Juan Browne - blancolirio

Ryan F. said:
I have mixed feelings here - familiar with Juan Brown, Captain Steeeve and Hoover (Pilot Debrief.)

Sure, there's something a bit off-putting about "analysis" springing up within a day or hours of an accident. Has the feel of capitalizing on the misfortune of others. Also, at least with "Hoover" I keep finding errors in his reporting that seem to be consistent with a different aviation background, military flying that is, vs. GA, bizav or airline accidents. I'm also a little uncomfortable with the click-bait style terminology he uses in his video titles and analyses, "heart-breaking," "tragic," "terrible mistakes the pilot made," etc. To me, it's extremely unprofessional, but that's just my personal sensitivity.

On the other hand, I have to admit I have watched - trying to make sense of the Amazon Prime crash, Captain Steve had quite a bit of experience with the accident aircraft and offered commentary that, to me at least, was insightful, and I do feel he's respectful, overall to the crews/passengers/accident victims involved. So I'm not sure it's fair to point a finger at those who are trying to add color and meaning if we're sitting in front of our computers and TVs and taking part in it all.

It's a symptom of society more than anything else. We're hungry for content that feeds our curiosity and these guys do that for us. We can always "vote with our feet."

I would generally prefer a more sensitive and professional approach rather than sensationalized.
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I've gotten the impression that YouTube provides AI-generated titles and thumbnails and that not many YouTubers take the time to proofread or edit them.

That would explain an apparently undamaged airliner I recently saw with only one wing sitting at a gate. :rofl:
 
Palmpilot said:
I've gotten the impression that YouTube provides AI-generated titles and thumbnails and that not many YouTubers take the time to proofread or edit them.

That would explain an apparently undamaged airliner I recently saw with only one wing sitting at a gate. :rofl:
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YouTube does not provide either of those things, the author chooses their own if they don't want to use the filename as a title or one of the three random video frames as a thumbnail.
 
Ryan F. said:
Yes. It is pretty clear to me that "Hoover" has very limited experience with GA, but he comments on it quite a bit.
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I used to think he was one of the better ones, but he may be one of the worst. He doesn't know what he's talking about, but loves the drama.

Pilot's Deadly Mistake Was Worse Than We Thought!
Pilot's Proposal Flight Gets Fiance Killed!
The Pilot Mistakes That Caused NASCAR's Deadliest Plane Crash!
Pilot Ignores Warnings... Gets Both Daughters Killed!
 
Palmpilot said:
I've gotten the impression that YouTube provides AI-generated titles and thumbnails and that not many YouTubers take the time to proofread or edit them.

That would explain an apparently undamaged airliner I recently saw with only one wing sitting at a gate. :rofl:
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I don’t think YouTube provides them directly, but there is definitely a formula for thumbnails to get pushed higher in the feed algorithm. The big, contrasting text, the action shot, even the confused look on the commenter’s face.

And, of course there are third-party AI generators for this nowadays, which is where the real crap begins.
 
Ryan F. said:
I would generally prefer a more sensitive and professional approach rather than sensationalized.
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You mean tone-policing? If so, hard pass for me dawg.

ateamer said:
I’ve seen some videos and heard podcasts by military pilots discussing small single-engine crashes. Sometimes they’d just be better off not commenting.
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what's military got to do with it? You mean military pilots who don't fly piston? Do you presume they don't, definitionally? Do you extend the same presumptive scrutiny onto blancolirio for being an "airline guy" running his mouth about single engine piston? "oh but he flies piston on his time off". Ok, so do I, and a bunch of mil folks on here. Now what?

This appeal to authority reflex is a bigger problem than given credit, I don't know when everybody became so censorious.

"Hoover" whoever isn't the totality of military pilots in the recreational piston space. I don't watch him, so I don't know if he's ever commited the imprudence of representing himself as the licensed speaker for all military background pilots. He'd be a clown for saying something like that, and wrong about that too of course, but I'm not my brother's keeper anyhow.

Back to the topic at hand. For a medium so reliant on engagement, what's with the overrepresentation of the "shut up" clamor?
 
dmspilot said:
Hoover definitely doesn't, he's said some weird things, like students are supposed to sit in the right seat.
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Exactly. And many more examples, to be honest. I'm not generalizing all military pilots, but I can say with a fair amount of conviction this guy has very little real-world experience with GA.
 
So I had to look up who the guy was, and watching a few videos just now I think I got the jist of it. It appears at superficial glance (not watching that whole library of "valuetainment" chaff) he's appropriating mannerisms and nomenclature of the usaf fighter debrief framework aka "DFP" (Desired Focus Points).Yeah, that's goofy af, but it seeks to dazzle the layperson.

He's not the first clownshoe to monetize .mil mannerism for civilian consumption. It's not that you technically can't apply such a framework to describe a spam can accident. It's that, as correctly highlighted upthread, if the inputs are garbage, the framework selection is moot. I think that's where the complaint comes in, and as far as I can tell that's a valid spear.
 
dmspilot said:
YouTube does not provide either of those things, the author chooses their own if they don't want to use the filename as a title or one of the three random video frames as a thumbnail.
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I don't remember where I heard it. It's possible I misinterpreted or misunderstood whoever it was.
 
hindsight2020 said:
"Hoover" whoever isn't the totality of military pilots in the recreational piston space. I don't watch him, so I don't know if he's ever commited the imprudence of representing himself as the licensed speaker for all military background pilots. He'd be a clown for saying something like that, and wrong about that too of course, but I'm not my brother's keeper anyhow.
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I've watched him occasionally, and while I was aware that he is former military, my recollection is that he doesn't often bring it up.
 
Palmpilot said:
I've watched him occasionally, and while I was aware that he is former military, my recollection is that he doesn't often bring it up.
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For better or worse, I think it’s impossible to watch one of his videos without knowing.

I generally enjoy his videos. I do not enjoy his (IMO) excessive use of the term “heart breaking”.
 
hindsight2020 said:
You mean tone-policing? If so, hard pass for me dawg.


what's military got to do with it? You mean military pilots who don't fly piston? Do you presume they don't, definitionally? Do you extend the same presumptive scrutiny onto blancolirio for being an "airline guy" running his mouth about single engine piston? "oh but he flies piston on his time off". Ok, so do I, and a bunch of mil folks on here. Now what?

This appeal to authority reflex is a bigger problem than given credit, I don't know when everybody became so censorious.

"Hoover" whoever isn't the totality of military pilots in the recreational piston space. I don't watch him, so I don't know if he's ever commited the imprudence of representing himself as the licensed speaker for all military background pilots. He'd be a clown for saying something like that, and wrong about that too of course, but I'm not my brother's keeper anyhow.

Back to the topic at hand. For a medium so reliant on engagement, what's with the overrepresentation of the "shut up" clamor?
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I don’t think he was advocating for “tone policing”. I read it as sharing his preference for how content is presented.

Also no one said all military pilots were clueless. Shirley, you can’t be that sensitive. lol
 
Doc Holliday said:
It’s all about subscribers and clicks.

It’s nothing more than entertainment.
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Don't really agree, think it's more about safety and education. Personally I think he provides a valuable commentary and with 29,000 hrs I am still always learning something. Juan does a very good job of analyzing accidents and incidents. If he is making money from his work in research and putting together videos, tis just capitalism, right, and anyone else can compete.
 
dmspilot said:
YouTube does not provide either of those things, the author chooses their own if they don't want to use the filename as a title or one of the three random video frames as a thumbnail.
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sidetrack: actually the author can choose their own thumbnails. Well, at least on the youtube videos I've published for my Church, I know that if I don't upload my own thumbnail youtube will come up with something.

(but I'm hardly a youtube wizard).
 
SixPapaCharlie said:
I do not believe anyone that gets frequently mentioned in the aviation creator space is doing it for reasons other than money and some level of recognition as the primary driver. Even as a much smaller channel, I am guilty of this as well albeit not as much these days but I'd be lying if I said seeing my face in an ad doesn't feel good or having a kid come up to me and have me take a photo with them.
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I get the appeal of recognition. Since I'm behind the camera most of the time, I'm not as recognizable as you, but I do love it when I introduce myself as Jack and someone asks, "Jack Fleetwood?" We want our work to be recognized. As you've seen, anytime I'm at an aviation event, I'm wearing my shirt with my logo and name on it and my plane has my name on it.

On the other hand, I'm not sure I want the level of fame some YouTubers get. I was talking to Emma at Oshkosh and three guys (of course it was guys!) stopped by to tell her how much they love her work. I like to stay off the camera and somewhat invisible!

And that kid wanting a photo with you was me!
 
Lowflynjack said:
I get the appeal of recognition. Since I'm behind the camera most of the time, I'm not as recognizable as you, but I do love it when I introduce myself as Jack and someone asks, "Jack Fleetwood?" We want our work to be recognized. As you've seen, anytime I'm at an aviation event, I'm wearing my shirt with my logo and name on it and my plane has my name on it.

On the other hand, I'm not sure I want the level of fame some YouTubers get. I was talking to Emma at Oshkosh and three guys (of course it was guys!) stopped by to tell her how much they love her work. I like to stay off the camera and somewhat invisible!

And that kid wanting a photo with you was me!
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Thanks for responding. I tried to delete a photo I attached to my post to apparently I deleted the entire post
 
They are made so pilots and lookie loos can gawk while rationalizing their desire to gawk as "education". "Learning what not to do" and "what mistakes not to make" are common terms used by these folks. Without these important videos and their "education" common pilots just do not know about these important topics or how to handle them. Without these videos pilots would be flying into thunderstorms and stalling in the traffic pattern on almost every flight. The only thing keeping them from doing so is the "education" gleaned from these important videos.
 
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