Longest plane ever

I think it is a mistake. There is no need to fly fast enough for drag reasons to encase the turbine blades.
Also, I think 3D printing is advancing faster than this will be built and will recover the investment. 3D for home construction is already moving toward portable "factories" in concept; so there is some R&D money which can be partially leveraged to solve the local construction problems.

Tim
 
I mean, they already have the Osprey as a prototype...
You aren't lying. At an air show a couple of years ago my kid and I used the shadow of one of the props on a static display Osprey as shade during the Thunderbirds performance.
 
Wind generators of that size could poke out the top of Class G airspace…will they need ADS-B on the blade tips? And will they have right of way over Part 108 drones?

It’s an interesting concept/exercise, though.
 
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Wind generators of that size could poke out the top of Class G airspace…will they need ADS-B on the blade tips? And will they have right of way over Part 108 drones?

It’s an interesting concept/exercise, though.
I think you were joking, but just in case: There are tons of manmade buildings, towers, etc that are taller than Class G. Nothing new here.
 
Wind generators of that size could poke out the top of Class G airspace…will they need ADS-B on the blade tips? And will they have right of way over Part 108 drones?
I had never thought of that so I looked it up. The tallest wind generators are currently just shy of 1,200'.
 
In NIMBY land, the costs are very much higher, as they are planned to be installed well off shore, avoiding there being any neighbors.

The foundations in sandy bottoms, and deep water cost more than the turbines. Labor cost to build these out, and later service them is hugely higher.

Politicians who wished to go green offered free money (Subsidies) to provide incentive to build these farms. Some free money was as much as half the installed cost.

Most of that free money was terminated this year, and the projects were cancelled, due to lack of alternate funding. The manufacturers are now searching worldwide to find partners to use the turbines that were canceled.

Yes, as Doc Holliday says, the market for wind has died. The death is not permanent, as the real question is finding good wind and nearby consumption.


Compared to solar, wind has desirable 'flywheel' effect, which stabilizes the system they are connected to.

The icing issues are much the same as airplanes, an inconvenience, requiring on the ground and on the airplane equipment, but readily dealt with.

Texas famously thought that they did not have enough possibility of serious ice to spend the money for prevention. That was a political mistake, not an industry failure.
 
Alberta, Canada, has a lot of wind farms. As of this moment, this is what the outputs look like.

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MC is Maximum Capacity. That would be nameplate capacity. TNG is Total Net Generation at the moment for the particular wind farm. DCR is dispatchable contingency power.

The total capacity is 5684 MW, and currently 161 MW is being produced. That is 2.8% of capacity. This is far too common, and frequently it falls to below 1%, sometimes even dropping to practically nothing. The TNG columns reads zero pretty much from top to bottom.

The reason for such dismal performance is this:

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The three provinces there, left to right, are Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba. There's a high over central Alberta and another over the Rockies. Note the distances between the isobars: that tells the whole story as to why there is so little wind. There have been days where the isobars are separated by three whole provinces. The air is totally still other than for thermal activity.

In the summer this means no wind energy for air conditioning, and it means a clear sky that lets the sun drive temperatures way up. In the winter it also means a clear sky, but the sun isn't warming much because it is so low in the south, and what heat does accumulate radiates off into space through that clear night sky. No wind on really cold days, so no heat. Alberta shut down nearly all their coal-fired powerplants and now they're sometimes scrambling to buy power from BC (hydroelectric) or from Saskatchewan (coal-fired) or from the US like Montana or Idaho (often coal-fired, probably more often hydroelectric).

The turbines get shut down when the temp goes below -30°C (-22°F). The blades get too brittle. High winds also mean shutdowns, and the prairies here get some pretty strong winds at times. When these things shut down in the cold, grid power is used to heat the nacelles to keep everything from seizing up in the cold. That never seems to show up on the charts.

So since they can't rely on wind, they need some other sources not affected by weather. On the Prairies, away from the Rockies, there is so little fall to any river that hydro is rare. Since there is a lot of coal, that was the standby until they started shutting it down. They're talking nuclear now, and should have been doing that a long time ago. The environmental lobby has held up any development of nuclear for a long time, but now, as electricity prices skyrocket and blackouts are threatening, they're pretty quiet. A blackout on a really cold day here is nothing to laugh at.
 
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I haven’t researched, but I have often wondered what the results will be from stealing energy from the wind. There is no free lunch, will this result in climate change of some type?
 
... There is no free lunch, will this result in climate change of some type?

entropy rules. An important consideration is how long it will take. :-/
 
I haven’t researched, but I have often wondered what the results will be from stealing energy from the wind. There is no free lunch, will this result in climate change of some type?

Negative effects towards wildlife.
 
Texas famously thought that they did not have enough possibility of serious ice to spend the money for prevention. That was a political mistake, not an industry failure.

The majority of the 2021 Texas blackout was because of the natural gas wells freezing, not because of frozen wind farms.

 
Groundpounder is correct that the wind turbines were not the main ingredient of the massive power shortage,

My point was that they did not need to be any part of it. Ice prevention and automatic deicing would have prevented the wind from being part of the event, rather than part of the base generation that continued.

The whole picture was very complicated.
 
Groundpounder is correct that the wind turbines were not the main ingredient of the massive power shortage,

My point was that they did not need to be any part of it. Ice prevention and automatic deicing would have prevented the wind from being part of the event, rather than part of the base generation that continued.

The whole picture was very complicated.
Part of that equation is cost. Wind (and solar) are not base load sources. Does it make sense to spend tons of money upgrading the wind turbines to run during very infrequent ice storms? The practical answer is, no.

Not hardening the gas plants, however, was clearly a mistake.


Negative effects towards wildlife.
It's always a matter of degrees. Wind power is vastly less harmful to wildlife than climate change. Or, heck, even cats. Domestic cats kill approx a thousand times more birds every year than wind turbines. And cats don't even produce electricity!
 
It's always a matter of degrees. Wind power is vastly less harmful to wildlife than climate change. Or, heck, even cats. Domestic cats kill approx a thousand times more birds every year than wind turbines. And cats don't even produce electricity!

Really? :rolleyes:

It’s really too bad we can’t really discuss this here on this forum.
 
Yep, really. It's so obviously impractical that no one has even bothered to try to generate electricity from cats. They are notoriously untrainable and lazy. Not sure why that would be controversial.

Yea, I’m not taking the bait. But lame try. ;)
 
Part of that equation is cost. Wind (and solar) are not base load sources. Does it make sense to spend tons of money upgrading the wind turbines to run during very infrequent ice storms? The practical answer is, no.

Not hardening the gas plants, however, was clearly a mistake.



It's always a matter of degrees. Wind power is vastly less harmful to wildlife than climate change. Or, heck, even cats. Domestic cats kill approx a thousand times more birds every year than wind turbines. And cats don't even produce electricity!
I believe we should harness the cats' potential and force them onto treadmills to generate electricity.
 
I believe we should harness the cats' potential and force them onto treadmills to generate electricity.

Convert turds to methane and use that to run gas turbine generators to convert peak demand periods.
 
Part of that equation is cost. Wind (and solar) are not base load sources. Does it make sense to spend tons of money upgrading the wind turbines to run during very infrequent ice storms? The practical answer is, no.

Not hardening the gas plants, however, was clearly a mistake.



It's always a matter of degrees. Wind power is vastly less harmful to wildlife than climate change. Or, heck, even cats. Domestic cats kill approx a thousand times more birds every year than wind turbines. And cats don't even produce electricity!
1759250968775.png Cats could produce electricity!
 
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