It is September 11 in Afghanistan.

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AuntPeggy

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From my son...

Just turned 9/11 in Afghanistan. The men who planned the murder of thousands of Americans are mostly dead. Their senior leadership is mostly gone, and replacements gone too. We are pulling out but....

Never forget the men and women who went to work at the Pentagon, or the Trade Towers, or those who boarded a flight that took their fate into their own hands and buried the 3rd airliner in a field. Men, women and heroes...all one and the same.

Don't forget....
 
Many thanks and much respect to them all! But...the events of Sept. 11 in the USA occurred on Sept. 12 in Afghanistan. So it's still a day early.
 
Well, regardless, not forgotten. Never will be. Thank you for the reminder.
 
Can we try to keep Peggy's tribute and Memorial thread on topic and not turn it into a party bashing political thread? We value the service and sacrifice of all Americans, do we not?

Peggy, tell your son his service is appreciated.
 
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TangoWhiskey said:
Can we try to keep Peggy's tribute and Memorial thread on topic and not turn it into a party bashing political thread? We value the service and sacrifice of all Americas, do we not?

Peggy, tell your son his service is appreciated.
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I agree with you.
 
Please thank him for his service. We should have been out of there long ago.
 
jFlight said:
Many thanks and much respect to them all! But...the events of Sept. 11 in the USA occurred on Sept. 12 in Afghanistan. So it's still a day early.
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Actually, Afghan is 8 1/2 hours ahead of EDT, so it was the afternoon of Sept. 11.
 
Anymouse said:
Actually, Afghan is 8 1/2 hours ahead of EDT, so it was the afternoon of Sept. 11.
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actually - midnight eastern is 0830 in Afghanistan . . .

it is presently 0854 there

it is not afternoon there until 0330EDT . . .

how about everyone who posted something political or in response to something political - please delete it. This is not the thread for it.
 
comanchepilot said:
actually - midnight eastern is 0830 in Afghanistan . . .

it is presently 0854 there

it is not afternoon there until 0330EDT . . .

how about everyone who posted something political or in response to something political - please delete it. This is not the thread for it.
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Midnight eastern is indeed 0830 in Afghanistan. So add 8 hours and 46 minutes to both and you get 08:46 EDT. The time the first plane hit. Add that same amount of time to 08:30, you get 17:16 in Afghanistan.

Let's just call it late afternoon.
 
denverpilot said:
It was the fourth airliner that hit the field, Peg.

Everyone always forgets about American 77 that went into the Pentagon.

American 11: WTC North Tower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_11

United 175: WTC South Tower
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_175

American 77: Pentagon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77

United 93: Shanksville, PA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93
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I know. It didn't seem important enough to correct his message. He doesn't forget about the Pentagon and I don't either.
 
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TangoWhiskey said:
Can we try to keep Peggy's tribute and Memorial thread on topic and not turn it into a party bashing political thread? We value the service and sacrifice of all Americans, do we not?

Peggy, tell your son his service is appreciated.
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Thanks. I'll make sure to tell him.
 
He sent this photo.
 

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Peggy we're appreciative of your Son's service to us and our country.
 
TangoWhiskey said:
Can we try to keep Peggy's tribute and Memorial thread on topic and not turn it into a party bashing political thread? We value the service and sacrifice of all Americans, do we not?

Peggy, tell your son his service is appreciated.
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Well said Troy.

Thanks to all who have served in the gulf and Afghanistan. Peggy is your son still there or has he returned to the states? Thank him for his service either way and if still deployed let him know we pray to keep him and all service men and women out of harms way.
 
AdamZ said:
Well said Troy.

Thanks to all who have served in the gulf and Afghanistan. Peggy is your son still there or has he returned to the states? Thank him for his service either way and if still deployed let him know we pray to keep him and all service men and women out of harms way.
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Thanks.

He will return after Christmas.
 
AuntPeggy said:
Thanks.

He will return after Christmas.
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Thank goodness.

My son was inspired by the events of September 11th to pursue a career in the military. He graduates from the University of Iowa and commissions as a 2nd Lt. in the U.S. Army in December.

Thanks to Obama, eleven years and thousands of lives later he may get his chance to avenge the attack (at least in his mind), since we are still in that mother ****ing, stupid ass war -- and he has requested deployment.

Maybe by then Obama will have devised a strategy, or at least thought about implementing one of the plans that contains a kernel of hope for a military victory? :rolleyes:

I will honor those who died on 9/11 by opposing our current crop of criminally incompetent political leaders in November. And don't chastise me for making this political. The fact that we are STILL in Afghanistan, clueless and getting picked off, one by one by our supposed ALLIES, makes this very political -- and soon to be very personal.

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Very true and honest thoughts. I hope your son has a safe day of remembrance over there. On a similar note, 9/11 had particular meaning for me as well last year; I was flying from the USS Carl Vinson that day, the same ship that Osama Bin Laden's body had recently been brought to for burial, and a decade after his attacks. Like many folks, I think September 11th, 2001 made up my mind that I wanted to join the service, and pretty much shaped the last decade of my life, so it was an interesting hand of fate to be dealt.
 
Jay Honeck said:
Thank goodness.

My son was inspired by the events of September 11th to pursue a career in the military. He graduates from the University of Iowa and commissions as a 2nd Lt. in the U.S. Army in December.

Thanks to Obama, eleven years and thousands of lives later he may get his chance to avenge the attack (at least in his mind), since we are still in that mother ****ing, stupid ass war -- and he has requested deployment.

Maybe by then Obama will have devised a strategy, or at least thought about implementing one of the plans that contains a kernel of hope for a military victory? :rolleyes:

I will honor those who died on 9/11 by opposing our current crop of criminally incompetent political leaders in November. And don't chastise me for making this political. The fact that we are STILL in Afghanistan, clueless and getting picked off, one by one by our supposed ALLIES, makes this very political -- and soon to be very personal.

Sent from my Nexus 7
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I cannot fault you for that. I have my own personal beliefs that are in alignment with yours, but remember this thread is not about our political beliefs but about the people that got us to this point. I know you feel the same.
 
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Please extend my thanks and appreciation to your son. And the same goes to you for raising what I am sure is fine person. :yes:
 
It would be sad to see Peggy's thread and message from her son moved to the Spin Zone so it would be nice if people removed their political comments. Yes, they are political comments.
 
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Very true and honest thoughts. I hope your son has a safe day of remembrance over there. On a similar note, 9/11 had particular meaning for me as well last year; I was flying from the USS Carl Vinson that day, the same ship that Osama Bin Laden's body had recently been brought to for burial, and a decade after his attacks. Like many folks, I think September 11th, 2001 made up my mind that I wanted to join the service, and pretty much shaped the last decade of my life, so it was an interesting hand of fate to be dealt.
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Thanks for your service also.

Last time I tangled with you guys was over Norfolk in my Tiger. They were still flying F-14's at the time. Grumman against Grumman. :D
 
denverpilot said:
It was the fourth airliner that hit the field, Peg.

Everyone always forgets about American 77 that went into the Pentagon.
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I think he just forgot to count the second plane into the towers, he counted them as one event.

I thank him for his service, and wish him a safe trip home.
 
Peggy, I hope your son stays safe and returns soon.

Out of our five children, two enlisted in the Marines and one in the Navy. None ended up deployed to the sand box - though one was in Japan when the tsunami hit. I can only imagine how it is for you. Our prayers are with your son and all of our troops in harm's way.
 
DaleB said:
Peggy, I hope your son stays safe and returns soon.

Out of our five children, two enlisted in the Marines and one in the Navy. None ended up deployed to the sand box - though one was in Japan when the tsunami hit. I can only imagine how it is for you. Our prayers are with your son and all of our troops in harm's way.
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:thumbsup:

I'll second all the well wishes for your son. And for all of you who have served or are serving, thank you.
 
Just to keep the record straight, my son is in Afghanistan as a civilian. He is, however, in the Air Force reserves. He joined during the first week of the first Gulf War (Kuwait).

I thank you all for your good wishes. Even though he doesn't carry a gun, he walks through dangerous territory every day. I worry every day.
 
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I hate that you have to point out that distinction.

I am amazed at how many people thank me for my service when I tell them I go to A-stan a lot, but when I tell them I'm a civilian contractor, suddenly they don't seem so appreciative. I am former military, so it's not like I never served, but a lot of people still have a disdain for civilian contractors.
 
darrell said:
I hate that you have to point out that distinction.

I am amazed at how many people thank me for my service when I tell them I go to A-stan a lot, but when I tell them I'm a civilian contractor, suddenly they don't seem so appreciative. I am former military, so it's not like I never served, but a lot of people still have a disdain for civilian contractors.
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I don't see any distinction. Thank you for your military, and contractor service. The only difference is that you may make a few bucks more as a contractor. Big deal. You are still putting your LIFE on the line.

THANK YOU.

Hey, mercenaries are people too. :D

"Cry Havoc! And let slip the Dogs of War."

William Shakespeare and Christopher Walken (Frederick Forsythe)
 
I have zero issues with mercs. I went in the Army Infantry because it was a job, not because of medals and recognition.
 
darrell said:
I hate that you have to point out that distinction.

I am amazed at how many people thank me for my service when I tell them I go to A-stan a lot, but when I tell them I'm a civilian contractor, suddenly they don't seem so appreciative. I am former military, so it's not like I never served, but a lot of people still have a disdain for civilian contractors.
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Well, I guess people figure if you're in the military you and in a war zone because you HAVE to be there, as a civilian it is assumed that you WANT to be there. Right or wrong there is a perceived difference in many people's minds. I have great respect for present and past military service, personally I think going as a civilian might not be high on my to-do list. Either way it takes more guts than I possess. ;)
 
I'm appreciative of both, but that is definitely the distinction... As a civilian, you can catch a flight home anytime you choose.

You are probably also being compensated 20-100% more per year than the typical military serviceman or servicewoman, unless you really didn't manage your career very well. ;) (Maybe. Heh.)

So I wouldn't call it disdain. I'd call it, "Whatever. It's your call to be there. You can quit anytime."

Like I said, I'm glad someone is willing to do it.

No offense, but it's a choice to take a job in a place where risks are higher. Rewards then should also be greater. If they're not, you can bail.
 
denverpilot said:
I'm appreciative of both, but that is definitely the distinction... As a civilian, you can catch a flight home anytime you choose.

You are probably also being compensated 20-100% more per year than the typical military serviceman or servicewoman, unless you really didn't manage your career very well. ;) (Maybe. Heh.)

So I wouldn't call it disdain. I'd call it, "Whatever. It's your call to be there. You can quit anytime."

Like I said, I'm glad someone is willing to do it.

No offense, but it's a choice to take a job in a place where risks are higher. Rewards then should also be greater. If they're not, you can bail.
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I'm not sure even as a civi you have the right to walk out. Generally, you do commit for a fixed period of time.
And yeah, you may be there by choice but many contractors are filling a role our military used to do. The military are using them the same as regular businesses use contractors. Either to cut down on the costs|pay or to bring in a specialty they can't or won't train for.
 
silver-eagle said:
I'm not sure even as a civi you have the right to walk out. Generally, you do commit for a fixed period of time.
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Maximum consequences would be a warm and dry jail cell back home, versus the possibility of a firing squad.

Still not the same. ;)
 
denverpilot said:
Maximum consequences would be a warm and dry jail cell back home, versus the possibility of a firing squad.

Still not the same. ;)
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You could not be jailed for breach of an employment contract. This makes your point stronger.

And we don't shoot deserters, we make them politicians. ;)

You are welcome. :D
 
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denverpilot said:
Maximum consequences would be a warm and dry jail cell back home, versus the possibility of a firing squad.

Still not the same. ;)
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Pardon me, your casual banter is somewhat offensive to the worried mother of an honorable, courageous, and patriotic young man.
 
AuntPeggy said:
Pardon me, your casual banter is somewhat offensive to the worried mother of an honorable, courageous, and patriotic young man.
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Aunt Peggy, I don't think Denver Pilot is equating your son with a mercenary. This thread unfortunately got off track.
 
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