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I think you can tell if there is a member of the military in the room the same way you call tell if there's pilot in the room.

They'll tell you.
I was thinking about this recently. In a couple of months, I will have spent 3 out of the last 7 years in a combat zone, either as a member of the Army or as a contractor working with the Army. During the times when I'm back in the states, I sometimes realize that very few days go buy where I don't somehow bring up something to do with being in the military. I don't remember doing that when I got out of the Air Force a couple of decades + ago. Of course, I was in the Air Force in a non-pilot job during the cold war then, versus Army combat arms MOS recently, which probably has a lot to do with it.

Wonder when it will stop, and I'll go back to being just another civilian again?
 
There just seems to be a whole lot of people who see nothing wrong with being phony heroes. After the recent Supreme Court Ruling, it seems our government thinks it's OK as well.

I respectfully disagree. I don't think any of the justices were okay with it. Just that some of them think, as I do, that posers shouldn't do hard time for lying. It's absolutely not right, and it's disgraceful, but I don't think someone should be locked up, the bill footed by taxpayers, because some idiot boasts about having done things he didn't really do.
 
I hope military records continue to be very very difficult for the public to obtain.

there are way too many numbers in these records that evil doers could make bad use of.

serving your country, then your country gives away your identity, wouldn't be right.
 
There just seems to be a whole lot of people who see nothing wrong with being phony heroes. After the recent Supreme Court Ruling, it seems our government thinks it's OK as well.
Actually Congress adopted the Stolen Valor Act in 2006 but the Supreme Court found that it violated constitutional free speech rights. The Justices who were in the majority did not say that there is "nothing wrong" with being a phony hero. Much to the contrary.

"The nation well knows that one of the costs of the First Amendment is that it protects the speech we detest as well as the speech we embrace," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote in the court's main opinion, speaking for himself and three other justices.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/28/us-usa-military-medals-idUSBRE85R0VH20120628
 
I was thinking about this recently. In a couple of months, I will have spent 3 out of the last 7 years in a combat zone, either as a member of the Army or as a contractor working with the Army. During the times when I'm back in the states, I sometimes realize that very few days go buy where I don't somehow bring up something to do with being in the military. I don't remember doing that when I got out of the Air Force a couple of decades + ago. Of course, I was in the Air Force in a non-pilot job during the cold war then, versus Army combat arms MOS recently, which probably has a lot to do with it.

Wonder when it will stop, and I'll go back to being just another civilian again?

I do not think you will ever fully transition to full civilian. Once the military has been embedded, there will always be some thought, trait or ism that you will carry forever.

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I respectfully disagree. I don't think any of the justices were okay with it. Just that some of them think, as I do, that posers shouldn't do hard time for lying. It's absolutely not right, and it's disgraceful, but I don't think someone should be locked up, the bill footed by taxpayers, because some idiot boasts about having done things he didn't really do.
This is where I am. I don't think it's right, but this is (for now) a free country, and one of the freedoms we have is speech. And even lying is one of the things that falls under that freedom of speech that we all defended for the folks back home.

I hope military records continue to be very very difficult for the public to obtain.

there are way too many numbers in these records that evil doers could make bad use of.

serving your country, then your country gives away your identity, wouldn't be right.
:yeahthat:
 
If they call ships boats, ladders "steep stairways" and complain indignantly about the shortage of hot chicks on Adak, they were probably in the VP Navy.

Nope, no hot chicks on Adak the two times I went there TDY. Now, I understand that Diego Garcia was so bad that they sent their people to Adak for R&R. :D

No, I wasn't active duty, I went there as a civilian out of NAVELEX Vallejo back in the late 1970s.

I have my honorable discharge from the Army Reaserve, but never served active duty. Flunked my commissioning physical due to injuries from a car/motorcycle accident. I don't know if I'm eligible for any consideration, and I don't care. I didn't serve active, so as far as I'm concerned I'm not. Posers are to be pittied. Do something with your life and gain recognition for that.
 
Nope, no hot chicks on Adak the two times I went there TDY. Now, I understand that Diego Garcia was so bad that they sent their people to Adak for R&R. :D
No one dances at ADAK, they go to the club, drink, and wait for the earthquake.
 
No one dances at ADAK, they go to the club, drink, and wait for the earthquake.

I remember meeting some hollow-eyed blue dudes from Shemya in the club who thought liberty in Adak was paradise, guess it's all relative.

Hopmedic, VP stands for (V) fixed-wing, (P) patrol, our squadron flew P-3C antisubmarine warfare aircraft, the guys who dropped sonobouys on fast attacks leaving port during organized practices we called sub time.

They're converted 4-engine Lockheed L-188 Electra airliners, big turboprops that (sadly) are too large to trap on aircraft carriers, making them one of the Navy's few operational forces never deployed on ships. Fleet sailors thought we had it easy, and they were pretty much right.

One of my high school buddies was a career sub sailor (COB before he retired) and he really liked the fast attack community. Sounded like it was another part of the Navy that was a little different than the rest.
 
No one dances at ADAK, they go to the club, drink, and wait for the earthquake.

U gotta have some excitement :wink2: the problems is that the really big eq up there brings 100 meter waves . . .

@edmeis - were there ever slow-attack subs? bwaaaa
 
U gotta have some excitement :wink2: the problems is that the really big eq up there brings 100 meter waves . . .

@edmeis - were there ever slow-attack subs? bwaaaa

100 meter waves ????

MY God,, you'd have to grease them to get them thru a hatch.
 
No one dances at ADAK, they go to the club, drink, and wait for the earthquake.

Sounds like we have the same memories, just mine were at the O club. No hotels, so we stayed at the BOQ when TDY there.

And the eggs! My goodness, I can still taste them. And that is NOT a good thing. I don't know how long they'd be in storage, but you could taste them right through the pancake batter. It was almost enough to make you give up eating breakfast.
 
Today I met a young Lady that is a First Class Petty Officer in the USN, she was born AFTER I retired. I feel really old.
 
I remember meeting some hollow-eyed blue dudes from Shemya in the club who thought liberty in Adak was paradise, guess it's all relative.

Hopmedic, VP stands for (V) fixed-wing, (P) patrol, our squadron flew P-3C antisubmarine warfare aircraft, the guys who dropped sonobouys on fast attacks leaving port during organized practices we called sub time.

They're converted 4-engine Lockheed L-188 Electra airliners, big turboprops that (sadly) are too large to trap on aircraft carriers, making them one of the Navy's few operational forces never deployed on ships. Fleet sailors thought we had it easy, and they were pretty much right.

One of my high school buddies was a career sub sailor (COB before he retired) and he really liked the fast attack community. Sounded like it was another part of the Navy that was a little different than the rest.
Ah, thanks.

I was on a fast attack, but I don't have anything to compare it to. To me, it was boring. Drive around the arctic for 3 months, watch the movie every evening, drills, maintenance, watches.... Although looking back, I kind of wish I'd stayed with it. My life would be a lot different now.
 
It's always easier to pick out a poser if you served in the same branch and the same era but there aer signs to watch for. On war, the more someone tells big stories I think the less likely they were to have seen the horror of wa. Have two friends, both Marines. One says, "hey they are making a movie on Fallujah." Second. No thanks, I had a front row seat to the original."

I find losers tend to mess up stuff that those who served would never do. If wearing a uniform st a parade, something is out of order or doesn't fit. They especially mess up branches. USMC uniform with Army infantry badge or Army with Marine marksmanship badges. Recently there was a poser who said he was a Marine Chaplain. He was wearing USMC dress blues and a cross. Doesn't exist. Nsvy chaplains proudly serve Marines and wear USMC uniforms - EXCEPT - only a Marine can wear USMC blues. Navy would wear own blues.

Marines say Oorah and Soldiers Hooah. Navy can't figure what to say and I have no idea on USAF. I to know Soldier and Marine would not use mother's phrase unless purposely showing respect to other branch.

Just a few ideas. (Fighting kindle fire so apologies if I missed typos)

Just a few ideas
 
Ask him his DI's name. If he can't spit it out instantly he's fake.

I have a theory that if everyone who claimed they fought in Vietnam had actually done so, we would have outnumbered the NVA 30:1 :D
Yesterday I did this test on someone who I know is a VN vet. He couldn't remember his DI's name although he could describe what he looked like. Of course then I had to explain that this was a theory proposed by someone on an internet web board... :rofl:
 
It's always easier to pick out a poser if you served in the same branch and the same era but there aer signs to watch for. On war, the more someone tells big stories I think the less likely they were to have seen the horror of wa. Have two friends, both Marines. One says, "hey they are making a movie on Fallujah." Second. No thanks, I had a front row seat to the original."

I find losers tend to mess up stuff that those who served would never do. If wearing a uniform st a parade, something is out of order or doesn't fit. They especially mess up branches. USMC uniform with Army infantry badge or Army with Marine marksmanship badges. Recently there was a poser who said he was a Marine Chaplain. He was wearing USMC dress blues and a cross. Doesn't exist. Nsvy chaplains proudly serve Marines and wear USMC uniforms - EXCEPT - only a Marine can wear USMC blues. Navy would wear own blues.

Marines say Oorah and Soldiers Hooah. Navy can't figure what to say and I have no idea on USAF. I to know Soldier and Marine would not use mother's phrase unless purposely showing respect to other branch.

Just a few ideas. (Fighting kindle fire so apologies if I missed typos)

Just a few ideas

the war protesters during the VN era were anti war yet they would buy/wear military uniform garments.

that just didn't seem right to me.
 
Personally, I feel embarrassed at the undeserved complement if someone mistakes me for real military when I'm wearing a CAP flightsuit.

However the real embarrassment came one time when I was riding in a hotel elevator during a weekend CAP training at Santa Maria. That's near Vandenberg AFB. There was a tall well-dressed gentleman in civilian attire glaring at my shoulder. I didn't turn my head to look at it until after I got out of the elevator, but when I did, I saw that the velcro on the flap of my pen and pencil pocket had attached itself to the sewn on flag. (Of course, I immediately fixed it.) :redface:

I'm pretty sure THAT guy was real military!
 
you wouldn't know I was military in public social gatherings - opsec
 
I enlisted in the Navy to avoid the draft in 1970. I spent 4yrs and two months in the Navy. I extended the two months for second class P.O. I spent most of my time in a helicopter squadron. I served on three different carriers. I couldn't recite a general order if I had to. I vaguely remember getting gassed in boot camp. I sincerely doubt that I said any general orders when I ran out of there. I didn't especially like the Navy. I did my duty, got out, and moved on. Two good things about the Navy. I got to see the world, and I went to college on the GI Bill. I do remember my service number, which when I enlisted was different than my social security number.
 
Forgive me if I'm crossing into SZ territory with this, but...as an OIF veteran with my own personal feelings about military posers and how hot the tar should be for them, my thoughts have wandered into the realm of "free speech." How about I buy some police dress blues on 4th of July? Why the hell not? Some sorry prick who never stood a day shoulder to shoulder in uniform, let alone off in some foreign sliptrench can banter about in my uniform and lie through his sorry teeth about a load of crap he saw on CNN, so why can't I assume the same role as a police impersonator?
I never will. Because it IS WRONG. And police imposter's are thrown in bloody jail. Like this, with a hand on the back of the head:mad2:. This is not right; it isn't a slap, it's a downright KICK in the face a la Roadhouse (Roundhouse) to all my brethren, before and after.
Rant off.
 
You can dress up like a cop, they even sell badges, just better not try to make an arrest...
 
Another example as to why it needs to be illegal. These pukes are taking pictures of actual deceased soldiers and using them as their own , forging DD-214's, making false ID cards , and actually in come cases collecting VA benefits.


Another example of stolen valor recently outed.

http://guardianofvalor.com/danny-russell-crane/
 
Stolen Valor dot com is doing a good job of outing these fukwaffles .


http://www.stolenvalor.com/target.cfm?source=link&sort=order

Interesting stuff. I found this through one of the stories they link to:

...Larry Bailey, a retired SEAL from Chocowinity, N.C., estimates he and friends who are former SEALs have exposed 35,000 phonies through the years.

“There were about 500 SEALs that operated in Vietnam, and I’ve met all 20,000 of them,” Waterman joked.
​

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meet-the-men-who-expose-fake-navy-seals/
 
With the large number of OEF/OIF gets we have, I bet the number claiming it will be double in 20 years
 
Another example as to why it needs to be illegal. These pukes are taking pictures of actual deceased soldiers and using them as their own , forging DD-214's, making false ID cards , and actually in come cases collecting VA benefits.


Another example of stolen valor recently outed.

http://guardianofvalor.com/danny-russell-crane/
Defrauding the US Government is clearly illegal under existing laws.
 
Interesting stuff. I found this through one of the stories they link to:

...Larry Bailey, a retired SEAL from Chocowinity, N.C., estimates he and friends who are former SEALs have exposed 35,000 phonies through the years.

“There were about 500 SEALs that operated in Vietnam, and I’ve met all 20,000 of them,” Waterman joked.
​

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/meet-the-men-who-expose-fake-navy-seals/

No joke, it's getting so I can't wear my 7 Medals of Honor 80 Purple Hearts and 50 DFCs to parades anymore. :D
 
No joke, it's getting so I can't wear my 7 Medals of Honor 80 Purple Hearts and 50 DFCs to parades anymore. :D

I could care less about wearing them, but I sure would like to collect $700 per month plus whatever you get for 80 Purple Hearts!
 
remember the purple heart scene in 'Wedding Crashers' - that caused an uproar
 
It's always easier to pick out a poser if you served in the same branch and the same era but there aer signs to watch for. On war, the more someone tells big stories I think the less likely they were to have seen the horror of wa. Have two friends, both Marines. One says, "hey they are making a movie on Fallujah." Second. No thanks, I had a front row seat to the original."

I find losers tend to mess up stuff that those who served would never do. If wearing a uniform st a parade, something is out of order or doesn't fit. They especially mess up branches. USMC uniform with Army infantry badge or Army with Marine marksmanship badges. Recently there was a poser who said he was a Marine Chaplain. He was wearing USMC dress blues and a cross. Doesn't exist. Nsvy chaplains proudly serve Marines and wear USMC uniforms - EXCEPT - only a Marine can wear USMC blues. Navy would wear own blues.

Marines say Oorah and Soldiers Hooah. Navy can't figure what to say and I have no idea on USAF. I to know Soldier and Marine would not use mother's phrase unless purposely showing respect to other branch.

Just a few ideas. (Fighting kindle fire so apologies if I missed typos)

Just a few ideas
Well, you taught me something. I knew that corpsmen (not pronounced corpsemen) served with the Marines. I didn't have a clue that chaplains did. I also didn't know they wore Marine uniforms (and I assume by extension that the corpsmen do, as well). I also wouldn't have assumed that they would not wear the Marine blues if they wore their fatigues. Thanks.

I enlisted in the Navy to avoid the draft in 1970. I spent 4yrs and two months in the Navy. I extended the two months for second class P.O. I spent most of my time in a helicopter squadron. I served on three different carriers. I couldn't recite a general order if I had to. I vaguely remember getting gassed in boot camp. I sincerely doubt that I said any general orders when I ran out of there. I didn't especially like the Navy. I did my duty, got out, and moved on. Two good things about the Navy. I got to see the world, and I went to college on the GI Bill. I do remember my service number, which when I enlisted was different than my social security number.
You just made me remember... When I was in the gas chamber, it was my service number that I had to cite. And by 1986, when I was in boot, our service numbers were our SSNs.

Forgive me if I'm crossing into SZ territory with this, but...as an OIF veteran with my own personal feelings about military posers and how hot the tar should be for them, my thoughts have wandered into the realm of "free speech." How about I buy some police dress blues on 4th of July? Why the hell not? Some sorry prick who never stood a day shoulder to shoulder in uniform, let alone off in some foreign sliptrench can banter about in my uniform and lie through his sorry teeth about a load of crap he saw on CNN, so why can't I assume the same role as a police impersonator?
I never will. Because it IS WRONG. And police imposter's are thrown in bloody jail. Like this, with a hand on the back of the head:mad2:. This is not right; it isn't a slap, it's a downright KICK in the face a la Roadhouse (Roundhouse) to all my brethren, before and after.
Rant off.
What is OIF?
It is not illegal to DRESS as a police officer, but to IMPERSONATE one. I used to be a paramedic/firefighter. I had a police scanner in my car, and carried a legitimate badge. Once someone tried to cut me off, and I didn't let him. He was behind me, and started flashing his headlights, and wielded a badge. Knowing better since I carried my own badge, I called the police (yeah - had a cell phone back in 1993 - lol). I stayed on the line with the dispatcher while listening to police on the radio (I had a permit to have the scanner), and guided them to the guy. He had been following the guy in the truck that was in front of me, and didn't like that I'd gotten between them at a 4-way stop. He tried to pass me in a 30 mph no passing zone in front of the school that my kid was in, a kindergartener.

The guy evaded for a short time, doing a u-turn on a via-duct, but from my info, the police were able to find him. He had pulled into the bar he was meeting his friend at, threw the badge in the back of the friend's truck, and went inside. Police found the badge, which was some kind of Illiniois election official badge (we were in Porter, IN), and questioned him, and called the Illinois election people. They confiscated the badge, not because he broke the law, but because the Illinois people told them that he should no longer have their badge, that he had left that position long ago. I asked the police about impersonating an officer because he tried to get me to pull over, and they said that they could not charge him with that because I didn't pull over. Even though he had intent, he hadn't found a fool that would pull over, so they couldn't press it. And these officers weren't trying to get out of work. I knew them, and my brother was a cop in the next town as well, and they knew it. Their hands were tied. For whatever reason, a person has to actually BELIEVE (at least in IN at that time) that a person is an officer, before they can charge that person with impersonating one.

You can dress up like a cop, they even sell badges, just better not try to make an arrest...
Yup.
 
For whatever reason, a person has to actually BELIEVE (at least in IN at that time) that a person is an officer, before they can charge that person with impersonating one.


Yup.

I doubt that is the case. More likely is that they wouldn't have had a strong case trying to say the person was impersonating an officer simply because he was flashing his high beams.
 
I doubt that is the case. More likely is that they wouldn't have had a strong case trying to say the person was impersonating an officer simply because he was flashing his high beams.

Your right, you aren't impersonating one unless you tell someone you are or present credentials that a "reasonable person" would tend to believe that you are. (quick flash of a badge in person)

That "reasonable person" seems to be a catch phrase with some if not most courts.
 
Yes , the general orders is another way to catch them in a lie. depending on the service and if you remember them yourself ....


I will guard everything within the limits of my post , and quit my post only when properly relieved.

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I will obey my special orders and perform all of my duties in a military manner.

[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]I will report violations of my special orders, emergencies, and anything not covered in my instructions to the commander of the relief[/FONT].

The 11'th General Order for USMC is the one. Every Marine knows it. LOL
"I will walk my post from flank to flank and take no S&&t from any rank".
If they went through boot camp, they know it.
 
I could care less about wearing them, but I sure would like to collect $700 per month plus whatever you get for 80 Purple Hearts!

You can gladly have my 850/month, but you have to take the 6 screws, 2 plates and the artificial disc, associated limited mobility, muscle spasms and days of not being able to stand up straight that comes with that VA check.

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That is true , but doesn't mean it should be protected under freedom of speech.

Yes it should, freedom of speech exists to protect unpopular speech. That's why you can burn flags and crosses, say that you hate the president and the like.

I think that to pass yourself off falsely as a vet makes you scum, but you should be allowed to be scum if you so choose.
 
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