Issue with checkride

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  1. Mike1238

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    Update: Retook check ride with different examiner and passed
     
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    You have every right to complain. I would suggest writing down everything as not to forget anything, stay factual.

    Write a formal complaint and mail to your local FSDO. Then follow up with a call.
     
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    Send a copy to the DOT and/or FAA inspectors general offices. Send all mail certified, return receipt if you feel like spending the extra money, you can track certified now. Present your letter not as a complaint. "I am bringing to your attention behavior that reflects badly on the FAA and DOT. It is my understanding that the FAA can resolve this fairly quickly through administrative action. The following facts are relevant: "
     
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    Imagine if you made it to the flight :eek::eek::eek:
     
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    Sounds to me (from your side of the story only) that you have a legitimate complaint. Contact the FSDO as suggested.
     
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    Did you pass??
     
  7. Mike1238

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    No I did not
     
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    LOL Maybe I’m the only one, but I wouldn’t be offended one bit if a DPE said this kind of stuff to me, I’d actually find it quite amusing because it’s so off the wall. Is it appropriate and professional? Not at all, but I also wouldn’t get bent out of shape over it by any means.
     
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    Problem is a DPE represents the FAA while performing his/her duties. And the FAA demands professional conduct by its designees.

    There is a time and place for everything. This kind of conduct during a FAA check ride is unacceptable.
     
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    Yes and I don’t disagree with that part at all. If this story is true, it is certainly unacceptable.
     
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    If he was truthful about the FAA talking to him about "hate mail" this is probably a good time to let them know of your experience with him. They may already be on to something . . .

    There's nothing wrong with hard questions, but the personal stuff with sexual overtones has no place in a check ride.
     
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    All too often people get away with this crap because no one says anything. Please don't let this miscreant slither away. You are probably not the first to let the feds know about this DPE but hopefully you can and will be the last because they fire him.
     
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    Well thanks for all of your inputs, I promise this is all true and I couldn't make this up if I tried. Definitely time and place for that talk. When you really give your all to something and then fail it's very disappointing. I also feel that for an instrument check ride, we weren't really covering a lot of material as those exam questions were all the exam questions he asked. My school is not assigning me with him for a retest fortunately and as they were not impressed either I'm going to assume they are going to stay away from him.
     
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    Yes, you would be the only one that would be amused to have a grossly unprofessional examiner fail you and tarnish your permanent record after giving him $600 and spending thousands on preparation. Why don't you sign up for a checkride with the guy, then when you fail let us all know how funny it was.
     
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    Don't let that bother you. I didn't pass my first attempt at the IR ride, either. Got too low on a non-precision approach. Failed the ride fair and square. Didn't make that mistake on the re-ride.
     
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    Read my reply again. I didn’t find anything about the fact that he failed, to be amusing.
     
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    I probably would have walked away if he were 3 hours late, but most definitely if those first few comments came in the first few minutes. Right before I started writing my letter to the fsdo I would have put a stop on the check......
     
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    Looks more like an ashole to me.. can you stand a little closer for reference?
     
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    This one is legit...the inbound leg timing is one of the criteria that defines the hold, and you have to know how to make that happen.

    On the other hand, if the “correct” answer required a whiz wheel with crab angle within a degree and included turn radii corrected for wind, I’d say it was excessive.

    The other thing t keep in mind is that the examiner can terminate the oral any time he feels the applicant is unsat...he doesn’t have to go through every element of every task before issuing a disapproval.

    I’m not saying the examiner acted anywhere near properly overall, but if and when you complain to the FAA, make sure you’re not complaining about the few items that may have been accomplished properly.
     
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    My multi-ifr ride was with someone well known for failing people, and supposedly a real hard a.s.
    I found him pleasant, and just thoroughly doing his job.
    But you either knew it or failed, no wishy washy, good enough I guess attitude.
     
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    Get this guy out of the system as fast as you can.
     
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    You need to make a written complaint to the FAA detailing what you reported here.
     
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    How does the somebody being grossly unprofessional tarnish your reputation? A huge stretch. If a guy fails a check ride, that is a fail. People fail, now the guy is unprofessional. Why would anybody take this much abuse and continue a check ride then come to POA for advice. It’s so outrageous as to be unbelievable, much like live streaming in a SWA bathroom.
     
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    Please don't edit old posts like this, removing all relevant material. Now nobody has any idea what this entire thread is about.
     
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    Exactly.

    "I've got a secret and I'm not going to tell anyone!"
     
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    If story is accurate hopefully FAA will reconsider letting him be a DPE.
     
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    There seemed to be a couple of DPEs around here that lost their status for touching female check ride candidates, no word whether or not the candidate failed the check ride first. For my last few years I had a job I would never be in the room with a member of the opposite sex for their protection, and mine - I am pretty good looking, and an amazing conversationalist. I imagine having a third wheel in a check ride and an airplane has to happen eventually or at least permission to record, some FAA equivalent of a body cam.
     
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    So often when someone fails a ride, the story is, ummm, shall we say, embellished...

    Accepting ZERO blame for failing, is tough for me to swallow. I wasn't there, and not saying that there was no fault on the other side as well...but to be such an extremely one sided story makes my spidey senses kick in.
    I listened to a guy rant about an examiner who was so unfair, so evil, and impossible to pass with...next week he passed me without any complaints on my multi-ifr ride. A student who won't even accept 10% of the blame, makes it tough for me to not question the story.
    Sadly we will likely never hear the accused man's side of the story. I terminated someone yesterday, I bet that when she told her story to family and friends last night, I was made out as the most evil person on earth. Of course they don't care about the truth, and will just forever consider me Satan himself.
     
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    So often when someone fails a ride, the story is, ummm, shall we say, embellished...

    ...and sometimes it's not. I've witnessed things I would say are totally made up had I not seen it myself.
     
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    Doesn’t matter to me whether he accepts some responsibility for the bust or not...I’ll assume he didn’t answer everything correctly (and in my prior post I pointed out a couple of areas where his impression of unfairness may have been incorrect). What tells me he probably has valid complaints is the specificity of his statements, but he still needs to go through proper channels for someone to determine whether any action is required.

    Also, it was a different examiner that passed him.
     
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    Yeah, but you're God's gift to pilots. So there's that.
     
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    But how many examiners accept checks? All I've seen require cash up front.
     
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    You forgot humble.
     
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    Thank you for taking the time to respond to my comment. If we only had more sweet encouraging souls on POA we could have peace in our lifetimes. You keep on keeping on ma’am.
     
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    I'm really confused. Am I missing a post up front?
     
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    Yeah, but it was deleted in an update but reconstituted in post #26:

     
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    Ah, got it. Thanks. Not sure where to stand on this. On the OP's story, on face value he has a gripe.
     
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    It always makes me wonder when original post is full of anger and accusations and we all get up in a fuss and the post gets deleted.
     
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    Mine accepted a check. In fact if you failed the oral he said he would only charge you half. I passed and don’t remember giving him a check until it was all said and done.
     
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    That's awesome, I don't think most are like that.
     
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