny thread. I'm a borderline millennial who can rebuild carbs and just sold a motorcycle to a millennial pilot that promptly adjusted the valves and had to tear the carbs down to make an adjustment.

You won't catch me with a landline phone in my hands though, and I seethe when people call me by phone at all. Learn to text, dammit!
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No. I will not text you. There are far too many times when texting is impractical if not impossible. Driving, for one. Did you know that being on a cell phone while driving is banned on all US military bases as of the mid 2000s? Too many accidents.

I'd say that 95% of the time when I contact someone, a text is entirely insufficient to convey the information and the conversation. And far too time-consuming. I speak and listen many times faster than I text. So do most people.
 
I was at my daughter's house, she's a millennial. So she's ordering dinner for us from not Uber Eats but a similar outfit that will pick up food from any restaurant and bring it to your door. She's got an app on her phone and she's trying to look at menus and place the order, pushing "buttons" (I guess it's called "tapping" now) and I guess she was having a bit of trouble navigating around. Suddenly she says, "This is so much work."

Work? She gets to choose between Chinese, Italian, Indian, Thai-Vietnamese, etc., mess around on her cell for five whole minutes, and an hour later answer the door. That's what she has to do. I laughed at her and could not stop myself from saying people used to have to chop wood, light a fire, kill a chicken, pull up vegetables from the garden, make bread, churn butter, and so on, before they could eat a delicious meal.
 
Rushie said:
I laughed at her and could not stop myself from saying people used to have to chop wood, light a fire, kill a chicken, pull up vegetables from the garden, make bread, churn butter, and so on, before they could eat a delicious meal.
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My Mom grew up on a farm, this is exactly how dinners went, except the stove was coal fired. Even later (late 60's), after they had an electric range, the old stove was kept in the "back kitchen", and got fired up on Thanksgiving and other holidays to feed the clan.
 
Bill Jennings said:
My Mom grew up on a farm, this is exactly how dinners went, except the stove was coal fired. Even later (late 60's), after they had an electric range, the old stove was kept in the "back kitchen", and got fired up on Thanksgiving and other holidays to feed the clan.
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Two of our great Aunts lived in an farmhouse in the mountains of Virginia and cooked holiday meals on a wood stove. The milk was straight from the cow, cream on top and all. I can still remember their macaroni and cheese the best I've ever had. Globs of gooey cheese. Homemade raspberry ice cream from berries we picked. I don't know if there exists food that good anymore.
 
Rushie said:
Two of our great Aunts lived in an farmhouse in the mountains of Virginia and cooked holiday meals on a wood stove. The milk was straight from the cow, cream on top and all. I can still remember their macaroni and cheese the best I've ever had. Globs of gooey cheese. Homemade raspberry ice cream from berries we picked. I don't know if there exists food that good anymore.
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OK, this thread has already been hijacked. I grew up on a ranch in KS. We hauled hay in the summer, among other things. At least once we picked several ears of a neighbor's field corn (we were hauling for him), shucked it on the way home, and it went into boiling water within 15 minutes of being picked. Tasted even better than the sweet corn you could buy at the store because it was WAY fresher.

We'd also have mounds of mashed potatoes made from homegrown potatoes, along with home grown grass fed steak, home grown vegetables (usually green beans). The potatoes almost always had steak gravy. For dessert, sometimes we'd have homemade ice cream and homemade cherry pie.

My brothers and I were rail-thin despite everything we ate as we were on the go from breakfast to supper. The town kids would gain weight during the summer, and lose during the winter while playing sports. The farm kids would lose weight over the summer, and gain during the school year. This was all due to the different exertion levels between summer activities for town kids, and farm work. And I wouldn't trade growing up on a ranch for anything.
 
Timbeck2 said:
I have a "watch this" story.

When I was deployed to Prince Sultan Air Base in Saudi Arabia I was in radar working PAR. We had a terrible fly problem there, so much that we had a contest to see who could kill the most. We even had our own flyswatters which we would mark with a sharpie to keep score. Anyway that radar didn't have foot switches so we had our normal headsets which we attached somewhere on our uniform. Some attached it to their breast pocket, some held it in their hand, I attached mine to my hip pocket. I was in the middle of a PAR run with a couple of F-15s when a fly landed on the screen next to me. I picked up my swatter, leaned over (which activated my PTT) and said to the controller next to me, "watch me kill this f***er."

Needless to say after that, I had some 'splainin to do.
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Just catching up on this thread and caught this jewel. I choked on my drink from laughing.
 
Old guy here, give me a text any day. It’s already written down, I can’t lose it, and there is no dispute what was said. In my experience, way too much time is wasted listening to folks blather on who like to listen to themselves talk. (NOT referring to the tower)

If we have to have a conversation about something important, I’m just going to have to make a note and that’s just another waste of time. I wish Ground and Air Traffic Control could just text their instructions, then I wouldn’t have to read it back, just to confirm I’d heard it correctly. They would know I read the message, just like my wife does...
 
In my experience, talking is a lot faster than typing, unless you're a professional typist.
 
Crashnburn said:
In my experience, talking is a lot faster than typing, unless you're a professional typist.
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A simple question/answer is often better with text. A shopping list "Please pick up milk, spaghetti and pickles on your way home" is better in text.

A conversation with ideas back and forth, much faster verbally. Follow it with a text if you want to verify the understanding.

That's my position anyway.
 
maj75 said:
Old guy here, give me a text any day. It’s already written down, I can’t lose it, and there is no dispute what was said. In my experience, way too much time is wasted listening to folks blather on who like to listen to themselves talk. (NOT referring to the tower)

If we have to have a conversation about something important, I’m just going to have to make a note and that’s just another waste of time. I wish Ground and Air Traffic Control could just text their instructions, then I wouldn’t have to read it back, just to confirm I’d heard it correctly. They would know I read the message, just like my wife does...
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I can see using text for issuing an IFR clearance but not for other types of pilot controller comm. Texting is slower. If ATC were to use text, they could issue less instructions to fewer pilots in the given time. Plus other pilots would not hear what instructions were issued to the other pilots unless everyone receives the text. That would lead to less situational awareness. Then you would have the issue and associated costs of equipping all aircraft with text based transceivers. No thank you.
 
DutchRoller said:
I can see using text for issuing an IFR clearance but not for other types of pilot controller comm. Texting is slower. If ATC were to use text, they could issue less instructions to fewer pilots in the given time. Plus other pilots would not hear what instructions were issued to the other pilots unless everyone receives the text. That would lead to less situational awareness. Then you would have the issue and associated costs of equipping all aircraft with text based transceivers. No thank you.
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I think you're missing a few things. If I put my cell phone down on the flight plan, they text me my clearance and I read it back to them over the radio. The difference is, they don't have to tell me in the first place and I've already gotten it written down and hopefully plugged into my gps. I read it back and they tell me if it's correct, incorrect, or updated.

But doesn't that happen on the CD frequency? I don't know about you, but the length of time I spend on the clearance frequency is just enough to get the takeoff instructions before switching to ground. Not really losing anything.

But no, not for general communications. In the first place, texting doesn't work over a few thousand feet.
 
Timbeck2 said:
Plus it can't be recorded. Every ATC transmission is recorded.
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Texts are digital, so recorded for eternity and no chance of mishearing or being walked on by noise or other transmissions. If the computer generates the strip, it could just as easily transmit it.
 
Crashnburn said:
OK, this thread has already been hijacked. I grew up on a ranch in KS. We hauled hay in the summer, among other things. At least once we picked several ears of a neighbor's field corn (we were hauling for him), shucked it on the way home, and it went into boiling water within 15 minutes of being picked. Tasted even better than the sweet corn you could buy at the store because it was WAY fresher.
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My Dad took a friend to a favorite fishing spot on a remote river. He displayed his confidence in the fishing by first collecting some wood and starting a fire among the rocks on the riverbank and putting a frying pan on it. Then he stepped to the river, made a cast, retrieved a nice trout, cut off its head and cleaned out the guts and dropped it in the frying pan. It was still flopping around as it fried. Can't get fish any fresher than that.
 
Dan Thomas said:
My Dad took a friend to a favorite fishing spot on a remote river. He displayed his confidence in the fishing by first collecting some wood and starting a fire among the rocks on the riverbank and putting a frying pan on it. Then he stepped to the river, made a cast, retrieved a nice trout, cut off its head and cleaned out the guts and dropped it in the frying pan. It was still flopping around as it fried. Can't get fish any fresher than that.
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Those were the days. My oldest brother used to take me fishing like that in what were some pretty remote areas. Now the lakes are surrounded with expensive cottages and the streams are all catch & release.
 
-KLB- said:
Very few millennial have driven cars with carburetors. It has probably been 30 years since I drove a car with a carburetor. EFI often seems to go straight from running to not, without going through a rough running phase, so why should they understand it?
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Stick shift. Enough said.

scottfromboston said:
Funny thread. I'm a borderline millennial who can rebuild carbs and just sold a motorcycle to a millennial pilot that promptly adjusted the valves and had to tear the carbs down to make an adjustment.

You won't catch me with a landline phone in my hands though, and I seethe when people call me by phone at all. Learn to text, dammit!
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When I get some text or email that requires more than a few words in reply, I just pick up the phone and call. Conveys a lot more information a lot faster than text. Also conveys emotion - I was working for a company that did a lot of acquisitions and was periodically reviewed by antitrust authorities. A colleague sent me an email containing several of the "trigger words" that the antitrust folks would key on. Although the colleague meant no harm, my response was to call him and explain the facts of life - before the lawyers could get ahold of him. Message delivered.

Rushie said:
I was at my daughter's house, she's a millennial. So she's ordering dinner for us from not Uber Eats but a similar outfit that will pick up food from any restaurant and bring it to your door. She's got an app on her phone and she's trying to look at menus and place the order, pushing "buttons" (I guess it's called "tapping" now) and I guess she was having a bit of trouble navigating around. Suddenly she says, "This is so much work."

Work? She gets to choose between Chinese, Italian, Indian, Thai-Vietnamese, etc., mess around on her cell for five whole minutes, and an hour later answer the door. That's what she has to do. I laughed at her and could not stop myself from saying people used to have to chop wood, light a fire, kill a chicken, pull up vegetables from the garden, make bread, churn butter, and so on, before they could eat a delicious meal.
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And, of course, walk to school uphill both ways in a foot of snow. :D
 
SkyDog58 said:
I treat texts similar to emails and do not always reply expeditiously. That really bothers some people. If it’s urgent, call. If I don’t answer, leave a voice mail. What I really find amusing is when I miss a call from someone and they don’t leave a messsge but will ask me later “didn’t you see that I called. Why didn’t you call me back?”. Really?
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I guess we all have our thoughts about this, but nowadays, most people have their phones on them at all times, so there’s really no excuse why they can’t reply to a text or call back in a reasonable amount of time. It shouldn’t take days and days for anyone to get back to you, nobody is THAT busy!
 
Ryanb said:
I guess we all have our thoughts about this, but nowadays, most people have their phones on them at all times, so there’s really no excuse why they can’t reply to a text or call back in a reasonable amount of time. It shouldn’t take days and days for anyone to get back to you, nobody is THAT busy!
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No, but some of us refuse to be locked into the digital world 24/7. I’m not that busy but I’m also not on your schedule, but my schedule.
 
murphey said:
No, but some of us refuse to be locked into the digital world 24/7. I’m not that busy but I’m also not on your schedule, but my schedule.
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I don’t expect anyone to be on my schedule, but the average bear checks their phone atleast a couple of times a day. It doesn’t take but a minute or two at most to respond to a text.
 
I remember when people would go on vacation and might send a post card to friends and family. There was no expectation of a reply. Now folks on vacation or just being out and about town will send a text message with a picture and if you don’t reply they get upset. Makes little sense.
 
scottfromboston said:
Funny thread. I'm a borderline millennial who can rebuild carbs and just sold a motorcycle to a millennial pilot that promptly adjusted the valves and had to tear the carbs down to make an adjustment.
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Sounds like you’re a Millennial who *thinks* he can rebuild carburetors, who just sold a motorcycle with very poorly rebuilt carburetors. ;) Just sayin.
 
Dan Thomas said:
My Dad took a friend to a favorite fishing spot on a remote river. He displayed his confidence in the fishing by first collecting some wood and starting a fire among the rocks on the riverbank and putting a frying pan on it. Then he stepped to the river, made a cast, retrieved a nice trout, cut off its head and cleaned out the guts and dropped it in the frying pan. It was still flopping around as it fried. Can't get fish any fresher than that.
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Oh yeah? Well I had a chicken stand on my stove and lay an egg directly in a hot frying pan... ;)
 
My point was that the chicken I ate was fresher than any chicken that would roll in flour. So fresh it wasn't even born yet. :)
 
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