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Sounds like the young guy got told to go patrol out in the boonies, similar to the guy I got recently in that "maybe marked properly" work zone. He mostly just seemed bored and surprised anyone treated him politely after giving out tickets all day on a chunk of county road that nobody cares about except once a decade when there's a road crew doing something on it. Even if they'd already packed up and went home for the day. :)

Yes, I remember your story. In this case there was a fatal car wreck that occurred on that road, about a week prior. I'm sure the city cops have been instructed to patrol (or park on) that road for a while in an attempt to get folks to slow down a bit. Speed limit signs have been posted out there on a stretch of road that has never had a speed limit , but most of that speed zone isn't under any city's jurisdiction, so most folks don't pay any attention to the signs. So the Alex, OK city cops started patrolling the part of the road that falls under their jurisdiction, but there is no signage to indicate where their city limit is. I saw the cop from literally a mile away, sitting on top of a hill. I didn't think a thing of it, and never looked down at the speedo or slowed down. I just scooted over and waved as I passed by the policeman. I was just cruising down the road at moderate speed like I do every day on my way home from work. I honestly hadn't even noticed the new speed limit sign that had been posted up the road.

Frcabot is right - this is the law right now.

http://www.oklegislature.gov/osStatuesTitle.aspx

Thank you! I'll get that taken care of. Perhaps the cops should mention that you can go present a renewed license and have the citation dismissed, instead of saying they could put you in jail for it. :yes:
 
The amendment has to do with adding a section about motorcycle licenses. Interestingly, they are also entitled to dismissal, but only WITH payment of court costs.
 
After 1/1/16, why bother getting a license renewed in OK. If you get caught, get it renewed before court date.
 
In most states your license plates need to be renewed yearly. When I do that, I always check my driver license to see if it needs to be renewed and take care of it at the same time. Simple.
 
Do those that forget to renew their license also forget to renew their medical? My medical never comes out of my wallet, my drivers license does quite often.
 
Yes, I remember your story. In this case there was a fatal car wreck that occurred on that road, about a week prior. I'm sure the city cops have been instructed to patrol (or park on) that road for a while in an attempt to get folks to slow down a bit. Speed limit signs have been posted out there on a stretch of road that has never had a speed limit , but most of that speed zone isn't under any city's jurisdiction, so most folks don't pay any attention to the signs. So the Alex, OK city cops started patrolling the part of the road that falls under their jurisdiction, but there is no signage to indicate where their city limit is. I saw the cop from literally a mile away, sitting on top of a hill. I didn't think a thing of it, and never looked down at the speedo or slowed down. I just scooted over and waved as I passed by the policeman. I was just cruising down the road at moderate speed like I do every day on my way home from work. I honestly hadn't even noticed the new speed limit sign that had been posted up the road.


Ah yes. The "there was a wreck here so we had better give out some tickets" role. Have seen that reactionary State nannyism before.

Then people go right back to driving whatever speed they want to in those places, as soon as the revenue generation moves on to somewhere else. Totally normal.
 
I manage to get a ticket about once every four to six years. When I do, before my appearance date I write the court a letter explaining I suffered a momentary lapse in judgement, extol my previously unblemished driving record, apologize profusely for breaking the law, and promise to be more attentive in the future.

Then I ask the judge to consider taking the matter under deferred adjudication, with a suggestion that the violation be dismissed if I do not commit another infraction for ninety days.

Now this is standard stuff, and you can go to court and do the same thing. However, I have found that asking for DA via mail before the court date has always resulted in a return letter from the judge agreeing to my request.

The important difference in doing this instead of appearing is that for some reason the court has not imposed "administrative costs" for the deferred adjudication, and I get off without paying what is usually a pretty stiff fine. This saves around $150 based on what some friends have paid in court proceedings. Another plus is that I don't have to bother with appearing in person.

I've done this about four times, and it's always worked. Dunno why, but it's better than the alternative.
 
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Show up in court with a valid license. No worries
 
In most states your license plates need to be renewed yearly. When I do that, I always check my driver license to see if it needs to be renewed and take care of it at the same time. Simple.

KS is goofy about that.

License plates get renewed annually, based on the first letter of your last name. A = Jan, Z=Dec, and the rest are spaced pretty much evenly.

DLs expire on your birthday.
 
Well, the court date was today. Here's how it went:

The judge yelled at me, nothing got dismissed, and the tickets and court costs were $490. If I had just paid the tickets before court, it would have cost me $290. Lesson learned.

I've never seen such an unprofessional, arrogant, a-hole of a judge in my life. This dude was Judge Judy with a bald head. It was humiliating, and had we not been at the police department, and he not been a judge, I would have beat his ass. And I have never beat anyone's ass. It was that bad.
 
Well, the court date was today. Here's how it went:

The judge yelled at me, nothing got dismissed, and the tickets and court costs were $490. If I had just paid the tickets before court, it would have cost me $290. Lesson learned.

I've never seen such an unprofessional, arrogant, a-hole of a judge in my life. This dude was Judge Judy with a bald head. It was humiliating, and had we not been at the police department, and he not been a judge, I would have beat his ass. And I have never beat anyone's ass. It was that bad.

Come on, homie....make this a learning experience (for us, anyway)...

Why did the judge yell at you? What did you say? How did everything progress? i've been to traffic court before and have seen judges lay into certain people. To be honest, I can't say that they didn't deserve it.

Details man, we want DETAILS!
 
Well, the court date was today. Here's how it went:

The judge yelled at me, nothing got dismissed, and the tickets and court costs were $490. If I had just paid the tickets before court, it would have cost me $290. Lesson learned.

I've never seen such an unprofessional, arrogant, a-hole of a judge in my life. This dude was Judge Judy with a bald head. It was humiliating, and had we not been at the police department, and he not been a judge, I would have beat his ass. And I have never beat anyone's ass. It was that bad.

Small-town judges can be pretty cantankerous, especially toward self-represented defendants (though lots of judges don't like pro-se folks). Many times that can be avoided by hiring a well-known local attorney to handle it.
 
Okay, okay. I got called up to the bench. He asked what my driving record looked like. I wasn't expecting that question, and I replied "well, pretty good." I admit that wasn't a great answer, but the judge rebutted in a raised voice "Tell me what pretty good means." I said I have only had one other moving violation, and it was about 5 years ago. "How do you plead?" I could see that he was looking at the speeding ticket, and not the expired license that I was hoping to get dismissed. I pleaded guilty to that one. Without hesitation, he sentenced me to the 6 months deferred and pay the going rate for the violation ($150 + court costs), and told me to move down the desk to the clerk for the money. I assumed that following the sentencing for the speeding ticket, we would move to the expired license, so when he sent me away from the bench, I hesitated, and as I opened my mouth to ask him about the second ticket, he cut me off, and with a raised voice, told me to move down again. At that point, I should have spoken up again, but he had already yelled at someone for being timid, and made them go to the back of the line, so I figured (very, very wrongly) that since I had only pleaded and been sentenced for the other ticket, that I could either hang around until the others had gone through and talk to the judge again, or I could go see if the clerk had the ability to dismiss the charge upon presenting the renewed license. Anyway, the judge wasn't interested in allowing me to remain at the bench, as he immediately called the next victim as I tried to speak. So as the other victims were taking their turn, I popped in to the clerk's office to see if she had any ability to drop the expired license ticket. She read the copy of the law that I brought for reference, and she said I should just go back in and talk about it with the judge after everyone has had their turn, since I didn't get asked to enter a plea on that one. I did so. After the last person had been sentenced, I politely asked the judge if I could visit with him about the other ticket. He agreed, but seemed perturbed. I told him that I had pleaded guilty to the speeding ticket, but did not get asked to enter a plea for the other ticket, and would like to see about getting it dismissed per 47-6-303 of the traffic code. He said in an even louder tone than before, "why didn't you show the renewed license when you were up here?" I attempted to explain to him that I was only asked to plead on one charge, and when I stayed at the bench for the other, he wouldn't allow me to speak. I didn't get more than three or four words out, when he cut me off and said "how am I supposed to know you have a renewed license if you don't show it to me," in yet a louder tone. I tried to politely apologize for not taking a stand up there, admitted that I'm not really sure how it was all supposed to work. So he yelled some more stuff that I can't even remember because I was so put off. After he finished, I very, very calmly asked if I could ask one last question. He nodded. I began to ask, if my plea of guilty to the speeding ticket meant that a plea of guilty was entered for the other ticket as well. Before I could finish that question, he was already cutting me off loudly. I continued to attempt to finish the question as he began to shout. I asked him, again very calmly, if I could get the question out and the floor was his. He became louder, as he told me that it's all over, and there is nothing I could do about it at this point. Again I asked if I could finish the question, purely for the sake of clarity, and for my own education. He kept raising his voice and continued to try to cut me off. At this point, I knew beyond the shadow of a doubt, that my fate was sealed on the matter, and I told him, in a very loud voice to stop. I said "listen here, buddy, court is over with. You've made it abundantly clear that there's nothing I can do. I simply wanted to ask you a question, man to man, so that I don't make the same mistakes in the future. You told me I could speak with you one the matter, but you won't let me speak. You aren't on the bench anymore, and you don't get to yell at me anymore." He replied, "Yeah, I'm done. I'm not saying another word." After a few moments of silence, we both calmed down a bit. I apologized for raising my voice. He said he's over it. I extended my hand for a shake, and he refused it. I held it out there and gestured that I wanted to shake. He said we don't need to shake on anything. I said okay, and that was the end of it.

So, even though I'm entitled to have the expired license ticked dismissed, and even though I didn't get asked, in court, to enter a plea, a plea of guilty was entered and it cost $240.

I should have manned up, and stayed at the bench to make sure we handled the ticket at that time. I'll admit that I was intimidated by both the arrogant nature of the judge, and by the room full of people, and didn't stand my ground. Again, having not entered an official plea for the ticket in question, I rather wrongly assumed I could still address it later on. That one is on me, but the judge didn't make it easy to speak up.

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-Andrew-
 
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I told him, in a very loud voice to stop. I said "listen here, buddy, court is over with. You've made it abundantly clear that there's nothing I can do. I simply wanted to ask you a question, man to man, so that I don't make the same mistakes in the future. You told me I could speak with you one the matter, but you won't let me speak. You aren't on the bench anymore, and you don't get to yell at me anymore."

Yeah, that's one thing you don't do in a judge's courtroom. Ever. You're damn lucky he didn't hold you in contempt and throw you in jail for a little while.
 
Yeah, that's one thing you don't do in a judge's courtroom. Ever. You're damn lucky he didn't hold you in contempt and throw you in jail for a little while.

Haha, you may be right. By the time I finally showed my anger, court was adjourned, and he was off the bench. It's water under the bridge now, and I'm aware of my mistakes.
 
Haha.

All those posts saying you'd get off ^^^ up there are pretty funny now.

They want MONEY. They don't care how they get it.

And they don't want you bothering them. Way too many tickets to handle all that "due process" silliness. Just pay on the website with a credit card like all the good lemmings.

Sorry you got shafted. You über-criminal you. LOL

Same deal as Nick fighting his here in CO in another thread a while back. We warned him. Heh.

I mailed mine in. Much less of a waste of time and no court fees.

I bet the Judge gets re-elected, too.

Oh well. You learned the most important lesson of all in our legal system. You're entitled to all the "Justice" you can afford to buy.
 
I'd appeal the shyte out of that. I hope, sincerely that there was another person present for this exchange. If so, you need to get to them right away and have them sign a witness statement.

Next thing I would do is lodge a formal complaint with the district his court is in. I actually did this with one of my arrests and dismissals. The atty I used wanted to let it go because we got a dismissal on the charge but I said no, I'm going to write a complaint. Well it took more than a year, but the judge was censured for this and two other complaints about unprofessional behavior. Make sure you emphasize that the judge said 'It's over' several times. There is absolutely nothing he can do anymore on your charges.
 
I mailed mine in. Much less of a waste of time and no court fees.

Wish that was always an option. SWMBO earned a speeding ticked in the city of Atlanta a couple of years ago. Was puzzled that there wasn't a "mail it in" option on the ticket. Called to ask.

The answer was that in the City of Atlanta, you must appear at traffic court. There is no other option.

Aah. The City of Atlanta. Bastion of efficiency.

(On the other hand, the requirement to actually show up at traffic court might be a better deterrent or more effective punishment than the fine itself. According to SWMBO, the collection of people at traffic court was interesting to say the least.)
 
Wish that was always an option. SWMBO earned a speeding ticked in the city of Atlanta a couple of years ago. Was puzzled that there wasn't a "mail it in" option on the ticket. Called to ask.

The answer was that in the City of Atlanta, you must appear at traffic court. There is no other option.

Aah. The City of Atlanta. Bastion of efficiency.

(On the other hand, the requirement to actually show up at traffic court might be a better deterrent or more effective punishment than the fine itself. According to SWMBO, the collection of people at traffic court was interesting to say the least.)


Wow. Welcome back to the 80s. Ha.

The deputy here was so excited to tell me that there was a new website to pay on, and the instructions were on the back of the fancy ticket printed from a printer and laptop in his car.

Exciting stuff out here in the boonies I guess. Laptops and printers. Heh.
 
Wow. Welcome back to the 80s. Ha.

The deputy here was so excited to tell me that there was a new website to pay on, and the instructions were on the back of the fancy ticket printed from a printer and laptop in his car.

Exciting stuff out here in the boonies I guess. Laptops and printers. Heh.

For an extra fee of course. ;)
 
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