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Measles outbreak? Crap! I thought they said "Weasles"!

What the heck am I going to do with 100 traps?
 
Modern day outbreaks of entirely preventable diseases are a symptom of the idiocy that is steadily eroding the technical capabilities of our nation.
 
Back when I was a kid I don't recall measles as being a major BFD. I don't think I had it and I'm sure I got my shots but kids did get it.
 
I think weasel outbreaks are most likely caused by diminution within the ranks of their predators, combined with favorable breeding conditions.
 
FastEddieB said:
I think weasel outbreaks are most likely caused by diminution within the ranks of their predators, combined with favorable breeding conditions.
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Quit blasting Barry White albums with the convertible top down as you drive through the countryside and they won't breed so much.
 
Sac Arrow said:
Back when I was a kid I don't recall measles as being a major BFD. I don't think I had it and I'm sure I got my shots but kids did get it.
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I came down with the Red Measles when I was 6. Staying with Mom's parents while Mom and Dad were off celebrating their 10th wedding anniversary. As I recall, I was one sick kid. 104 fever, etc. My brother didn't get it, he got a shot while I was sick so he dodged it. As I recall, he was not happy about getting the shot. :D I don't recall being anywhere near as sick when I had the mumps or chickenpox when I was older.
 
Ghery said:
I came down with the Red Measles when I was 6. Staying with Mom's parents while Mom and Dad were off celebrating their 10th wedding anniversary. As I recall, I was one sick kid. 104 fever, etc. My brother didn't get it, he got a shot while I was sick so he dodged it. As I recall, he was not happy about getting the shot. :D I don't recall being anywhere near as sick when I had the mumps or chickenpox when I was older.
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I think I might have had chickenpox at some point, not sure. The worst I've ever been though is when I had dengue fever as a high schooler. I was running a fever so high that I was hallucinating, and I literally thought I was a helicopter in the process of being assembled for a several hour period.
 
Pretty funny huh? This is what happens when actors somehow gain credibility in society. If you're good looking and can lie convincingly on camera, you must be smart. I mean they're rich right? They must know what they're doing.
 
Henning said:
Pretty funny huh? This is what happens when actors somehow gain credibility in society. If you're good looking and can lie convincingly on camera, you must be smart. I mean they're rich right? They must know what they're doing.
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Brian Williams? ;)
 
If s scientists hadn't sold out their trust we wouldn't have this problem.
 
There are interesting sociological side-effects:

In my town, we have the State deaf school. It used to be a busy place, now it's really small, student-wise. Because of that school, we also have a large population of deaf (and Deaf) in the community.

A buddy of mine used his brother as an example of how things changed. His brother is deaf - but was born hearing. Until the MMR vaccine really took hold in the '60s, diseases like this caused a lot of the deafness in the US. Childhood vaccines against these diseases cut down, way down, on it. His brother is a little bit older than him (and me), and didn't get the vaccines because he just missed it. His age-group was one of the last to have a large presence in the deaf school, after that, the numbers started dropping a lot. Plus, the push to mainstream kids into regular public schools took a lot of students out, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine#mediaviewer/File:Measles_US_1944-2007_inset.png
 
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Here is a chart that shows the decline in measles with year. Not sure if it is credible, but it is interesting to say the least.

http://www.everythingbirthblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/measles-deaths-decline.jpg



Matthew said:
There are interesting sociological side-effects:

In my town, we have the State deaf school. It used to be a busy place, now it's really small, student-wise. Because of that school, we also have a large population of deaf (and Deaf) in the community.

A buddy of mine used his brother as an example of how things changed. His brother is deaf - but was born hearing. Until the MMR vaccine really took hold in the '60s, diseases like this caused a lot of the deafness in the US. Childhood vaccines against these diseases cut down, way down, on it. His brother is a little bit older than him (and me), and didn't get the vaccines because he just missed it. His age-group was one of the last to have a large presence in the deaf school, after that, the numbers started dropping a lot. Plus, the push to mainstream kids into regular public schools took a lot of students out, too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine#mediaviewer/File:Measles_US_1944-2007_inset.png
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steingar said:
Modern day outbreaks of entirely preventable diseases are a symptom of the idiocy that is steadily eroding the technical capabilities of our nation.
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Yes, but they also don't do a good job of convincing the anti-vaccine people they're wrong. Examples I've heard on NPR:

"The MMR vaccine has no side effects." Not true, even Tylenol has side effects

"You can't get a disease if you're vaccinated." Not true, no vaccine is 100% effective

Then there's the fact that the CDC schedule is provided as a one size fits all type, and doesn't account for many variables. Example: Hep B at birth? Not logical for 99+% of births.

So what happens? A number of people decide that it's easier just to not get any for their kids. Bad idea, but simply saying "You're a retard for not doing this" won't convince many.

Vaccines are good things, but to convince those who doubt it there will need to be a change of tone.
 
When we were kids, the neighborhood mothers used to have play parties when one kid got one of the childhood diseases, so we would all get it, get it over with, and get on with it.

Now you'd think people should be locked up for even thinking outside the lines of what the academics whine about all day.
 
Florida Cracker said:
When we were kids, the neighborhood mothers used to have play parties when one kid got one of the childhood diseases, so we would all get it, get it over with, and get on with it.

Now you'd think people should be locked up for even thinking outside the lines of what the academics whine about all day.
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The problem is many of these diseases can have adverse outcomes up to and including death. Children are far better off getting vaccines than getting over it all at once. Moreover, many are serious if caught by adults if they haven't been vaccinated or had the illness.
 
I do remember chicken pox used to be that way when I was a kid - there were people who would bring their kids around so they'd get it. It was less of a hazard to catch as a kid than as an adult, and if you got it at the right time, you didn't miss any school. Now with the CP vaccine, that's another one that's going away. But I don't know about intentionally exposing kids to measles back then - too many serious side effects.
 
FastEddieB said:
I think weasel outbreaks are most likely caused by diminution within the ranks of their predators, combined with favorable breeding conditions.
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Or keeping Pauly Shore amongst the breeding population
 
This thread reminds me of the Fawlty Towers where Manuel's pet rat gets loose. The old major is stalking the rat with a shotgun...

Major: Don't move. Vermin!

Basil: We haven't got any this week, Major. No Germans staying this week, Major.

Major: Shoot him for you.

Basil: Major, Not legal actually anymore. Murder.

Major: But they're animals, Fawlty.

Basil: Yes, still. Forgive and forget, eh?

Major: Forgive them?

Basil: Well pretend we do.

Major: But they spread disease, Fawlty. He was sitting there! On that table, eating a lunch, if you please.

Basil: [to himself] He's really gone this time.

Major: [Holding hands apart] About that size. [Spreads hands further] That with the tail.
 
steingar said:
The problem is many of these diseases can have adverse outcomes up to and including death. Children are far better off getting vaccines than getting over it all at once. Moreover, many are serious if caught by adults if they haven't been vaccinated or had the illness.
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The mommy lobby has infiltrated every facet of life.

No Risks!

No Risks!

Something might happen and the world will end.

All risk must be legislated away, or else!
 
steingar said:
The problem is many of these diseases can have adverse outcomes up to and including death. Children are far better off getting vaccines than getting over it all at once. Moreover, many are serious if caught by adults if they haven't been vaccinated or had the illness.
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The only one I remember where everybody just got it over with when it came to town was Chicken Pox, because they wanted the exposure young, and I don't think there was an inoculation for it, or I surely would have had it. They didn't do anything special, but they just made you go to school sick lol.

BTW all you adults out there who are coasting on your childhood vaccinations, you may want to give your doc a call. Not all of them are good forever, especially if you never get further cultural exposure. Seamen, we get refreshers tween 10 and 20 years depending on which vaccine.

Last batch I had to finish the followups for rabies and Japanese Encephalitis on the boat. The crew was balking until I did my 2 first in my leg and called "Who's next?":lol: Can't really fuss to much after that.
 
One of the shortcomings of the US education system is that it does a very poor job of teaching critical thinking skills. That's unfortunate in many ways - it leads to the kind of behavior we see in the measles outbreak as well as suboptimal workplace performance. But good critical thinking skills also mean that people will be more likely to hold others accountable for their actions & behavior....
 
I suspect the measels outbreak has FAR MORE to do with obama's illegal immigration policies and nothing to do with parents and inoculations.
 
Florida Cracker said:
I suspect the measels outbreak has FAR MORE to do with obama's illegal immigration policies and nothing to do with parents and inoculations.
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If the parents had their kids inoculated, how do you think they got infected?:dunno: Do you realize the vaccination rate in Central America is higher than in the US?
 
Florida Cracker said:
When we were kids, the neighborhood mothers used to have play parties when one kid got one of the childhood diseases, so we would all get it, get it over with, and get on with it.

Now you'd think people should be locked up for even thinking outside the lines of what the academics whine about all day.
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Usually I just roll my eyes, maybe with a little smirk, when FC starts a diatribe.

But this kind of thinking actually leads to dead children. Or ones rendered impaired or crippled or sterile. "Outside the lines" thinking is what leads to outbreaks like this, and it's unlikely to be the last. And so tragically avoidable with just a modicum of common sense.

Too bad some innocents are paying for the lack of critical thinking skills of their parents.

But good to know FC and Jenny McCarthy are on the same page.

Florida Cracker said:
I suspect the measels outbreak has FAR MORE to do with obama's illegal immigration policies and nothing to do with parents and inoculations.
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And that's simply deranged.
 
Henning said:
If the parents had their kids inoculated, how do you think they got infected?:dunno: Do you realize the vaccination rate in Central America is higher than in the US?
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I'd expect that, Central America has more diseases still. One reason for decreased immunizations is some parents view the risk of disease as very small. And it still is here, even with the "outbreaks" we're seeing.

But immunizations aren't 100% effective, which is why we've seen vaccinated kids start outbreaks.
 
Florida Cracker said:
I suspect the measels outbreak has FAR MORE to do with obama's illegal immigration policies and nothing to do with parents and inoculations.
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FastEddieB said:
And that's simply deranged.
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I wouldn't blame Obama on this one, but the diseases do tend to come in from other countries.

The catch is, if the population exposed to the disease doesn't have some immunity, outbreaks happen. So it's a pair. No disease, no need for vaccination. Once polio is considered officially wiped out from the world then expect the polio vaccine to go away after a decade or two.
 
Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe said:
That would rank up there with convincing people that there are no chemtrails.
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I probably have more exposure to the people who are targeted in this debate than you and most others on this thread, since I actually have kids that are in the vaccine age range and I have a number of friends who also have kids in that age range. I have friends who are on all sides of the spectrum from "No vaccines at all! They're evil!" up to "The CDC schedule is AWESOME!!!! MORE IS BETTER!!!!"

But in reality many of the parents I know are in the middle, and they're frustrated with the fact that the CDC's recommendations are strictly one-size-fits-all (not correct) and aren't even very well optimized. Here's the current CDC schedule, for those who haven't looked at it (I'm assuming that's virtually all of the people posting):

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/parents/downloads/parent-ver-sch-0-6yrs.pdf

Hep B at birth. What? Why would I want to give my infant a vaccine for what's effectively an STD that I don't have? Yes, it absolutely makes sense to get, but when the child gets older and risk of infection would go up.

Then 2 months, 4 months, 6 months are 5 or potentially 6 shots, including DTaP which is a combination vaccine (that means getting 7-8 immunizations in one day). From an engineering standpoint, this is a bad idea. A vaccine on a child is an experiment to some degree because while the side effects are documented, you don't know which side effects will impact which kids. Give a kid 5 vaccines in one sitting and if there's a problem, you have no idea which one caused it. Now instead of eliminating that vaccine you're eliminating all of them because you just don't know which one caused the reaction.

So now if you look at this, see that it's not ideal, and want to optimize this better, you have to do it yourself. Great. Because parents didn't have enough to do between changing diapers, taking care of the house, going to work, and everything else related to survival with a small child. Did I mention doing it all while sleep-deprived?

What happens then? Some moderates look at the fact that rates of infection in this country are still extremely low and say "Screw it, I'm just not bothering." Then you have people like one friend of mine whose son actually did have a very severe reaction to one vaccine, and after that they just said "No more." Basically they felt they were lied to in many degrees regarding the schedules, and wondered what else they'd been lied to about. Otherwise very smart people, by the way.

You don't have to believe me, but that's what's happening. I see it from friends every day. How are you going to change it? Well, sure as hell won't do it by saying those people are retards for not following the CDC schedule.
 
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Florida Cracker said:
I suspect the measels outbreak has FAR MORE to do with obama's illegal immigration policies and nothing to do with parents and inoculations.
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You seem out of touch with how many yuppie white suburban science-dissing mommies there are out there.

For chrissake, it's not Obama's immigration policies. It's because Obama invented measles.
 
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Yes, the cases are imported, but only few of them from central america.

This is from the CDC report on last years outbreaks:



Of the 288 cases, 280 (97%) were associated with importations from at least 18 countries. The source of measles acquisition could not be identified for eight (3%) cases. Forty-five direct importations (40 U.S. residents returning from abroad and five foreign visitors) have been reported. Almost half (22 [49%]) of these importations were travelers returning from the Philippines, where a large outbreak has been occurring since October 2013. Imported cases were also associated with travel from other countries in the World Health Organization (WHO) Western Pacific Region (seven cases), as well as countries in the WHO South-East Asia (eight), European (four), Americas (three), and Eastern Mediterranean (one) regions. Measles genotype information was obtained from 103 (36%) of the 288 measles cases. Four measles virus genotypes were identified: B3 (67 cases), D9 (23), D8 (12), and H1 (one) (Table).

Most of the 288 measles cases reported this year have been in persons who were unvaccinated (200 [69%]) or who had an unknown vaccination status (58 [20%]); 30 (10%) were in persons who were vaccinated. Among the 195 U.S. residents who had measles and were unvaccinated, 165 (85%) declined vaccination because of religious, philosophical, or personal objections, 11 (6%) were missed opportunities for vaccination, and10 (5%) were too young to receive vaccination (Figure).
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In the three largest outbreaks of 2014, which account for over a half of all cases this year, transmission occurred after introduction of measles into communities with pockets of persons who were unvaccinated because of philosophical or religious beliefs.


http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6322a4.htm

Note, the cases listed as 'Americas' were from Canada, Chile and Brasil.
 
FastEddieB said:
I thought this was about weasels!



If it's about vaccines, Penn & Teller tell it like it is:



http://youtu.be/RfdZTZQvuCo
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I was about to post that video. Pretty much dumbs it down to where even an anti-vaxxer can understand it. But just like conspiracy theorists, there will always be some way to justify the tin foil hat.
 
Measles???

No need to worry about the non immunization folks....their kids will survive just like we all did with chickenpox.

Just wait till Polio rears its ugly head for the non immunization wackos!!!

That's gonna leave a mark.
 
TEFLONSEAN said:
Measles???

No need to worry about the non immunization folks....their kids will survive just like we all did with chickenpox.

Just wait till Polio rears its ugly head for the non immunization wackos!!!

That's gonna leave a mark.
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Oyyy, if Polio comes back, that would be tragic. I know the guy that was the last case of polio in the US. He considers himself lucky that it only gamed up one leg, my uncle was in a wheel chair for life and had trouble with his hands too.
 
Florida Cracker said:
The mommy lobby has infiltrated every facet of life.

No Risks!

No Risks!

Something might happen and the world will end.

All risk must be legislated away, or else!
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Do you wear shoulder harnesses in our car? Oh, heavens, where's the risk! Do you do a careful preflight of your aircraft? Where's the risk?

Sorry, it is plain old stupid to take a risk you don't need, unless that risk gives you some sort of special satisfaction. I admit riding motorcycles and flying aircraft are risk prone activities, but they bring with them pleasure and satisfaction. I fail to see the pleasure and satisfaction of foregoing vaccines. All I really see are people getting sick who really don't have to. And if you are really in favor of that I doubt strongly you'll have the sympathies of many, especially those who have or have had children. I can't imagine the parent who wants their children to be ill.
 
There is a risk reward balance, but the great legislated safety situation is really proving out to be counter productive to the future of the species. It's is causing a failure in the evolutionary process.
 
Henning said:
Pretty funny huh? This is what happens when actors somehow gain credibility in society. If you're good looking and can lie convincingly on camera, you must be smart. I mean they're rich right? They must know what they're doing.
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I'm not sure Jenny McCarthy's idiocy caused this outbreak. On the other hand, a president letting 90,000 undocumented, unvaccinated illegal alien children into the country might just cause an epidemic.
 
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