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Read this morning….knew it was being considered, didn’t know it was really happening…on Seeking Alpha, a stock news source:

“The Jeppesen auction has reached its second round of bids. In late January, RTX (RTX) and Honeywell International (HON) were among those reported to be evaluating the unit. Blackstone (BX), Advent, Carlyle Group (CG), Warburg Pincus, Veritas Capital, and Thoma Bravo were also said to be interested“

This will be the 3rd (?) of the company, maybe 4th? In the last 20 years? Shame because it’s one of the few segments of Boeing that’s making lots of money. The expected $7B sale isn’t even a blip on the overall losses.
 
Huh, isn't Honeywell another company that's also spinning off it's aerospace biz? Slightly surprised they'd be looking for a decent sized big purchase prior to that.
 
Does the sale include Foreflight?
 
Thought Jepp & Foreflight were owned by Boeing
 
I was happy when Boeing decided not to buy my company (though I don't know if Textron was any better).
 
Chris Mixon said:
Does the sale include Foreflight?
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Probably, because Boeing created a new company named Boeing Global Services, and that's where Jeppesen, which "owns" Foreflight, belong. There's also a maintenance division in BGS. So the question - are they selling all of BGS or just the Jepp part? I'm betting either Raytheon or Honeywell will be the winners due to the various US-required aspects of the business. Very interesting that it takes a lot of digging to find any specific reference to Foreflight on the Boeing website.

Services

www.boeing.com www.boeing.com

General Aviation

ww2.jeppesen.com ww2.jeppesen.com

www.ainonline.com

Jefferies Projects $8 billlion Haul if Boeing Sells Jeppesen and ForeFlight | AIN

A sale of peripheral assets could net up to $12 billion for the aerospace and defense group
www.ainonline.com www.ainonline.com
 
Roller said:
Thought Jepp & Foreflight were owned by Boeing
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Yes. And Boeing is looking at selling at least one.

They're either hard up for short term cash. Or want to focus more on the aircraft product.
 
Racerx said:
Yes. And Boeing is looking at selling at least one.

They're either hard up for short term cash. Or want to focus more on the aircraft product.
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Interesting

Seeing the the integration of some FF features into jeppro, wonder how it’ll work

Only edge jep had was the taxi diagrams
 
Racerx said:
Yes. And Boeing is looking at selling at least one.

They're either hard up for short term cash. Or want to focus more on the aircraft product.
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No, Boeing is not looking to sell Jepp or Foreflight or single product. The entire division - Boeing Global Services is on the shopping block.

By the way, the Santa Claus chart isn't the only one - check out the bottom of the page:

About Us

ww2.jeppesen.com ww2.jeppesen.com
 
murphey said:
Probably, because Boeing created a new company named Boeing Global Services, and that's where Jeppesen, which "owns" Foreflight, belong. There's also a maintenance division in BGS. So the question - are they selling all of BGS or just the Jepp part? I'm betting either Raytheon or Honeywell will be the winners due to the various US-required aspects of the business. Very interesting that it takes a lot of digging to find any specific reference to Foreflight on the Boeing website.

Services

www.boeing.com www.boeing.com

General Aviation

ww2.jeppesen.com ww2.jeppesen.com

www.ainonline.com

Jefferies Projects $8 billlion Haul if Boeing Sells Jeppesen and ForeFlight | AIN

A sale of peripheral assets could net up to $12 billion for the aerospace and defense group
www.ainonline.com www.ainonline.com
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Actually Jepp and FF belong as an independent companies like they once were.
 
Chris Mixon said:
Does the sale include Foreflight?
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Not from what I have heard. While ForeFlight came to be purchased by Boeing via their relationship with Jeppesen, they were not then nor are they now part of Jeppesen.

murphey said:
No, Boeing is not looking to sell Jepp or Foreflight or single product. The entire division - Boeing Global Services is on the shopping block.
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That is not what I had heard...
 
Clip4 said:
Actually Jepp and FF belong as an independent companies like they once were.
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They have independent websites but both are inside “Boeing Global Services”. That’s what is being shopped, the entire BGS.

Boeing Corp. consists of
Boeing Commercial Airplanes
Boeing integrated Space, Defense & Security. ( or whatever name it is now, that’s what it was when I worked there)
Boeing Global Services

I’ve worked at Jeppesen, too. I’ll see Mark (retired) and a number of current Jeppesen people next weekend at the Young Eagle rally. Will report the latest rumors.

There’s a fourth, but it’s internal only, handles infrastructure services like hr, payroll, real estate, networks, etc.
 
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I must be the only person that doesn’t like Jepp charts.
 
murphey said:
They have independent websites but both are inside “Boeing Global Services”. That’s what is being shopped, the entire BGS.

Boeing Corp. consists of
Boeing Commercial Airplanes
Boeing integrated Space, Defense & Security. ( or whatever name it is now, that’s what it was when I worked there)
Boeing Global Services

I’ve worked at Jeppesen, too. I’ll see Mark (retired) and a number of current Jeppesen people next weekend at the Young Eagle rally. Will report the latest rumors.

There’s a fourth, but it’s internal only, handles infrastructure services like hr, payroll, real estate, networks, etc.
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Jepp was a bettter company when it was owned and operated by Jepp.
 
Martin Pauly said:
I do pay the premium, because I believe the Jeppesen charts are a superior product (compared with the government charts):

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I've been using Jepps for almost 40 years professionally because the companies that I've worked for bought Jepps. During all that time for my private flying I've used NOS. I do that because, to me, the difference in the products are not worth the cost. Since I don't fly International, except at work, the free govenment charts work just fine.
 
AvNavCom said:
I have no doubt that the new owners will keep prices steady and will do nothing to screw up a successful business.
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If they're acquired by an equity firm, the purpose is to suck every. bit of money out of it as possible and leave the smoking remnants broken and bleeding alongside the road.
 
In Ireland, I walked in to the Irish Aviation Administration building, and asked to buy a chart of Ireland.

"They do not exist, Jeppesen makes all our charts".

That is a strange concept for me, but for a relatively small country, a simple solution to a complex problem.
 
Skymac said:
I must be the only person that doesn’t like Jepp charts.
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I'm not entirely comfortable with them sometimes, and I don't think they're worth the money for my personal flying.

That said, I can tell you that it seems like every time there's a question about something on a government approach chart, someone pops in with the Jepp chart to answer the question. There are certain things that can seem ambiguous on the government chart that are clearly listed on the Jepp chart. So, there is some value there.

The thing I dislike the most about Jepp is their airport diagrams, which are tiny. Government ones are much easier to read.
 
MauleSkinner said:
Full page is tiny?
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The airport depiction itself is not full page, though, and the government one is.

For example - Jepp on left, Gov't on right:

Jepp_KSLE_full_airport_diagram.jpgJepp_KSLE_FAA_airport_chart.jpg

When I'm taxiing, I much prefer the NACO depiction with the larger diagram and the taxiway identifiers on the taxiway.

When departing, Jepp is nice because they include the info you need rather than burying it elsewhere, but I don't need that when landing. Jepp obviously includes a ton of information, but I kinda wish they still had the bigger depiction, even if it was on a separate page.
 
Your KSLE Jepp is 10 years old, current one below. Generally, I find Jepp has a much better airport layout than NOS. For small airports NOS normally only has a small square showing the airport layout, not so with Jepp. I have been using Jepp for over 30 years and have no plans to change.
 

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MauleSkinner said:
Lots of them are.
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...yet, they still are smaller than NACO.
Plano Pilot said:
Your KSLE Jepp is 10 years old, current one below. Generally, I find Jepp has a much better airport layout than NOS. For small airports NOS normally only has a small square showing the airport layout, not so with Jepp. I have been using Jepp for over 30 years and have no plans to change.
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...and it's still not as big.

I'm not trying to convince anyone not to use them. They're great if someone's paying the bill for you, or you fly internationally, or you ever see something on a NACO chart that confuses you. I'm just airing my biggest gripe with them.

BTW, ForeFlight has done a great job of creating airport diagrams for airport that don't have an FAA/NACO diagram.
 
murphey said:
They have independent websites but both are inside “Boeing Global Services”. That’s what is being shopped, the entire BGS.

Boeing Corp. consists of
Boeing Commercial Airplanes
Boeing integrated Space, Defense & Security. ( or whatever name it is now, that’s what it was when I worked there)
Boeing Global Services

I’ve worked at Jeppesen, too. I’ll see Mark (retired) and a number of current Jeppesen people next weekend at the Young Eagle rally. Will report the latest rumors.

There’s a fourth, but it’s internal only, handles infrastructure services like hr, payroll, real estate, networks, etc.
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What about BAT? :cool:
 
flyingcheesehead said:
...yet, they still are smaller than NACO.
...and it's still not as big.
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If only there was a way to zoom these diagrams to my liking on the iPad... ;)

And @Plano Pilot made another important point which is worth emphasizing: Jeppesen has an airport diagram for each airport, while the government charts only have those for the larger airports.

- Martin
 
Wishing the Jep airport charts showed the runway width. Otherwise huge fan of their approach plates.
 
Another advantage Jepp held over NACO was runway lighting information being on the same page, however NACO is slowly catching up to that as they add that information to their airport diagrams.
 
Using Jepp pro on an efb. The geo referenced charts puts you on a moving taxi chart display. Not sure if fore flight and nos charts do that or not.
 
Mikey52 said:
Using Jepp pro on an efb. The geo referenced charts puts you on a moving taxi chart display. Not sure if fore flight and nos charts do that or not.
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If you have a Jepp subscription, ForeFlight will put you on the Jepp taxi diagram. If you don't have a Jepp subscription, they'll put you on a government or ForeFlight taxi diagram.
 
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