Lock your plane

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  1. cgrab

    cgrab Pattern Altitude

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    Didn't see this anywhere else.

    US issues hacking security alert for small planes
    https://www.apnews.com/6219f26c3ea145b6b29b5e69115504a9

    "The cybersecurity firm, Rapid7, found that an attacker could potentially disrupt electronic messages transmitted across a small plane’s network, for example by attaching a small device to its wiring, that would affect aircraft systems."

    Or they could just steal the plane.
     
  2. cgrab

    cgrab Pattern Altitude

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    OK, found it, nevermind
     
  3. frfly172

    frfly172 Touchdown! Greaser! PoA Supporter

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    In the last break in,at KASH they damaged the doors of the aircraft.
     
  4. sourdough44

    sourdough44 Pattern Altitude

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    Yes, and most of the standard door locks are of minimal deterrent. I worry more on the road, parked outside.
     
  5. Finnelly

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    There are about 6 keys that will open any plane.

    Dan
     
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    What network on a small plane? Electronic distruption of vacuum system? Of pitot-static system?
     
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  7. PeterNSteinmetz

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    Apparently the CAN bus is susceptible. What kind of small planes use that?
     
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    Some Garmin avionics (e.g. the G5) use CAN bus for communication between themselves. See page 29

    http://static.garmin.com/pumac/190-01112-10_13.pdf

    On a larger level, turbofan aircrafts' (private jets and up) FADECs often use CAN bus to communicate between the left and right engines' FADECs to do cross-checks and what not.
     
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    Dynon uses CAN for all inter-device communication. They have an ARINC adapter...
     
  10. Palmpilot

    Palmpilot Touchdown! Greaser!

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    "Key to open a plane"? What's that?
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    Ron Wanttaja
     
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    Palmpilot Touchdown! Greaser!

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    I like the "FUN" gauge!
     
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    Those damn Canadians. I always thought that was the border that was the real security threat. The President should close it to those maple leaf clad busses.
     
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    Who secures their plane anyway, I mean if you aren’t a criminal what do you have to hide? /sarcasm
     
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    If they hack my CAN bus I guess I'll have to look out the window...
     
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    What if they hack your window?
     
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    Art Rose Pre-takeoff checklist

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    When someone mentions small aircraft, I naturally think about something like a 172, or a Cherokee. None of these small aircraft are complicated enough to have networked controllers. This supposed security alert is a bit over the top. Is this perhaps AP fake news?

    This reminds me of the hacking alert garbage generated every now and again about how vulnerable our power stations, or our industrial facilities, are to cyber attack. Anyone who has half a clue as to how these systems are designed and installed, knows the majority of the ignorance they spew to the public is not based on fact. One simple fact is that the great majority of our older systems, (the ones they always say are so vulnerable) have no outside access. The only way to access anything in these systems is through direct access. Good luck with that. Aint gonna happen on a broad enough scale to cause a major disruption. More rabble rousing to stir the public.

    For a (true) small aircraft, the easy and simple solution to avoid major damage to the aircraft is to leave the doors unlocked. If someone is going to steal from the cabin, or steal your gas, whatever, it's normally going occur when there's the least amount of chance of discovery. Won't matter how much noise, or how long it takes to rip open a door, or to siphon some gas. Bring your easy to remove valuable stuff with you to the hotel. I'd much rather have a hole or two in the panel than an aircraft with busted windows or torn metal.
     
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    That is a network coupler, used for adding additional devices to the network. Those 9-pin connectors include the two CAN wires as well as audio, serial data and power. The way the data sources are assigned to the pins is proprietary, but nothing is unique to the Dynon implementation of the CAN standard. CAN is an open standard.

    When I spoke to the Dynon engineers at the Zenith Open House last year, they showed me how it all works under the hood. I like it much more than the way Garmin does it.
     
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    Ah, so they're hiding the CAN bus behind their own branding.
     
  21. BigBadLou

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    To hack this airplane, you'd need a hacksaw.
    They can try to hack my airplane. Whatever. I am so scared that my altimeter might get a virus, I won't sleep tonight. :D
     
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    Peter Anderson Pre-takeoff checklist

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    Security researchers: Hey this is thing that could conceivably be done.

    Government official: Hmm, looks like it's hypothetically possible. Better issue a warning just in case.

    News media: HACKERS! TERRORISM! AIRPLANES! WE'RE ALL GOING TO DIE, BE AFRAID.

    Clueless old people: AIRPLANES AREN'T SAFE I BETTER WARN MY GRANDKIDS TO GUARD THE CESSNA!